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[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

GodWood wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...
Hell most races at that point wouldn't like humanity.

Well that's just not true.

Considering when I killed the council It has been shown that othe Citadel races saw what humans did was a sort of a coup or a power grab. I doubt all races see it that way since some probably wouldn't care like the Terminus systems or Krogan.

Only the Council races are pissed and even then it's only the turians + asari, the salarian's relations with humanity are actually quite positive.
The other citadel races are either better off or indifferent. (from what we've seen)

I kind of get the feeling that the Salarians look at humanity and go "Oh opportunity!".

[1136342t54_]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

I kind of get the feeling that the Salarians look at humanity and go "Oh opportunity!".

They kind of did. Salarians and humans do have good relations since both are pretty similar even in military doctrine.

[GodWood]

1136342t54 wrote...
I'll have to check the codex again but even in ME1 species always so humanity as a bit too expansionist and felt that they way were getting too many advantages. I wouldn't be surprised if many more would be pissed after a few decades humanity became a Council power.

Well in ME1 we know that the volus ambassador didn't like humanity (for the reasons you stated) but in ME2 with the human led Council the volus gain more independance and even got rights to settle another planet.

[1136342t54_]

GodWood wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...
I'll have to check the codex again but even in ME1 species always so humanity as a bit too expansionist and felt that they way were getting too many advantages. I wouldn't be surprised if many more would be pissed after a few decades humanity became a Council power.

Well in ME1 we know that the volus ambassador didn't like humanity (for the reasons you stated) but in ME2 with the human led Council the volus gain more independance and even got rights to settle another planet.

Probably because of both human interference and the decrease in Turian military power. When your biggest protector can't protect you well enough it would be time for you to get more independence yourself.

[Sajuro]

marshalleck wrote...

Their indiscriminate breeding habits have left the species docile and content to spend their time pole-dancing and arguing politics on the internet.

are we so different?

[BlueMagitek]

1136342t54 wrote...

The Systems Alliance was willing to accept Terminus colonies as acceptable losses to pirate attacks.

Salarians arent doing anything about indoctrination. They just know about its effects. The Salarians and Asari have a fleet that is unlikely able to do crap to the Reapers. SA fleet was stomped by the Reapers and I doubt humanity has much else. There is a reason why humans need the most help. 

Also your reasoning in regarding how useful Asari strategies (that doesn't just involve assassination) won't be affective applies to other militaries. It takes a single fleet at the very least to reasonably take on a Reaper of Sovereign's size. Turian Homeworld has been attacked I doubt anyone can conventionally fight the Reapers unless they got nerfed to hell.

Still, they put up some lasers; more than the Asari did. >____________>

I could have sworn they were doing something about it; regardless, Shepard may have friends there, depending on the status of CK.  So we're in even more need of a magic bullet than ever.  Fair enough.  

Well you're the one who keeps touting how the Asari are the most feared warriors in the galaxy and how the Turians are so glad there are only a few of them, though, honestly, the League of One organization sounds much cooler than the Asari commando units. 

[Robhuzz]

Luigitornado wrote...

Hmmm....

Maybe they'll be an argument about if they should join or not...and then some diplomatic problem arises and Shepard helps it so they are all like "yeah, we will have an orgy with you!"

Diplomatic problem? No thank you. After all it'll be: Press Blue or Red dialogue option --> Watch cutscene --> Mission completed.

[LOLandStuff]

No more inter-species sex. Since all the other races are busy fighting for survival or each other, the asari will have to do with another asari. And asari are against sex with each other.
See? Perfectly flawless and logical explanation.

[Elvis_Shepard]

Asari?

Everybody likes the Asari, man.

[Wulfram]

LOLandStuff wrote...

No more inter-species sex. Since all the other races are busy fighting for survival or each other, the asari will have to do with another asari. And asari are against sex with each other.
See? Perfectly flawless and logical explanation.

Asari are totally in favour of sex with each other.  They're against having babies together.

[LOLandStuff]

Wulfram wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

No more inter-species sex. Since all the other races are busy fighting for survival or each other, the asari will have to do with another asari. And asari are against sex with each other.
See? Perfectly flawless and logical explanation.

Asari are totally in favour of sex with each other.  They're against having babies together.

You never know they might accidentally get pregnant if they enjoy it too much. It's not like they have condoms for mind sex.

[Dean_the_Young]

Wulfram wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

No more inter-species sex. Since all the other races are busy fighting for survival or each other, the asari will have to do with another asari. And asari are against sex with each other.
See? Perfectly flawless and logical explanation.

Asari are totally in favour of sex with each other.  They're against having babies together.

Personally, I think Bioware missed a golden opportunity for subversion.

Asari were the blue-space babes with some odd cultural penchant for xenophilia. Alright, fine. Not particularly cool, but whatever.


But if the sex-appeal of the Asari is that they look Human, why don't we get anything about how Human look Asari?

