337 réponses à ce sujet

[Cutlass Jack]

Damn this thread had nothing to do with Bioware promos at Taco Bell.

[happy_daiz]

We used to have a Taco Bell in the middle of one of our malls, and one day I was walking by after they'd just gotten a food delivery, and noticed a box of "beef" on their counter, labeled "Grade F, But Edible".  

What part of the cow do you think Grade F beef comes from? 

That ended my harmonious relationship with Taco Bell (until I tried their chicken quesadillas, many years later).

And that right there was a tangent.

Edit: Disclaimer: that whole thing was about 20 years ago.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 13 octobre 2011 - 02:58 .

[Everwarden]

happy_daiz wrote...
We used to have a Taco Bell in the middle of one of our malls, and one day I was walking by after they'd just gotten a food delivery, and noticed a box of "beef" on their counter, labeled "Grade F, But Edible".  

So what you're saying is that Dragon Age 2 is a "Grade F, but playable" game? I agree.  

[happy_daiz]

Everwarden wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...
We used to have a Taco Bell in the middle of one of our malls, and one day I was walking by after they'd just gotten a food delivery, and noticed a box of "beef" on their counter, labeled "Grade F, But Edible".  

So what you're saying is that Dragon Age 2 is a "Grade F, but playable" game? I agree.  

Aww, that is not what I said. I see what you did there. 

[LadyJaneGrey]

happy_daiz wrote...

We used to have a Taco Bell in the middle of one of our malls, and one day I was walking by after they'd just gotten a food delivery, and noticed a box of "beef" on their counter, labeled "Grade F, But Edible".  

What part of the cow do you think Grade F beef comes from? 

That ended my harmonious relationship with Taco Bell (until I tried their chicken quesadillas, many years later).

And that right there was a tangent.

Now I'm wondering what parts of the chicken they use. 

*Decides to keep packing homemade salads for lunches.*

[mousestalker]

Everwarden wrote...
TL;DR version: Bioware changing from what they do best to get the Call of Duty fanbase is a bit like Taco Bell making bad tacoburgers to get the McDonald's fanbase. Taco Bell does fine making tacos, and if they want to make a taco burger they should take their time and make a good one. Or else they risk losing their taco-loving fanbase. 

You're making a false assumption and that makes the comparison suspect.

"Taco Bell does fine making tacos" is patently untrue. Taco Bell makes mediocre fast food at inexpensive price points. Bioware has made some awesome games. They have made mediocre games. All of their games have been competitively priced, but not priced under the market.

Taco Bell would only lose their fanbase (and applying that word to Taco Bell makes me weep for the future of humanity) if they began selling their wares at authentic taqueria prices.

In comparing Bioware to Taco Bell, you aren't comparing apples to oranges, you're comparing the Hoover Dam to AMC Pacers.

[TEWR]

mousestalker wrote...

Everwarden wrote...
TL;DR version: Bioware changing from what they do best to get the Call of Duty fanbase is a bit like Taco Bell making bad tacoburgers to get the McDonald's fanbase. Taco Bell does fine making tacos, and if they want to make a taco burger they should take their time and make a good one. Or else they risk losing their taco-loving fanbase. 

You're making a false assumption and that makes the comparison suspect.

"Taco Bell does fine making tacos" is patently untrue. Taco Bell makes mediocre fast food at inexpensive price points. Bioware has made some awesome games. They have made mediocre games. All of their games have been competitively priced, but not priced under the market.

Taco Bell would only lose their fanbase (and applying that word to Taco Bell makes me weep for the future of humanity) if they began selling their wares at authentic taqueria prices.

In comparing Bioware to Taco Bell, you aren't comparing apples to oranges, you're comparing the Hoover Dam to AMC Pacers.

I agree that Taco Bell doesn't make quality fast food. Every time I order a giant burrito thingie it's like 90% rice. I have to ask for extra meat in the burrito just for it to taste like it should.

Still.... it's damn good.

