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[Zanallen]

So, as most of you may know, in DA2 your companions can develop relationships outside of the usual PC x Companion scenario. There is a whole quest to get Aveline to hook up with Donnic and they can eventually get married. It is implied that, if Hawke doesn't romance either of them, Isabela and Fenris have a thing going on. In MotA, it seems like Bethany has the hots for Seb and we all know that Carver has a thing for elves.

So, what do you guys think of this? Is it a good idea to have your companions develop relationships with each other? Do you like how it was implemented?

Modifié par Zanallen, 13 octobre 2011 - 10:28 .

[Myusha]

Obviously. So then you can have Varric....all for yourself.

[TheJediSaint]

Well, all the companions develop relationships with each other, though not romantic for the most part. Aveline and Isabella have a kind of vitriolic friendship, Varric is everybody's buddy, Merrill and Isabella have a of little sister-big sister thing going. Which makes sense in the context of DA2's storyline, these people know each other for years, after all.

[Zanallen]

TheJediSaint wrote...

Well, all the companions develop relationships with each other, though not romantic for the most part. Aveline and Isabella have a kind of vitriolic friendship, Varric is everybody's buddy, Merrill and Isabella have a of little sister-big sister thing going. Which makes sense in the context of DA2's storyline, these people know each other for years, after all.

Yeah. Personally, I like it. I think it fleshes out the companions more.

[Quinnzel]

I've always had a dislike for inter-party romancing, especially with the available LI's PC can romance.

A lot of the times people mention it, or speak in favor of it, I just remember the whole Haer'Dalis/Aerie thing from Baldurs Gate, which was such a damn pain way back when. Having to go into the CLAUconsole to fix things. (I do believe I just killed the damned tiefling in the end)

I can understand why people would want to see more of them, but I simply cant come to the same conclusion. Hell, I routinely bring Carver into the deeproads to die/ be tainted simply for talking to Merrill (foreveraloneCarver.jpg)

Non LI interparty romances (Aveline and Donnic eg.) I can totally get behind.

[TheJediSaint]

Quinnzel wrote...

I've always had a dislike for inter-party romancing, especially with the available LI's PC can romance.

A lot of the times people mention it, or speak in favor of it, I just remember the whole Haer'Dalis/Aerie thing from Baldurs Gate, which was such a damn pain way back when. Having to go into the CLAUconsole to fix things. (I do believe I just killed the damned tiefling in the end)

I can understand why people would want to see more of them, but I simply cant come to the same conclusion. Hell, I routinely bring Carver into the deeproads to die/ be tainted simply for talking to Merrill (foreveraloneCarver.jpg)

Non LI interparty romances (Aveline and Donnic eg.) I can totally get behind.

Though I have nothing against interparty romances per se, I suspect that writers would rather focus their efforts on developing potenital relationships for the player.  Bioware loves its player agency, afterall.  I could see some potential for a romance were the PC has to compete with an NPC for the heart of a love intrest, but that's about it.

Modifié par TheJediSaint, 13 octobre 2011 - 12:57 .

[whykikyouwhy]

I think the inter-party relationships give the companions additional depth and nuance. It makes complete sense for people who have adventured together for so many years to meet and interact outside of said adventuring and romps, away from the spiders and dragons. So we hear about card games at the Hanged Man and solstice parties - it simply adds layers, makes them less static and much more interesting.

I'm not especially keen on the companion-companion romances, but that could just be my own bias regarding Isabela's relationship with my canon Hawke. Selfish of me, I know.

Modifié par whykikyouwhy, 13 octobre 2011 - 12:56 .

[hoorayforicecream]

I really liked how it worked in DA2, but with a caveat that's since been somewhat addressed in Legacy and MotA. It made the characters seem more like real people. They don't just hang around and orbit Hawke, but they also have their own lives and interact with each other on a regular basis. There are relationships that build, and I found that very refreshing. The part that bothered me was that it felt like Hawke was the satellite, because the companions were all friendly with each other, but I don't remember Hawke getting invited to play cards, or hang out swapping stories, or even participating in banter.

The DLCs helped that a bit... Hawke can banter with the followers now, and it feels more organic in the way they interact with each other. I still want more interaction with the followers on a group basis though... going out shopping on market day with everyone, or attending a fancy party, for example.

[dreadpiratesnugglecakes]

Zanallen wrote...