We could have had culture-war 2.0 because Humans became the guilty-fantasy for all those pure-blood wannabes to escape sexual repression.

[1136342t54_]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Still, they put up some lasers; more than the Asari did. >____________>


I could have sworn they were doing something about it; regardless, Shepard may have friends there, depending on the status of CK.  So we're in even more need of a magic bullet than ever.  Fair enough.  

Lasers that were doing nothing and it was also because they seem to think Cerberus may be involve.

Well you're the one who keeps touting how the Asari are the most feared warriors in the galaxy and how the Turians are so glad there are only a few of them, though, honestly, the League of One organization sounds much cooler than the Asari commando units. 

Actually you were the one claiming the Asari were basically useless species militarily. I was correcting you on your assumptions. Also the League of One could be akin to the Justicars in how dangerous they were. The League of One if I remember correctly were considered dangerous enough to heavily damage the Salarian government themselves. Justicars are the same with the Asari. 

League of one aren't equivalent to Asari commandos remember that. STG are more equivalent to commandos or huntresses.

[Xilizhra]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

No more inter-species sex. Since all the other races are busy fighting for survival or each other, the asari will have to do with another asari. And asari are against sex with each other.
See? Perfectly flawless and logical explanation.

Asari are totally in favour of sex with each other.  They're against having babies together.

Personally, I think Bioware missed a golden opportunity for subversion.

Asari were the blue-space babes with some odd cultural penchant for xenophilia. Alright, fine. Not particularly cool, but whatever.


But if the sex-appeal of the Asari is that they look Human, why don't we get anything about how Human look Asari?

We could have had culture-war 2.0 because Humans became the guilty-fantasy for all those pure-blood wannabes to escape sexual repression.

Because asari kind of look like everyone; most other species see traits of themselves in asari, and presumably asari don't see themselves as being that close, physically, to anyone in particular, though this may vary.

[Dean_the_Young]

Thought that was more of an inversion of the 'blind drunks and the elephant' fable, since Asari don't change, you're missing a point.

Even if all species see the aspects of Asari that resemble them, to Asari Humans still look like Asari.

Yes, no one makes a point of it... but then, no one makes a point that Asari look like Human women. But assuming you aren't blind to the female gender and body type, Asari are dead-ringers for humans bar the head tentacles. And, consequencly, Humans look like Asari as well.

[Xilizhra]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Thought that was more of an inversion of the 'blind drunks and the elephant' fable, since Asari don't change, you're missing a point.

Even if all species see the aspects of Asari that resemble them, to Asari Humans still look like Asari.

Yes, no one makes a point of it... but then, no one makes a point that Asari look like Human women. But assuming you aren't blind to the female gender and body type, Asari are dead-ringers for humans bar the head tentacles. And, consequencly, Humans look like Asari as well.

Admittedly, this does play into my "asari should only, logically speaking, be physically attracted to human and quarian females, even if they're mentally attracted to other species." So I don't totally disagree.

[sorentoft]

Sajuro wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Their indiscriminate breeding habits have left the species docile and content to spend their time pole-dancing and arguing politics on the internet.

are we so different?

To be fair, today's society is decadent.

[Yezdigerd]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Thought that was more of an inversion of the 'blind drunks and the elephant' fable, since Asari don't change, you're missing a point.

Even if all species see the aspects of Asari that resemble them, to Asari Humans still look like Asari.

Yes, no one makes a point of it... but then, no one makes a point that Asari look like Human women. But assuming you aren't blind to the female gender and body type, Asari are dead-ringers for humans bar the head tentacles. And, consequencly, Humans look like Asari as well.

Well maybe the reason they look human is that we view them through Shepard's eyes.

Modifié par Yezdigerd, 13 octobre 2011 - 10:08 .

[1136342t54_]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Thought that was more of an inversion of the 'blind drunks and the elephant' fable, since Asari don't change, you're missing a point.

Even if all species see the aspects of Asari that resemble them, to Asari Humans still look like Asari.

Yes, no one makes a point of it... but then, no one makes a point that Asari look like Human women. But assuming you aren't blind to the female gender and body type, Asari are dead-ringers for humans bar the head tentacles. And, consequencly, Humans look like Asari as well.

Well it seems that a couple of humanoid races think Asari look like them but it seems to be more like they see what they want to see then any psychic differences. Plus the similarities the Asari have with the other main humanoid races seem to be important enough that a Turian wouldn't think a Asari look like a Human but due to the crest the Asari seem to look rather similar to Turians.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 13 octobre 2011 - 10:38 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Thought that was more of an inversion of the 'blind drunks and the elephant' fable, since Asari don't change, you're missing a point.

Even if all species see the aspects of Asari that resemble them, to Asari Humans still look like Asari.

Yes, no one makes a point of it... but then, no one makes a point that Asari look like Human women. But assuming you aren't blind to the female gender and body type, Asari are dead-ringers for humans bar the head tentacles. And, consequencly, Humans look like Asari as well.