[OldMan91]

Just to give some fresh input on the actual subject-matter of your amusing analogy rather than discussing the specifics of fast food nutrition...

It's a decent analogy. I certainly agree that Bioware should keep their focus on what they do best, rather than trying to appeal to other market segments. The problem lies in the fact that Bioware is... a company. Or was a company. Or I should say, EA is a company. Increasing profit margins is of course the main task, goal, objective or carrot dangling from a stick. Reaching out to new consumers is the best way to do that.

[mousestalker]

Fast food ground meat comes from very tough and stringy dairy cows for the most part. The beef isn't tainted, it's just not what you would want as a steak. Ground up, the toughness doesn't matter and it's a lot leaner than beef raised for meat.

Just FYI, the beef grade typically used for fast food burgers is commercial.

[Yrkoon]

jds1bio wrote...

Um, Taco Bell doesn't give out a bonus for pre-ordering your meal early. Or a free meal just because you bought a particular meal.

Aah yes.  Nit-picking time.

For that matter,   Taco Bell doesn't charge you  $5 for Hot Sauce and Napkins and then try to pass it off as: "the Taco Bell Item Pack".

lol

Modifié par Yrkoon, 13 octobre 2011 - 03:53 .

[culletron1]

Yrkoon wrote...

When you bite a burrito, something awesome has to happen.  Burrito-Awesome. lol

lol

[casamar]

Can anyone tell me how this is related to DA2? Otherwise this should be in Off-Topic

[Yrkoon]

^a comparison is being made to DA2, and a question is being asked.

What happens if Taco Bell were to "alienate" their core consumer base by changing their menu items so as to try to appeal to the burger crowd?

While not a perfect analogy, it's nonetheless a valid commentary on the change from DA:O to DA2, in which the latter attempts to draw in a different audience by drastically changing DA:O's formula

Modifié par Yrkoon, 13 octobre 2011 - 03:59 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Revised TLDR for the OP: WAAAAAAH.

[HK-90210]

Just nitpicking, OP, but you say you "order you're usual". This would be like ordering another copy of DA:O or ME or KOTOR. Games are a very different form of product than food. You get them once(maybe twice in some cases). Metaphor does not fit.

Getting DA2 was like getting the new item on the menu. You didn't like it. It wasn't what you expected. Get over it.

Modifié par CastonFolarus, 13 octobre 2011 - 04:06 .

[hoorayforicecream]

If you don't like the food at a restaurant, why hang around it and yell at the customers who do?

[Yrkoon]

CastonFolarus wrote...

Just nitpicking, OP, but you say you "order you're usual". This would be like ordering another copy of DA:O or ME or KOTOR. Games are a very different form of product than food. You get them once(maybe twice in some cases). Metaphor does not fit.

Getting DA2 was like getting the new item on the menu. You didn't like it. It wasn't what you expected. Get over it.

I'd argue that the "usual" here would be "an RPG"... Or in Taco Bell's case, "mexican food"....but then receiving a Burger.

And no, Getting DA2 is NOT like getting a new item on the menu. A new item on the menu would have a different name. But the game we're talking about is still called Dragon Age, isn't it.

hoorayforicecream wrote...

If you don't like the food at a restaurant, why hang around it and yell at the customers who do?

Man, you guys suck at  disecting Analogies.

He was talking to the manager.  Granted, not even a Taco Bell store manager has the power to change the menu.  But short of an avaliable CEO or major shareholder, talking to the manager and/or the public is the next best thing.

  And who cares.    It's not a crime, is it. When New Coke was released,   it wasn't "wrong" to voice disapproval  while in the presense of its fans.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 13 octobre 2011 - 04:24 .

[Joy Divison]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

If you don't like the food at a restaurant, why hang around it and yell at the customers who do?

He's yelling at the management

[HK-90210]

Yrkoon wrote...

CastonFolarus wrote...

Just nitpicking, OP, but you say you "order you're usual". This would be like ordering another copy of DA:O or ME or KOTOR. Games are a very different form of product than food. You get them once(maybe twice in some cases). Metaphor does not fit.