So, as most of you may know, in DA2 your companions can develop relationships outside of the usual PC x Companion scenario. There is a whole quest to get Aveline to hook up with Donnic and they can eventually get married. It is implied that, if Hawke doesn't romance either of them, Isabela and Fenris have a thing going on. In MotA, it seems like Bethany has the hots for Seb and we all know that Carver has a thing for elves.

So, what do you guys think of this? Is it a good idea to have your companions develop relationships with each other? Do you like how it was implemented?

I didn't think it was implemented very well at all.  For all of their strong friendships, nobody helped Fenris clean his ****ing house for almost a decade!  How do live in a house full of garbage and dead bodies?  Entertaining friends..romancing them?  It was annoying.  I hated going in there.

[TheJediSaint]

dreadpiratesnugglecakes wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

So, as most of you may know, in DA2 your companions can develop relationships outside of the usual PC x Companion scenario. There is a whole quest to get Aveline to hook up with Donnic and they can eventually get married. It is implied that, if Hawke doesn't romance either of them, Isabela and Fenris have a thing going on. In MotA, it seems like Bethany has the hots for Seb and we all know that Carver has a thing for elves.

So, what do you guys think of this? Is it a good idea to have your companions develop relationships with each other? Do you like how it was implemented?

I didn't think it was implemented very well at all.  For all of their strong friendships, nobody helped Fenris clean his ****ing house for almost a decade!  How do live in a house full of garbage and dead bodies?  Entertaining friends..romancing them?  It was annoying.  I hated going in there.

Maybe Fernis just wanted a broody atmosphere to, uh...brood in?

Modifié par TheJediSaint, 13 octobre 2011 - 01:38 .

[Dave of Canada]

I'd be pro-inter-party romances provided it has some role in the story (You leave one to die in the Deep Roads and the other is absolutely furious with you, slowly growing to understand you did what needed to be done but still providing constant conflict, ect) or it's after the protagonist is past the "point of no return" for romances.

I don't like catfights.

[TheJediSaint]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'd be pro-inter-party romances provided it has some role in the story (You leave one to die in the Deep Roads and the other is absolutely furious with you, slowly growing to understand you did what needed to be done but still providing constant conflict, ect) or it's after the protagonist is past the "point of no return" for romances.

I don't like catfights.

Something along the lines of Khalid and Jaheria in BG1, I take it?

[Dave of Canada]

TheJediSaint wrote...

Something along the lines of Khalid and Jaheria in BG1, I take it?

Didn't play the first one, I'm afraid.

[TheJediSaint]

Dave of Canada wrote...

TheJediSaint wrote...

Something along the lines of Khalid and Jaheria in BG1, I take it?

Didn't play the first one, I'm afraid.

Husband-wife adventuring duo the player could have in the party.  I do like the your suggestion, but something I think that would be cool is the senario that you just outlined, but it's a father-son relationship instead.

Modifié par TheJediSaint, 13 octobre 2011 - 01:43 .

[LadyBri]

This is a great topic, and I absolutely loved seeing relationships form between other characters. From Varric's nicknames, to friendships like Isabela and Merrill, and rivalries like Fenris and Anders - all added more depth to the game, and made me love my companions. I couldn't wait to see which combo was going to do what next.

Probably my favorite relationship to see play out and grow is Isabela and Aveline. They are probably my top two to take places because their banter kills me. I'm so glad this feature was given such importance in DA2, and I hope it continues in future games.

[JJDrakken]

I would like to see the current relationships with your current love, to evolve into something more, perhaps marriage, kids, exploding a Tevinter Tower together, something.


JJ

[Oneiropolos]

I like seeing how their friendships develop, but I don't care for seeing them become romantically involved with each other. I adore Fenris so much, that in the playthrough that I romanced Anders (Just the once! I purposely didn't enlist Sebastian because I didn't want to see his grief and anger at the end when I spared Anders)... I may have purposely never ever had Isabella and Fenris in a party together in order to prevent their time spent together and hopefully negate the chances of them ever ending up in bed together. >.> Hey, -I- didn't hear any banter that playthrough that indicated they ended up together. My headcanon for that playthrough is that they clearly didn't.

