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[Shadow of Light Dragon]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Redemption comes before MotA. That's when she's named 'Tallis' again.

Was that said in the DLC? If not, how can you tell.

The first episode of Redemption made it sound like she messed up something and lost her rights and name and to be an Aflak. Which kind of explains the title of the series.

Yes, it's said in the DLC. Tallis says, "By the way, have you watched Redemption yet? Because that totally comes before Mark of the Assassin."

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No of course it's not in the DLC Felicia Day said Redemption comes first in an interview.

[Big I]

a1021 wrote...

Tallis is working for the Qunari secret police. How can anyone be "friends" with her?

If you can be friends with: 

the guy who betrayed Duncan at Ostagar;

a guy who was sent by the Crows to kill you;

a soldier who fully expects his people to invade one day;

a manipulative and deceitful apostate;

a woman who attacks human caravans for no reason;

a walking corpse;

an abomination;

and a woman who works with demons;

then you can be friends with Tallis.

[dreman9999]

caradoc2000 wrote...

NovinhaShepard wrote...

There were more story choices in MotA than Witch Hunt and Legacy combined.

Doesn't change the fact that the big final choice was missing.

I'm sorry. Did everyone miss the option to leave her in the caves?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

While my Hawke figured it was worth helping Tallis, it does strike me as awkward that you're essentially forced to ally with her especially when her allegiance should rightfully put her at odds with Hawke and most of humanity. She picked Hawke because she figured Fereldens are enemies or Orlais but honestly The Qunari are greater adversaries to both, even across the world. So going politically Hawke should be more eager to aide the Duke against Tallis.

The concept character seemed a little weird at times. Not that i don't buy the concept of a female elf assassin Qunari convert per say, but the plot essentially treats her like she's your friend when she's on the side of the antagonists. I loved the Arishok as a character and I respected him as an adversary but the fact is he still proved he was an enemy.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 13 octobre 2011 - 06:56 .

[dreman9999]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

While my Hawke figured it was worth helping Tallis, it does strike me as awkward that you're essentially forced to ally with her especially when her allegiance should rightfully put her at odds with Hawke and most of humanity. She picked Hawke because she figured Fereldens are enemies or Orlais but honestly The Qunari are greater adversaries to both, even across the world. So going politically Hawke should be more eager to aide the Duke against Tallis.

The concept character seemed a little weird at times. Not that i don't buy the concept of a female elf assassin Qunari convert per say, but the plot essentially treats her like she's your friend when she's on the side of the antagonists.

Un....The qunari are a unique folk. To them someone ageinst them is not an enemy,it's the ones ageinst order who are their enemy. As she put's it, not all Qunari agree.  What happen in kirkwall would not be seen as an attack on the qunari but just a city defending themselves, the would not be at odds with anyone over it.
Also, the qunari are not the antiagonist or the bad guys. They just have a massively different veiw in life than you.

Modifié par dreman9999, 13 octobre 2011 - 06:59 .

[caradoc2000]

dreman9999 wrote...
I'm sorry. Did everyone miss the option to leave her in the caves?

That one makes the situation worse because it won't affect the eventual outcome.

[dreman9999]

caradoc2000 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
I'm sorry. Did everyone miss the option to leave her in the caves?

That one makes the situation worse because it won't affect the eventual outcome.

How would it make it worse? People have this strange notion that they have to have full control of a event to be happy. One Talis has the scroll and you try to take it from her, do you think she going to say and let you kill her, even with her quick ability to escape?
The fact is this, she is overwhelmed with odd ageinst her, ifyou don't want her help her....Don't help her. Onece she gets the scrolls, she has no reason to engage you even if you attack because, being a stelthy assassin, she can just run away...which she did.

[caradoc2000]

dreman9999 wrote...

How would it make it worse?

Because it gives the player the illusion that he/she can make a difference. It is not a question about not having full control, it is a question of having no control at all.

[dreman9999]

caradoc2000 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

How would it make it worse?