Getting DA2 was like getting the new item on the menu. You didn't like it. It wasn't what you expected. Get over it.

I'd argue that the "usual" here would be "an RPG"... Or in Taco Bell's case "mexican food"....but then receiving a Burger.

And no, Getting DA2 is NOT like getting a new item on the menu. A new item on the menu would have a different name. But the game we're talking about is still called Dragon Age, isn't it.

You see, i'd argue that if BW is the restaurant, then each product they come out with is an item on the menu. So if you're ordering your "usual", you are ordering an item you've had before, and you know you like it. DA2 was the new item. BW said it would be different(arguements about how different or in what ways, or how good of a game it is are for other threads). In this metahphor, it's not like BW can go out and say that DA2 is a burger, because people's interpretations on what constitutes burgers and tacos are very different.

So in the OP metaphor story DA2 was the new item. You had never played DA2, it was a new release, and no BW game is the same game. Ergo it was not you're "usual".

[hoorayforicecream]

Joy Divison wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

If you don't like the food at a restaurant, why hang around it and yell at the customers who do?

He's yelling at the management

Sure, he's yelling at the management from inside the restaurant, in full view of the patrons who both are and aren't enjoying the food, when the management isn't even responding directly. I don't see any management here. I see other customers who agree and disagree with him.

Not everyone hated DA2. I get it, you didn't like it. When I eat at a restaurant and dislike the food, I just stop patronizing the restaurant. This course of action, especially 7 months after launch, seems more the action of a jilted lover than an unhappy diner.

[Yrkoon]

CastonFolarus wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

CastonFolarus wrote...

Just nitpicking, OP, but you say you "order you're usual". This would be like ordering another copy of DA:O or ME or KOTOR. Games are a very different form of product than food. You get them once(maybe twice in some cases). Metaphor does not fit.

Getting DA2 was like getting the new item on the menu. You didn't like it. It wasn't what you expected. Get over it.

I'd argue that the "usual" here would be "an RPG"... Or in Taco Bell's case "mexican food"....but then receiving a Burger.

And no, Getting DA2 is NOT like getting a new item on the menu. A new item on the menu would have a different name. But the game we're talking about is still called Dragon Age, isn't it.

You see, i'd argue that if BW is the restaurant, then each product they come out with is an item on the menu. So if you're ordering your "usual", you are ordering an item you've had before, and you know you like it. DA2 was the new item. BW said it would be different(arguements about how different or in what ways, or how good of a game it is are for other threads). In this metahphor, it's not like BW can go out and say that DA2 is a burger, because people's interpretations on what constitutes burgers and tacos are very different.

So in the OP metaphor story DA2 was the new item. You had never played DA2, it was a new release, and no BW game is the same game. Ergo it was not you're "usual".

Ok,

If you love Taco Bell Tacos, and you go to Taco bell and notice that they've suddenly created a New item called "Taco 2" you expect it to still be a friggin taco, not a Burger.

THATS the point of the OP's argument.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 13 octobre 2011 - 04:37 .

[Mr.House]

Yrkoon wrote...

CastonFolarus wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

CastonFolarus wrote...

Just nitpicking, OP, but you say you "order you're usual". This would be like ordering another copy of DA:O or ME or KOTOR. Games are a very different form of product than food. You get them once(maybe twice in some cases). Metaphor does not fit.

Getting DA2 was like getting the new item on the menu. You didn't like it. It wasn't what you expected. Get over it.

I'd argue that the "usual" here would be "an RPG"... Or in Taco Bell's case "mexican food"....but then receiving a Burger.

And no, Getting DA2 is NOT like getting a new item on the menu. A new item on the menu would have a different name. But the game we're talking about is still called Dragon Age, isn't it.

You see, i'd argue that if BW is the restaurant, then each product they come out with is an item on the menu. So if you're ordering your "usual", you are ordering an item you've had before, and you know you like it. DA2 was the new item. BW said it would be different(arguements about how different or in what ways, or how good of a game it is are for other threads). In this metahphor, it's not like BW can go out and say that DA2 is a burger, because people's interpretations on what constitutes burgers and tacos are very different.

