Indeed...considering the massive amounts of people in the mobs that jump you all the time...I would say its close to 98%...they kill most of the people in Kirkwall if you wana be realistic about it.
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#277
Posté 27 octobre 2011 - 05:07
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Erm, I just watched the DLC on youtube. I think I might have missed something but ... exactly what was the purpose of the scroll and what "harmful things" did it contain:pinched:? I'm a bit confused here :/
#278
Posté 27 octobre 2011 - 08:30
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It was a list of "sleeper cells", Qunari converts in Orlais (or possibly the whole of Thedas) who are currently undercover but available to raise up against their rulers should the Qunari invade and may also be collecting information on behalf of the qunari (so essentially spies).
If you don't go with Tallis after the caves, you only assume this is what it is. If you go with her, then she tells you what is in the scroll but won't hand it over. However, even if you don't have the actual names, you now have concrete evidence of the extent of Qunari infiltration of Thedas.
When you complete the quest, if you go up to the bookcase near the statue that took you there, you will find a journal entry which says that Hawke acted on this information but was met with disbelief and denial. Apparently it is too scary to even contemplate that the Qunari might have a spy network. Based on the behaviour of Prosper and the other nobility I would say that Thedas is doomed. Hawke does their best - it is the rest who are idiots.
If you don't go with Tallis after the caves, you only assume this is what it is. If you go with her, then she tells you what is in the scroll but won't hand it over. However, even if you don't have the actual names, you now have concrete evidence of the extent of Qunari infiltration of Thedas.
When you complete the quest, if you go up to the bookcase near the statue that took you there, you will find a journal entry which says that Hawke acted on this information but was met with disbelief and denial. Apparently it is too scary to even contemplate that the Qunari might have a spy network. Based on the behaviour of Prosper and the other nobility I would say that Thedas is doomed. Hawke does their best - it is the rest who are idiots.
#279
Posté 27 octobre 2011 - 09:45
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I think when Tallis got the Qunari sleeper cell list on her hands then she should have destroyed it. Once she had destroyed it then she could have told Hawke about the list because Hawke would have no incentives to try to take that list from Tallis.
I think it is pretty amazing that Hawke´s companions will not react to that list. A Captain of the Guard would be pretty interested to see that list and find out information about Qunari spies in Kirkwall and in Ferelden. Hawke mage companions would to anything to avoid the Qunari supremacy and even more oppressive measures on mages if the Qunaris would be able to conquer Thedas (or most of it). I think none of Hawke regular companion´s would allow Tallis to leave with that list, except Fenris.
That said it looks pretty stupid when Tallis walks away with that list. One possibility is that the list is a Qunari trick and Tallis doesn´t know that. That would explain why the Qunari leadership wasn´t very concerned about that list. Feeding false information to your enemy is an old trick. It is possible that the Qunari spy network compiled a list of people who were relative significant in their societies and in that list claimed that they were the followers of Qun when they really weren´t.
A list like that could destabilize the enemies of Qun if there would be the "right" people like relatively important military leaders on that list. It would also spread fear on those societies that who can they trust weakening the legitimacy of those societies before the Qunari onslaught.
Then Qunari´s needed a high ranking "defector" who would "steal" that list and offer it to the enemies of Qun. Whether Salit was a true defector or whether that was a Qunari trick, I don´t know. The important thing is that Tallis believes that Salit´s defection is true and she wants to stop Salit. The question is that what if both Salit and Tallis can be sacrificed in order to make this trick work?
One should remember that Arishok tricked Javaris when Javaris was supposed to steal the formula of gunpowder but actually he stole the formula of a poisonous gas before the Blackpower Courtesy Quest. That was a pretty smart trick exploiting the weaknesses of the enemies of Qunari who want to get their hands to the Qunari military secrets. The Duke Prosper has the same weakness and it is possible that the Qunari decided to exploit that and in order to make it more believable they decided to trick Tallis to chase Salit.
One last question is that how that names in that list can be confirmed? How the enemies who get that list in their hands can be sure that the list is genuine and not a Qunari trick? They will need evidence from other sources as well against the people who are named in that list.
I think it is pretty amazing that Hawke´s companions will not react to that list. A Captain of the Guard would be pretty interested to see that list and find out information about Qunari spies in Kirkwall and in Ferelden. Hawke mage companions would to anything to avoid the Qunari supremacy and even more oppressive measures on mages if the Qunaris would be able to conquer Thedas (or most of it). I think none of Hawke regular companion´s would allow Tallis to leave with that list, except Fenris.
That said it looks pretty stupid when Tallis walks away with that list. One possibility is that the list is a Qunari trick and Tallis doesn´t know that. That would explain why the Qunari leadership wasn´t very concerned about that list. Feeding false information to your enemy is an old trick. It is possible that the Qunari spy network compiled a list of people who were relative significant in their societies and in that list claimed that they were the followers of Qun when they really weren´t.