Because it gives the player the illusion that he/she can make a difference. It is not a question about not having full control, it is a question of having no control at all.

Thank you for ignoring everything I posted after that... I'll post it a agein for you to read.

People have this strange notion that they have to have full control of a
event to be happy. One Talis has the scroll and you try to take it from
her, do you think she going to say and let you kill her, even with her
quick ability to escape?
The fact is this, she is overwhelmed with
odd ageinst her, ifyou don't want her help her....Don't help her. Onece
she gets the scrolls, she has no reason to engage you even if you attack
because, being a stelthy assassin, she can just run away...which she
did.

.....
AKA, you would omly have the choice to kill her if she engaged you, which she did not. She can easilly run.

[Jarys]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Also, the qunari are not the antiagonist or the bad guys. They just have a massively different veiw in life than you.

Honestly, I like the Qunari views on corruption and hypocrisy. Too bad we cant let a legion or two loose in Washington.

@ the OP - Agreed for the most part. Any decision that involves a major plotline finishing off should have more than one option, and the final lines of a DLC is a fairly major plotline (hopefully at least, worthless DLCs that never get mentioned again would make me sad). Killing off major characters in said plotline is also worth at least a few cinematic options, as mentioned (try to safe him, he tries to pull you off, or step on his fingers, etc.). It was in Origins, I don't understand why they are skimping now on DLCs which should be trying to fix some of the problems of DA2 itself.

Modifié par Jarys, 13 octobre 2011 - 08:12 .

[caradoc2000]

dreman9999 wrote...

She can easilly run.

Meaning we can make no difference whatsoever. Even the 'give me the scroll' options lead nowhere. As pointed out in this thread, even if I play the most ardent Qunari-hater, I can do nothing to prevent Tallis in her plot-armor from leaving with the scroll.

I'd like to point out that this isn't a major gripe for me, I liked the DLC. Nevertheless this continuous sense of powerlessness is starting to irritate.

[dreman9999]

caradoc2000 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

She can easilly run.

Meaning we can make no difference whatsoever. Even the 'give me the scroll' options lead nowhere. As pointed out in this thread, even if I play the most ardent Qunari-hater, I can do nothing to prevent Tallis in her plot-armor from leaving with the scroll.

I'd like to point out that this isn't a major gripe for me, I liked the DLC. Nevertheless this continuous sense of powerlessness is starting to irritate.

Your still not understanding. Not everything has to be rule by our choice. The writers did not have to have you be able to take the scroll and kill Tillis. The event has herin a place she can escape.

[caradoc2000]

dreman9999 wrote...

The writers did not have to have you be able to take the scroll and kill Tillis.

Indeed they didn't. Instead they wrote it so that James "Hawke" Bond has to let Alec "Tallis" Trevelyan walk away with the Goldeneye.

[atheelogos]

NovinhaShepard wrote...

This makes no sense. There were more story choices in MotA than Witch Hunt and Legacy combined.

name one where hawke wasn't just along for the ride....

[atheelogos]

dreman9999 wrote...

caradoc2000 wrote...

NovinhaShepard wrote...

There were more story choices in MotA than Witch Hunt and Legacy combined.

Doesn't change the fact that the big final choice was missing.

I'm sorry. Did everyone miss the option to leave her in the caves?

It's a false choice. You end up helping her no matter what

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

atheelogos wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
I'm sorry. Did everyone miss the option to leave her in the caves?

It's a false choice. You end up helping her no matter what

I'm wondering if there was a different version of this end that didn't make the cut.

Reason I say this is the Mark of the Assassin achievement is: "Defeat Duke Prosper with or without Tallis." which implies to me there should be, or once was, an alternate ending. Maybe where Tallis doesn't help Hawke (if Hawke left her at the caves) and bolts once she has the scroll.

[Leoroc]

dreman9999 wrote...

caradoc2000 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

She can easilly run.

Meaning we can make no difference whatsoever. Even the 'give me the scroll' options lead nowhere. As pointed out in this thread, even if I play the most ardent Qunari-hater, I can do nothing to prevent Tallis in her plot-armor from leaving with the scroll.