So in the OP metaphor story DA2 was the new item. You had never played DA2, it was a new release, and no BW game is the same game. Ergo it was not you're "usual".

Ok,

If you love Taco Bell Tacos, and you go to Taco bell and notice that they've suddenly created a New item called "Taco 2" you expect it to still be a friggin taco, not a Burger.

THATS the point of the OP's argument.

DAO is a RPG, DA2 is an rpg. There is no issue.

[Joy Divison]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Sure, he's yelling at the management from inside the restaurant, in full view of the patrons who both are and aren't enjoying the food, when the management isn't even responding directly. I don't see any management here. I see other customers who agree and disagree with him.

Not everyone hated DA2. I get it, you didn't like it. When I eat at a restaurant and dislike the food, I just stop patronizing the restaurant. This course of action, especially 7 months after launch, seems more the action of a jilted lover than an unhappy diner.

Though I see if you are a satisfied customer, you'd  feel the need to argue with the guy yelling at management

[HK-90210]

Yrkoon wrote...

CastonFolarus wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

CastonFolarus wrote...

Just nitpicking, OP, but you say you "order you're usual". This would be like ordering another copy of DA:O or ME or KOTOR. Games are a very different form of product than food. You get them once(maybe twice in some cases). Metaphor does not fit.

Getting DA2 was like getting the new item on the menu. You didn't like it. It wasn't what you expected. Get over it.

I'd argue that the "usual" here would be "an RPG"... Or in Taco Bell's case "mexican food"....but then receiving a Burger.

And no, Getting DA2 is NOT like getting a new item on the menu. A new item on the menu would have a different name. But the game we're talking about is still called Dragon Age, isn't it.

You see, i'd argue that if BW is the restaurant, then each product they come out with is an item on the menu. So if you're ordering your "usual", you are ordering an item you've had before, and you know you like it. DA2 was the new item. BW said it would be different(arguements about how different or in what ways, or how good of a game it is are for other threads). In this metahphor, it's not like BW can go out and say that DA2 is a burger, because people's interpretations on what constitutes burgers and tacos are very different.

So in the OP metaphor story DA2 was the new item. You had never played DA2, it was a new release, and no BW game is the same game. Ergo it was not you're "usual".

Ok,

If you love Taco Bell Tacos, and you go to taco bell and notice that they've suddenly created a New item called "Taco 2" you expect it to still be a friggin taco, not a Burger.

THATS the point of the OP's argument.

Yes, you'd expect Dragon Age to be a Dragon Age game. It was. It takes place in the same universe, it continues the chronology. But the OP was arguing that tacos=RPGs and Burgurs=not. DA2 was not titled RPG 2. Leeway can be expected.

Plus, I and others still consider DA2 to be an RPG, because what we consider an RPG differs from what the OP considers an RPG. So, from my point of view, DA 2 was still a taco. And I enjoyed it. Very tasty. Just didn't have quite the variety of vegtables that I wanted. But still a damn good meal, as all things I've gotten from the BW restaurant have been.
I'm just saying that the metaphor here is flawed.

Modifié par CastonFolarus, 13 octobre 2011 - 04:50 .

[hoorayforicecream]

Joy Divison wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Sure, he's yelling at the management from inside the restaurant, in full view of the patrons who both are and aren't enjoying the food, when the management isn't even responding directly. I don't see any management here. I see other customers who agree and disagree with him.

Not everyone hated DA2. I get it, you didn't like it. When I eat at a restaurant and dislike the food, I just stop patronizing the restaurant. This course of action, especially 7 months after launch, seems more the action of a jilted lover than an unhappy diner.

Though I see if you are a satisfied customer, you'd  feel the need to argue with the guy yelling at management

He's making my dining experience unpleasant. I just hope he leaves soon, so I can eat my meal in peace.