A list like that could destabilize the enemies of Qun if there would be the "right" people like relatively important military leaders on that list. It would also spread fear on those societies that who can they trust weakening the legitimacy of those societies before the Qunari onslaught.
Then Qunari´s needed a high ranking "defector" who would "steal" that list and offer it to the enemies of Qun. Whether Salit was a true defector or whether that was a Qunari trick, I don´t know. The important thing is that Tallis believes that Salit´s defection is true and she wants to stop Salit. The question is that what if both Salit and Tallis can be sacrificed in order to make this trick work?
One should remember that Arishok tricked Javaris when Javaris was supposed to steal the formula of gunpowder but actually he stole the formula of a poisonous gas before the Blackpower Courtesy Quest. That was a pretty smart trick exploiting the weaknesses of the enemies of Qunari who want to get their hands to the Qunari military secrets. The Duke Prosper has the same weakness and it is possible that the Qunari decided to exploit that and in order to make it more believable they decided to trick Tallis to chase Salit.
One last question is that how that names in that list can be confirmed? How the enemies who get that list in their hands can be sure that the list is genuine and not a Qunari trick? They will need evidence from other sources as well against the people who are named in that list.
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#280
Posté 27 octobre 2011 - 11:32
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I have previously mentioned that the idea occurred to me it could be an elaborate scam to destabilise Thedas society without actually putting any real Qunari at risk and Salit was a double agent. I suppose if Tallis had quickly scanned the list and realised it was genuine that would discount that theory. A good spy would have destroyed it immediately and not revealed what was in it, leaving Hawke to draw their own conclusions. So really, as always, there are a lot of "holes" in the plot (as Merrill would put it).
Incidentally Fenris would have been the first one to stop her - he doesn't like Tallis, is the only one who attempts to check her cover story (by talking to her in her language) and moans if you continue to help her after the caves. Since Tallis presumably doesn't know his little fist trick, that would have been the ideal way to catch her off guard since with no weapons drawn an extended hand would appear to offer no threat. Still may be Fenris was smart enough to figure out the double agent ploy and in any case would know that if Tallis runs back to her superiors with the list, when they didn't ask her to obtain it, she may not find them very grateful - spot of re-education in order.
Why none of the other companions objected strongly to helping Tallis is a puzzle, even if they didn't want "innocent people" to suffer. Surely innocent people are going to suffer either way if the Qunari invade and mage freedom will be completely off the agenda if they succeed.
Incidentally Fenris would have been the first one to stop her - he doesn't like Tallis, is the only one who attempts to check her cover story (by talking to her in her language) and moans if you continue to help her after the caves. Since Tallis presumably doesn't know his little fist trick, that would have been the ideal way to catch her off guard since with no weapons drawn an extended hand would appear to offer no threat. Still may be Fenris was smart enough to figure out the double agent ploy and in any case would know that if Tallis runs back to her superiors with the list, when they didn't ask her to obtain it, she may not find them very grateful - spot of re-education in order.
Why none of the other companions objected strongly to helping Tallis is a puzzle, even if they didn't want "innocent people" to suffer. Surely innocent people are going to suffer either way if the Qunari invade and mage freedom will be completely off the agenda if they succeed.
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Posté 28 octobre 2011 - 12:09
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FavouriteStoreCitadel wrote...
Erm, I just watched the DLC on youtube. I think I might have missed something but ... exactly what was the purpose of the scroll and what "harmful things" did it contain:pinched:? I'm a bit confused here :/
The first time I played, I didn't help Tallis, so it was never explained to me what was on the scroll and why it would "harm so many innocents." So at the end, Hawke, was just like, "whatever, at least she's gone now."
Thus, I didn't know what was in the scroll until I came to the forums.
I think Bioware should have given you the option to ask about the scroll when you didn't help her, too. I feel there's 2 reasons for people to not help Tallis at the end: 1) you're sick of her and don't care about her plight, or 2) you're anti-qunari and want her to fail. Hawkes who fall under #2 would want to know what's in the scroll and take it from her, once they found out she didn't fail.
But I guess the Maker doesn't want any Hawke to actually do that, so in the end, it doesn't matter. But it would have been nice to give everyone the option to ask about the scroll.
#282
Posté 28 octobre 2011 - 02:28
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u are incompetent; there are several threads with credible evidence proving bioware has been wronging their customers. if u are going to call ppl here whiny children..ur sorry arse better post credible evidence to back it up.The Grey Nayr wrote...
Boo-freakin-hoo
You know what the real problem with DAII and it's DLC is? At least half it's players are whiny little children.
You act like every single decision should have a major impact. Well when I butter my toast in the morning the direction I stroke the knife wont start a war.