I'd like to point out that this isn't a major gripe for me, I liked the DLC. Nevertheless this continuous sense of powerlessness is starting to irritate.

Your still not understanding. Not everything has to be rule by our choice. The writers did not have to have you be able to take the scroll and kill Tillis. The event has herin a place she can escape.

You're not understanding. We're not talking about "everything", we're talking about "anything". It's not like the whole game has been lots of major decisions and there's this one thing that isn't. It's been a constant issue through DA2, Legacy and now MotA

[KJandrew]

iheartbob wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...
Don't see why everybody thinks the Duke is the big bad. You could say that the man was defending himself against a Qunari assassin and her accomplices.

I don't know, when a guy locks me up in a dungeon presumably to starve and die, I can't see how he is anything other than a "bad guy." 

So wait. You break into his home with the intention of stealing his property, knock out a few of him men along the way. And because he throws you and someone working for the biggest threat to thedas since the darkspawn into a cell he's a baddie? I'm struggling to see the logic here.

[CrimsonZephyr]

KJandrew wrote...

iheartbob wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...
Don't see why everybody thinks the Duke is the big bad. You could say that the man was defending himself against a Qunari assassin and her accomplices.

I don't know, when a guy locks me up in a dungeon presumably to starve and die, I can't see how he is anything other than a "bad guy." 

So wait. You break into his home with the intention of stealing his property, knock out a few of him men along the way. And because he throws you and someone working for the biggest threat to thedas since the darkspawn into a cell he's a baddie? I'm struggling to see the logic here.

Prosper was an idiot, but a bad guy? No way. He had the right idea. Gotta stick it to the Qunari whenever possible, even when the Qunari is Felicia Day.

[Wulfram]

Related to that, I'm sort of baffled by Varric's "Imagine the scandal if that was known" at the end. What scandal?

[Yrkoon]

jlb524 wrote...

I doubt they'd let you kill Tallis, considering they might do more with Felicia Day in the future.

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Well if you kill Tallis how will she be in Redemption?

LOL

You guys act like Death matters.  Like it makes any difference at all in a Bioware game.  It does not.  It's not even a speed bump in the story-telling process.


This is Dragon Age.  Where your warden can dramatically sacrifice  his own life to kill the Archdemon,  only to return to life 6 months later as the Grey Warden Commander  who rules an entire  Arling.  This is Dragon Age, where Lelianna can die by your hand, only to  come back  in all her living glory  as the powerful left hand of the  Divine Herself.

And this is Bioware.  A company that lets you Kill Deeken,  only to have him return as  his killer's  beloved Henchman
a few months later.    This is Bioware, a company that lets you kill Imoen, and Edwin, and Viconia, and Jaheira, and Minsc, only to have each and every one of them return in the next installment of the series, fully alive and ready to follow  you around once again, as if  nothing in the past ever really happened.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 13 octobre 2011 - 10:45 .

[KJandrew]

Wulfram wrote...

Related to that, I'm sort of baffled by Varric's "Imagine the scandal if that was known" at the end. What scandal?

Maybe that Hawke had assisted the Qunari against Orlais.

[Wulfram]

KJandrew wrote...

Maybe that Hawke had assisted the Qunari against Orlais.

In the context it seems like it's supposed to be a scandal that would embarrass Orlais/Empress Celene.

Modifié par Wulfram, 13 octobre 2011 - 10:49 .

[KJandrew]

Wulfram wrote...

KJandrew wrote...

Maybe that Hawke had assisted the Qunari against Orlais.

In the context it seems like it's supposed to be a scandal that would embarrass Orlais/Empress Celene.

Maybe it's the scandel that her troops are so incompetant that they can't even take a peice of paper without murdering their allies and then getting beaten by some random person despite having numbers and a gaint dragon monster on their side?

[TheGunslinger]

Didn't Cassandra say at the start that a Seeker was at Chateau Haine at the start of the DLC? Perhaps Leliana?