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Reliable ways to set up Stagger and Brittle?

Débuté par Guest_Rojahar_* , oct. 13 2011 08:19

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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 08:19

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The spells which cause Brittle say they have a 100% chance of causing it on frozen targets. I assume that means it will only cause Brittle if the target is also frozen by the spell. Bosses, however, can't be frozen (Can they?) so does that mean there's no way to make a boss Briddle through ice magic? If bosses can be frozen though, or if the Brittle effect can be applied independent of the freeze effect, is there still a 100% chance of causing Brittle (when talented to do so) or is the chance reduced on boss rank enemies?

Also, would something like Pommel Strike's Stagger effect work on bosses too? I'm looking for some ways to reliably (not rarely or too randomly) cause Brittle and Stagger without a Primal Mage or Shield Warrior.

Modifié par Rojahar, 13 octobre 2011 - 08:23 .

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andraip
Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 12:54

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Brittle is a little bit tricky, your best way to apply it on a boss without Dessicate is, well, trying. The chance is reduced but you should get some brittles none the less. Normal bosses can be frozen easily with ice spells (lesser chance then against normals, but the same goes against Dessicate), I guess Elite bosses too, but with low chance.

For staggers the best way is simply Shield Bash, 100% chance. Without it Pommel Strike works second best, altough I think it won't work against stun immune enemies. But with Sunder + Cleave your basic attacks should have a fair chance, considering a high attack speed (Haste, double Haste, Fervor, Barrage, Primeval Lyrium rune).

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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 01:09

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Thanks for the info!

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Linkforlife
Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 01:25

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Sunder, from what I heard is bugged and I have not heard if it has been fixed as of yet, but I am pretty sure Cleave with Claymore (it's upgrade) still works fairly well.

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andraip
Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 04:42

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Sunder is bugged, yes, you don't the + crit chance. The stagger works.

Howevver there are several fixes.

For PC you can just add the 10% crit chance on your save file

For all platforms there is a fix with using a one-handed weapon somehow, before saving or dunno what, I play on PC, so I just add it in the save file.

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Quething
Posté 14 octobre 2011 - 06:31

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There's also a mod if you're on the PC, which will save you tedious save editing.

I think some bosses are just inherently immune to certain CCC statuses, as well. But yes, generally BRITTLE is the hardest status to apply. I'd have let Entropy mages toss it on with Shackling Hex too, maybe.

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seraphymon
Posté 14 octobre 2011 - 07:18

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yes if you switch to a one hander it removes the crit gained by sunder, thereby when you save it wont acknowledge the sunder talent, and thereby wont screw you over. Once you reload and switch back to two hander you then gain the crit chance back.

Modifié par seraphymon, 14 octobre 2011 - 07:18 .

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 01:31

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I did some testing and Pommel Strike ONLY causes stagger if it stuns the target, as the tooltip implies... meaning you can't use it to stagger anything worth staggering. I knew about Sunder and Claymore, but those are too unreliable. I wish there was a way Fenris could stagger a boss on-command, like Aveline can. It feels like there isn't a lot of freedom and variety for making builds that take advantage of CCC.

However, as an FYI to anyone interested in a reliable stagger with a 2h warrior, Devour (Reaver Talent) is perfect, though only a warrior Hawke gets access to it, and quite a few levels in.

Modifié par Rojahar, 16 octobre 2011 - 01:32 .

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Spartansfan8888
Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 03:40

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I think pommel strike will still "stun" a boss, meaning the "stun" marker appears above their head, but they won't actually be immobilized. Perhaps this was fixed in a patch but I'm sure I've STAGGERED ancient rock wraith and high dragon with pommel strike.

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AreleX
Posté 17 octobre 2011 - 04:56

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post-patch, the best way to proc stagger is shield bash...and that's it

patch destroyed the stagger ccc

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Homologous Trend
Posté 17 octobre 2011 - 11:33

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Shield Bash for stagger. Pommel Strike/Blow not worth the points.

Desiccate is highest probability for brittle, but limited to one mob. Winter's Blast does it reliably against normals and somewhat reliably against Lieutenants (I believe the game calls them "Elite" now?), and will often catch multiple adjacent mobs. I haven't tried the upgrade to Cone of Cold yet.

With regard to bosses, I think you are stuck with Shield Bash and Desiccate, but I don't remember for sure if I've ever frozen any and you may occasionally get lucky with a snowball.

Off topic (sort of), but I think Disorienting Shot works to apply that status to bosses pretty reliably, so maybe focus some CCC love on the underappreciated disorientation effect.
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