#283
Posté 28 octobre 2011 - 03:14
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I have zero trust in Tallis, And I think that Fenris was right in his mistrust, Also why wasn't Anders more hostel towards the Qunari. They could of had the scroll destroyed, and Hawke 300 kick Tallis of the cliff and the last scene is her crawling back up and achieved Identical results.
#284
Posté 30 octobre 2011 - 07:20
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DRTJR wrote...
I have zero trust in Tallis, And I think that Fenris was right in his mistrust, Also why wasn't Anders more hostel towards the Qunari. They could of had the scroll destroyed, and Hawke 300 kick Tallis of the cliff and the last scene is her crawling back up and achieved Identical results.
Because Anders didnt know much about Qun exactly, but Fenris has huge knowledge about Qunari. And he knew better than Anders, that Quanari operatives must be very fanatic, cold and heartless bastards.<_<
Still, this topic I made because let Quanari agent go with strategic informations, fatal for whole Thedas is more than logic nonsence. It is just stupidity, and players/heroes looks like an idiot, as i and others said there hundred times.
#285
Posté 30 octobre 2011 - 07:48
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Watched the ending of the DLC on Youtube - the one you get for helping her apparently.
Listening to her lamenting over the poor, poor Qunari sleeper agents made me want to vomit. As much as I want to like her, she's Qunari. So in essence, a walking cancer.
Listening to her lamenting over the poor, poor Qunari sleeper agents made me want to vomit. As much as I want to like her, she's Qunari. So in essence, a walking cancer.
#286
Posté 31 octobre 2011 - 06:58
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Finnish Dragon wrote...
I think when Tallis got the Qunari sleeper cell list on her hands then she should have destroyed it. Once she had destroyed it then she could have told Hawke about the list because Hawke would have no incentives to try to take that list from Tallis.
I think it is pretty amazing that Hawke´s companions will not react to that list. A Captain of the Guard would be pretty interested to see that list and find out information about Qunari spies in Kirkwall and in Ferelden. Hawke mage companions would to anything to avoid the Qunari supremacy and even more oppressive measures on mages if the Qunaris would be able to conquer Thedas (or most of it). I think none of Hawke regular companion´s would allow Tallis to leave with that list, except Fenris.
That said it looks pretty stupid when Tallis walks away with that list. One possibility is that the list is a Qunari trick and Tallis doesn´t know that. That would explain why the Qunari leadership wasn´t very concerned about that list. Feeding false information to your enemy is an old trick. It is possible that the Qunari spy network compiled a list of people who were relative significant in their societies and in that list claimed that they were the followers of Qun when they really weren´t.
A list like that could destabilize the enemies of Qun if there would be the "right" people like relatively important military leaders on that list. It would also spread fear on those societies that who can they trust weakening the legitimacy of those societies before the Qunari onslaught.
Then Qunari´s needed a high ranking "defector" who would "steal" that list and offer it to the enemies of Qun. Whether Salit was a true defector or whether that was a Qunari trick, I don´t know. The important thing is that Tallis believes that Salit´s defection is true and she wants to stop Salit. The question is that what if both Salit and Tallis can be sacrificed in order to make this trick work?
One should remember that Arishok tricked Javaris when Javaris was supposed to steal the formula of gunpowder but actually he stole the formula of a poisonous gas before the Blackpower Courtesy Quest. That was a pretty smart trick exploiting the weaknesses of the enemies of Qunari who want to get their hands to the Qunari military secrets. The Duke Prosper has the same weakness and it is possible that the Qunari decided to exploit that and in order to make it more believable they decided to trick Tallis to chase Salit.
One last question is that how that names in that list can be confirmed? How the enemies who get that list in their hands can be sure that the list is genuine and not a Qunari trick? They will need evidence from other sources as well against the people who are named in that list.
Maker's Breath, man! I LOVE that idea.
I hope they decide to do something like that in a future DLC with Tallis. It'd make so much more sense if that were the case all along. And Tallis could recruit you again to stop the fake "qunari spies" from being exposed. This could lead to an interesting turn in her character arc, where she finally questions where her beliefs truly lie, and perhaps even leaves the Qun!
-crosses fingers- C'mon BW, make magic happen again!
#287
Posté 02 novembre 2011 - 12:22
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I am curious, what we will see in next two DLCs. Elves, Tevinter or Kal Sharok dwarves, it doesnt matter, but if you will try again screw with the whole story by too much stupid end...rest in piece, Thedas!
Howgh, (not now so much) beloved Bioware!
For Mr. Woo or anybody: Good time for lock i think. Everything important about destroyed MotA decisions was said already. Peace, man!
Howgh, (not now so much) beloved Bioware!
For Mr. Woo or anybody: Good time for lock i think. Everything important about destroyed MotA decisions was said already. Peace, man!
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