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[Morty Smith]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Instead, think of yourself at a buffet type restaurant. The restaurant has done a study of the kinds of food enjoyed by people in your area, in your state/province, in your part of the country. Up here in Edmonton, that would be standard North American far as well as Ukrainian food and Chinese food. The restaurant is trying to please the greatest number of people possible, but cannot possibly accommodate every individual's tastes or preferences.

This particular restaurant sadly assumed that a half cooked exotic looking dish with spices of a more well known dish is what most people wanted.  

[dheer]

Stanley Woo wrote...
*snip*

That might work as an analogy if the restaurant hadn't been blasting the airwaves with advertising and interviews talking about how great Taco Buffet Night part Deux is going to be. Clearly, they were talking about how great tacos are, how this is the same taco you love, only new and how it'll allow more people to love tacos just like you do.

Your customers then show up for Taco Buffet Night part Deux only to find you're serving bologna sandwiches in the shape of a taco with a spicy mustard and flashy packaging to try to make it hip with a larger crowd. Half your customers walk out of your place, many telling their friends how awful your new tacos are. The other half are split into people that are really digging this new take on tacos while others just shrugged and went on to look for other meals.

I, of course, prefered your classic tacos with a view from above so I could control my meal more precisely. I cared enough about them that I'm still here, hoping to at least show you that I, and others like me loved many of your previous dishes and hope to help you find the right path back to making something delicious again.

[_Aine_]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Damn this thread had nothing to do with Bioware promos at Taco Bell.

And here i was hoping for a burrito pet promo in the next DLC.  

[Kuramyra]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Damn this thread had nothing to do with Bioware promos at Taco Bell.

My hopes were crushed as well, tacos and Bioware games? Sounds like a great evening~

Or 3 days without sunlight but w/e.

[Gotholhorakh]

Wait, Taco Bell do burgers now?!

I am totally going to go there instead of McDonalds on Saturday, I have to try this out it, sounds awesome!















(not really - I thought the OP was a good post.  Also, I have never eaten at Taco Bell and I'm getting the impression
I've missed nothing)

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 13 octobre 2011 - 09:18 .

[DadeLeviathan]

Oh look, it's this thread again. I can understand when people aren't happy with a designer's direction. While I liked Dragon Age 2, I didn't like it as much as DA:O and think they made a few bad and/or unnecessary game design decisions. However, that doesn't mean they are changing their products or trying to alienate people. Bioware still makes RPGs, I would imagine that Bioware will always make RPGs.

Just because they experiment with new ideas does not mean they are "ruining their products," or other such nonsense. 

Modifié par DadeLeviathan, 13 octobre 2011 - 09:30 .

[KilrB]

DadeLeviathan wrote...

Oh look, it's this thread again. I can understand when people aren't happy with a designer's direction. While I liked Dragon Age 2, I didn't like it as much as DA:O and think they made a few bad and/or unnecessary game design decisions. However, that doesn't mean they are changing their products or trying to alienate people. Bioware still makes RPGs, I would imagine that Bioware will always make RPGs.

Just because they experiment with new ideas does not mean they are "ruining their products," or other such nonsense. 

Can you name one they've made since DA:Origins?

.... <_<

I thought not. 

[Everwarden]

Stanley Woo wrote...
The restaurant is trying to please the greatest number of people possible, but cannot possibly accommodate every individual's tastes or preferences.

Well it clearly didn't work, considering the fanbase reaction and the fact that, to the shock of no one but Bioware, Call of Duty fans are still busy playing Call of Duty. Naturally not -every- taste can be accounted for, but Bioware does have a well established audience whose tastes were almost completely ignored. 

Nothing personal against you, of course, Mr. Woo. 

Likewise, your individual ideas of what the buffet should serve is immaterial. you can suggest things the restaurant should offer in the future or tell the restaurant which foods you hate, but ultimately, it is up to the restaurant to determine what kinds of foods the majority of their diners would want based on market research, past history, and maybe comment cards, restaurant reviews and current trends in food.

Your taco buffet sold about twice as well as your FDA-recalled pig carcass buffet. And, let's be honest, half of the people who tried the pig carcass feast were doing it only because of how very, very much they loved your tacos.

DadeLeviathan wrote...
Oh look, it's this thread again. 

Find me another thread with a brilliantly appropriate and knee-slappingly hilarious taco analogy. Checkmate, sir!

CastonFolarus wrote...
Getting DA2 was like getting the new item on the menu. You didn't like it. It wasn't what you expected.

Except that when a food product is purchased based on a false advertisement and you yell at management, you can get a refund, or perhaps a tasty enchirito exchange. 

Just kidding, enchiritos are terrible. The point still stands, though.

Get over it.

I am 'over it'. Are you really taking a Taco Bell analogy this seriously, mate?