But yeah, I just... didn't care for it. I don't need to be the ultra special snowflake, but my instant reaction is "Wait, would Isabelle and Fenris be more happy together than when they are with my Hawke? What if being with my Hawke is the bad decision and I'm ruining their chance at actual love?" It's...conflicting and a bit disturbing for me. I didn't mind Bethany lusting after Sebastian because come on.. he's hot. And she didn't cross any lines, she just thoroughly appreciates his existence. But actually hearing that two potential Love interests are sleeping with each other? Too far for me. :/

[CuriousArtemis]

JJDrakken wrote...

I would like to see the current relationships with your current love, to evolve into something more, perhaps marriage, kids, exploding a Tevinter Tower together, something.

LOL But that last one sounds more like "Anders and Fenris Big Adventure!"

Intra-Companion relatoinships ... Hmmm.  Aveline x Donnic = win.  Isabela x Fenris = uhhhh, what?  I never got that.  Fenris is so touchy and hard to get close to, not to mention the fact that he has a freaking panic attack the first time Hawke has sex with him.  So how is it that he just casually enters into a fcuk buddy relationship with Isabela?  Isabela x Anders would have made WAY WAY WAY more sense.  Hell, Isabela x Merrill!  (I kind of privately like that one, tbh).

[Big I]

Oneiropolos wrote...

But yeah, I just... didn't care for it. I don't need to be the ultra special snowflake, but my instant reaction is "Wait, would Isabelle and Fenris be more happy together than when they are with my Hawke? What if being with my Hawke is the bad decision and I'm ruining their chance at actual love?" It's...conflicting and a bit disturbing for me. /

I'm the opposite. What annoyed me about that development is that we're supposed to imply that a relationship with each other is less fulfilling than one with Hawke. Having Fenris agree to join Isabella's crew or having Fenris enlist Isabella in tracking down his sister would have been better.


It's like that for all the "non-Hawke" party romances. Carver never gets Merrill, Bethany never gets Sebastian, and Fenris and Isabella never connect emotionally. I approve of the idea but not the execution.

[thats1evildude]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I think the inter-party relationships give the companions additional depth and nuance. It makes complete sense for people who have adventured together for so many years to meet and interact outside of said adventuring and romps, away from the spiders and dragons. So we hear about card games at the Hanged Man and solstice parties - it simply adds layers, makes them less static and much more interesting.

I'm not especially keen on the companion-companion romances, but that
could just be my own bias regarding Isabela's relationship with my canon
Hawke. Selfish of me, I know.

I agree with your first point, but less with your second. I don't mind the other party members "hooking up" when I don't romance them. I think Bethany's crush on Sebastian is cute, and if I'm not romancing Isabela, I don't object to her pouncing on Fenris.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 13 octobre 2011 - 06:45 .

[NichaelBluth]

thats1evildude wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I think the inter-party relationships give the companions additional depth and nuance. It makes complete sense for people who have adventured together for so many years to meet and interact outside of said adventuring and romps, away from the spiders and dragons. So we hear about card games at the Hanged Man and solstice parties - it simply adds layers, makes them less static and much more interesting.

I'm not especially keen on the companion-companion romances, but that
could just be my own bias regarding Isabela's relationship with my canon
Hawke. Selfish of me, I know.

I agree with your first point, but less with your second. I don't mind the other party members "hooking up" when I don't romance them. I think Bethany's crush on Sebastian is cute, and if I'm not romancing Isabela, I don't object to her pouncing on Fenris.

I also agree. I'd like to see these interactions fleshed out in future BioWare games. And instead of just hearing about the companions hanging out together, it'd be nice to actually see that one or two times.

[Fidget6]

I actually wish we could see more of the companions developing relationships with each other (including romantic ones.) I mean they're all traveling together for  a very long time, so really they should all be forming very strong bonds and opinions about each other. It would also be cool to see companions jealous if you date a party member they have feelings for rather than everyone just being jealous of the person dating Hawke (we did see a little bit of that with Bethany and Sebastian in Legacy)

Modifié par Fidget6, 13 octobre 2011 - 07:00 .

[The Big Nothing]

"Intra-companion"? As in, the relationship between the stomach and intestines?

[Zanallen]

The Big Nothing wrote...

"Intra-companion"? As in, the relationship between the stomach and intestines?

Meh, I get intra and inter confused at times. Luckily, everyone else understood the point I was making.

[whykikyouwhy]

Well, the stomach and intestines do have a harmonious and symbiotic relationship...