Admittedly, this does play into my "asari should only, logically speaking, be physically attracted to human and quarian females, even if they're mentally attracted to other species." So I don't totally disagree.

There xenophilia is highly cultural, unless we accept that they were into bestiality on Thessia even before First Contact. So that's the alternative 'Bioware missed something big.'

[Dean_the_Young]

1136342t54 wrote...

Well it seems that a couple of humanoid races think Asari look like them but it seems to be more like they see what they want to see then any psychic differences. Plus the similarities the Asari have with the other main humanoid races seem to be important enough that a Turian wouldn't think a Asari look like a Human but due to the crest the Asari seem to look rather similar to Turians.

It doesn't work that way. While there is an unclear amount of magic-Asari-pherome/chemical to make any species find Asari attractive in person, pictures of Asari would only show what they really are. They aren't shape-shifters.

The Asari look as much like Turians as Humans with hair styles do.

[1136342t54_]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Well it seems that a couple of humanoid races think Asari look like them but it seems to be more like they see what they want to see then any psychic differences. Plus the similarities the Asari have with the other main humanoid races seem to be important enough that a Turian wouldn't think a Asari look like a Human but due to the crest the Asari seem to look rather similar to Turians.

It doesn't work that way. While there is an unclear amount of magic-Asari-pherome/chemical to make any species find Asari attractive in person, pictures of Asari would only show what they really are. They aren't shape-shifters.

The Asari look as much like Turians as Humans with hair styles do.

I never said Psychic differences work I said it is more likely the different species see what they want to see then anything psychic or biological. Hell I go on explaining the reasoning other than psychic lol.

[BlueMagitek]

1136342t54 wrote...

Lasers that were doing nothing and it was also because they seem to think Cerberus may be involve.

Actually you were the one claiming the Asari were basically useless species militarily. I was correcting you on your assumptions. Also the League of One could be akin to the Justicars in how dangerous they were. The League of One if I remember correctly were considered dangerous enough to heavily damage the Salarian government themselves. Justicars are the same with the Asari. 

League of one aren't equivalent to Asari commandos remember that. STG are more equivalent to commandos or huntresses.

The lasers did do something; the VS just really sucks at getting it to work.  Why you send a Biotic/Soldier instead of an Engineer, well, that's just silly.  And it did drive away the Collector ship. =D

And they are pretty useless; heck, Shepard agrees, they only belong on poles.  ~_^

Heck, they didn't even rebuild a Destiny Ascension (or Destiny Rebirth ) after it was destroyed; if they aren't going to attempt to rearm themselves, they'll need to prove their worth.

The League of One was (from my understanding) a function of the Salarian government that acted as assassins and intelligence specialists until they were betrayed by the Salarians to the Asari.  There was supposedly one that wasn't hunted down.  But that's beside the point; the League of One was destroyed. 

I never said they were equivilant; I said they were cooler.  And they were. 

[1136342t54_]

BlueMagitek wrote...
The lasers did do something; the VS just really sucks at getting it to work.  Why you send a Biotic/Soldier instead of an Engineer, well, that's just silly.  And it did drive away the Collector ship. =D

Freedoms Progress had GARDIAN lasers. We all know what happened to them.

And they are pretty useless; heck, Shepard agrees, they only belong on poles.  ~_^

Renegade shepard saying that to attempt to get that same Asari Spectre distracted after she kicks the **** out of him or her.

Heck, they didn't even rebuild a Destiny Ascension (or Destiny Rebirth ) after it was destroyed; if they aren't going to attempt to rearm themselves, they'll need to prove their worth.

Because rebuilding the most advanced and powerful Dreadnought in the Galaxy is so ****ing easy. You don't even know if they are attempting it.

The League of One was (from my understanding) a function of the Salarian government that acted as assassins and intelligence specialists until they were betrayed by the Salarians to the Asari.  There was supposedly one that wasn't hunted down.  But that's beside the point; the League of One was destroyed. 
I never said they were equivilant; I said they were cooler.  And they were. 

So. I can easily say the Asari huntresses are cooler than a Salarian grunt.

[BlueMagitek]

1136342t54 wrote...

Freedoms Progress had GARDIAN lasers. We all know what happened to them.

Renegade shepard saying that to attempt to get that same Asari Spectre distracted after she kicks the **** out of him or her.

Because rebuilding the most advanced and powerful Dreadnought in the Galaxy is so ****ing easy. You don't even know if they are attempting it.

So. I can easily say the Asari huntresses are cooler than a Salarian grunt.

And no Engineer to install them outside of some crazy Quarian.  We saw how that went. D=

What game were you playing? o_o 
Shepard was the fox to Vasir's hare the entire time. 

We would have heard something about it, not "The Asari have ceded their Citadel Defense responsibility to the Turians".  It isn't like they'd be starting from the ground up either; unless Asari ritualistically burn their schematics.  >________________>

If you think so, sure.