 

Modifié par Everwarden, 13 octobre 2011 - 10:44 .

[Dubya75]

Kroitz wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Instead, think of yourself at a buffet type restaurant. The restaurant has done a study of the kinds of food enjoyed by people in your area, in your state/province, in your part of the country. Up here in Edmonton, that would be standard North American far as well as Ukrainian food and Chinese food. The restaurant is trying to please the greatest number of people possible, but cannot possibly accommodate every individual's tastes or preferences.

This particular restaurant sadly assumed that a half cooked exotic looking dish with spices of a more well known dish is what most people wanted.  

Yes, so Bioware made a few mistakes with the base game. However, they are also listening to feedback and providing us with awesome DLCs if you haven't noticed. 
So my question to you is this: WHAT THE HELL DO YOU WANT? Do you want them to turn back time and start over?
Get on with your life! It is what it is, we're trying to move forward here. Stop whining like a child about how bad DA2 was!

Unbelievable...

Modifié par Dubya75, 13 octobre 2011 - 10:52 .

[Everwarden]

Dubya75 wrote...
Yes, so Bioware made a few mistakes with the base game. However, they are also listening to feedback and providing us with awesome DLCs if you haven't noticed. 

So I've heard. That's a good start.

So my question to you is this: WHAT THE HELL DO YOU WANT? Do you want them to turn back time and start over?
Get on with your life! It is what it is, we're trying to move forward here. Stop whining like a child about how bad DA2 was!

Unbelievable...

You're getting really worked up over what is a pretty light, jovial thread. Take a step back, have a taco, and chill. 

Oh, and regarding what the hell I want: I want a taco. Or for Bioware to stop taking their customer base for granted and make games for their primary audience again. That doesn't mean that they can't change anything, that means that the product they sell should be made with the fans they -already- have in mind. 

Modifié par Everwarden, 13 octobre 2011 - 10:57 .

[Captain_Obvious]

Why do people keep assuming there are the Bioware fans and the Call of Duty fans and never the two shall meet? Is it really so hard to believe that one person will drink both Pepsi and Coke? Is it so hard to realize that people who eat burgers like salads? What the heck is with this false dichotomy?

I play tons of games in different genres, that doesn't somehow make me one of them or one of us. I play action games, I play RPGs, I play card games, I play board games, heck, I've even launched Angry Birds because the people at work wouldn't shut up about it. You know what else? I liked DA2 more than DA:O, and I'm looking forward to ME3 multiplayer because I've never played mulitiplayer before.

I'll give you a better restaurant analogy. You got some mashed potatoes on your plate, and you're upset because the gravy just ran over a bit and is touching them, and you don't like gravy. Now you want a whole new plate cuz the gravy just ruined it. Meanwhile, I just sort push the little part with the gravy off to the side, cuz I don't want to eat it either. You can wait for a plate of new food, and I can enjoy my mashed potatoes. Make sense?

[Everwarden]

Captain_Obvious wrote...
 Make sense?

No, unfortunately. 

[Reno_Tarshil]

I came to this thread expecting promotional codes for in game dlc at Taco Bell, giving me a reason to go and get me a delicious Beefy Cheesey 5 Layer Colon Cleaner Burrito.

I am dissapointed. HOWEVER, I read through the thread and I must be out of the loop of things because since when did Taco Bell start serving Taco Burgers?

[Everwarden]

Reno_Tarshil wrote...
I am dissapointed. HOWEVER, I read through the thread and I must be out of the loop of things because since when did Taco Bell start serving Taco Burgers?

That's why you have to use your imagination hat, friend. Taco Bell would never do something as silly as courting the McDonald's fanbase by insulting their current one. 

[Captain_Obvious]

Everwarden wrote...

That's why you have to use your imagination hat, friend. Taco Bell would never do something as silly as courting the McDonald's fanbase by insulting their current one. 

How do you get from adding something customers might like to insulting customers?  I don't understand. 

[Everwarden]

Captain_Obvious wrote...
How do you get from adding something customers might like to insulting customers?  I don't understand. 

Well, I think anyone should find this incredibly insulting: 

They're not only making a game they know their main fanbase isn't going to enjoy, but also insulting the action game fanbase (hell, I play action games, too) by assuming they'll take any drivel and eat it up. Further, they lied and pretended that Dragon Age 2 would have the same depth as Origins in their marketing, just with a fresh new graphical theme and narrative style. It's like they thought no one would notice that the game didn't actually meet any of the standards they set themselves. 

Modifié par Everwarden, 14 octobre 2011 - 12:05 .

[Zanallen]

If Demolition Man taught me anything, it is that in the future all restaurants will be Taco Bell. As such, I assume you are referring to how talented Bioware is and that, in the future, you want all video game developers to be Bioware.

[Stanley Woo]

Everwarden wrote...
Well, as a thinking human being I think anyone above the age of four should find this incredibly insulting: 

They're not only making a game they know their main fanbase isn't going to enjoy, but also insulting the action game fanbase (hell, I play action games, too) by assuming they'll take any drivel and eat it up. Further, they lied and pretended that Dragon Age 2 would have the same depth as Origins in their marketing, just with a fresh new graphical theme and narrative style. It's like they thought no one would notice that the game didn't actually meet any of the standards they set themselves. 

You're starting down the road of sensationlist hyperbole and insulting those who disagree with you, Everwarden. We can disagree with each other without belittling those with different tastes.

[Captain_Obvious]

Everwarden wrote...

Well, as a thinking human being I think anyone above the age of four should find this incredibly insulting: 

They're not only making a game they know their main fanbase isn't going to enjoy, but also insulting the action game fanbase (hell, I play action games, too) by assuming they'll take any drivel and eat it up. Further, they lied and pretended that Dragon Age 2 would have the same depth as Origins in their marketing, just with a fresh new graphical theme and narrative style. It's like they thought no one would notice that the game didn't actually meet any of the standards they set themselves. 

Sorry, but you must have missed the part in my post above where I wrote that I liked DA2 more than Origins.  I'm going to assume that you didn't really read that part because you were so enamored of this whole "I'm a real fan so beware my entitled fan rage" thing that you seem to have going on.  Anyway, I hope you try out the multiplayer, you might like it.  Have a nice day. 

[Everwarden]

You're starting down the road of sensationlist hyperbole and insulting those who disagree with you, Everwarden. We can disagree with each other without belittling those with different tastes.

I'm not belittling anyone, I'm just defending my position. I really do think the button-awesome (along with all of Bioware and EA's marketing, really) is condescending, bordering on being an outright insult. No one else has to agree with me, just stating my case.

Modifié par Everwarden, 13 octobre 2011 - 11:52 .

[Everwarden]

Captain_Obvious wrote...
Sorry, but you must have missed the part in my post above where I wrote that I liked DA2 more than Origins.

I'm happy for you. Most people who played both didn't.

I'm going to assume that you didn't really read that part because you were so enamored of this whole "I'm a real fan so beware my entitled fan rage" thing that you seem to have going on.

Why does the word 'entitled' always come up? Bioware isn't a charity, people, they're a business. I'm not entitled to anything free from them, their not entitled to anything from me (including a sale). However, when I give Bioware currency for a product, it isn't 'entitlement fan rage' to want the product advertised on the back of the box. Embellishment is one thing, but Dragon Age 2 was advertised as something it isn't.

Also, why must everyone assume that I'm 'raging'? I thought the topic was a rather humorous take on the situation.

[Anyroad2]

Everwarden wrote...

Reno_Tarshil wrote...
I am dissapointed. HOWEVER, I read through the thread and I must be out of the loop of things because since when did Taco Bell start serving Taco Burgers?

That's why you have to use your imagination hat, friend. Taco Bell would never do something as silly as courting the McDonald's fanbase by insulting their current one. 

Del Taco has awesome tacos, and they sell burgers that are pretty good too.

[Anyroad2]

Everwarden wrote...

You're starting down the road of sensationlist hyperbole and insulting those who disagree with you, Everwarden. We can disagree with each other without belittling those with different tastes.

I'm not belittling anyone, I'm just defending my position. I really do think the button-awesome (along with all of Bioware and EA's marketing, really) is condescending, bordering on being an outright insult. No one else has to agree with me, just stating my case.

Just want to point this out...

Everwarder wrote...
Well, as a thinking human being I think anyone above the age of four
should find this incredibly
insulting: 

I'm a thinking human as well, and I'm well over the age of four. I do not find "Hit a button and something awesome happens" to be insulting at all. I feel it made DA2s combat a lot more fun. Does that mean that Im either brainless or younger than the age of four? Thats pretty belittling.

[Everwarden]

Anyroad2 wrote...

Everwarden wrote...

You're starting down the road of sensationlist hyperbole and insulting those who disagree with you, Everwarden. We can disagree with each other without belittling those with different tastes.

I'm not belittling anyone, I'm just defending my position. I really do think the button-awesome (along with all of Bioware and EA's marketing, really) is condescending, bordering on being an outright insult. No one else has to agree with me, just stating my case.

Just want to point this out...

Everwarder wrote...
Well, as a thinking human being I think anyone above the age of four
should find this incredibly
insulting: 

I'm a thinking human as well, and I'm well over the age of four. I do not find "Hit a button and something awesome happens" to be insulting at all. I feel it made DA2s combat a lot more fun. Does that mean that Im either brainless or younger than the age of four? Thats pretty belittling.

That's fair. I edited it.