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[Mr.House]

This thread is making me hungry.

[Reno_Tarshil]

thats1evildude wrote...

I still can't figure out how they use the three seashells.

Google has the answer

http://www.pooprepor...lved_kinda.html

[Gibb_Shepard]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I kinda liked it. It was creative and gave us an interesting hook for the discussion.

Funny how it made more sense than yours.

[Everwarden]

Reno_Tarshil wrote...
http://www.pooprepor...lved_kinda.html

...wut?

Oh, nevermind. I'd rather not know.

[LPPrince]

I'm still a little pissed that the the thread title made me think there was a cross promotion between Bioware, EA, and Taco Bell.

And by pissed, I mean hungry.

Modifié par LPPrince, 14 octobre 2011 - 06:19 .

[Morty Smith]

LPPrince wrote...

I'm still a little pissed that the the thread title made me think there was a cross promotion between Bioware, EA, and Taco Bell.

And by pissed, I mean hungry.

I´m still amused by that statement.

And by amused, I mean the more I read the same sentence over and over it gets less funny.

Please stop.

[Dubya75]

Everwarden wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...
Yes, so Bioware made a few mistakes with the base game. However, they are also listening to feedback and providing us with awesome DLCs if you haven't noticed. 

So I've heard. That's a good start.

So my question to you is this: WHAT THE HELL DO YOU WANT? Do you want them to turn back time and start over?
Get on with your life! It is what it is, we're trying to move forward here. Stop whining like a child about how bad DA2 was!

Unbelievable...

You're getting really worked up over what is a pretty light, jovial thread. Take a step back, have a taco, and chill. 

Oh, and regarding what the hell I want: I want a taco. Or for Bioware to stop taking their customer base for granted and make games for their primary audience again. That doesn't mean that they can't change anything, that means that the product they sell should be made with the fans they -already- have in mind. 

Errrm, I wasn't replying to you mate.

[Yrkoon]

Lenimph wrote...

Taco Bell made me get a stomach illness that included projectile vomit...

That's a bug.

it will be addressed in the next patch.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 14 octobre 2011 - 09:49 .

[uberdowzen]

@ Everwarden, what if you try the "taco-burger hybrid monstrosity" and discover that it is delicious, it just needs a few more spices (e.g. development time and extra maps)?

[Everwarden]

uberdowzen wrote...

@ Everwarden, what if you try the "taco-burger hybrid monstrosity" and discover that it is delicious, it just needs a few more spices (e.g. development time and extra maps)?

What it needed was to be more taco, less burger, and more thoroughly cooked. In other words, less dumbed down and with more time/effort involved. 

Also, less marketing tie-ins. God those were annoying. I really could see them having a Taco Bell redeemable code for a little Armored Antivan Sombrero for the protagonist to wear in Dragon Age 3 if they continue in the direction their going.

[Yrkoon]

uberdowzen wrote...

@ Everwarden, what if you try the "taco-burger hybrid monstrosity" and discover that it is delicious, it just needs a few more spices (e.g. development time and extra maps)?

 If I can redirect that question towards myself....

That would be a pleasant turn of events  (hey,  I never imagined I'd like the Taco-burger hybrid!   Cool.)    But   that doesn't address the real problem here, at least as  many DA2 critics  (like me) perceive it.

To  people like me,  DA2's problems   exist at the core-level.  They go much deeper than simply being un-spiced and under-cooked.   The entire direction  of the game from the ground up is just... wrong.  To use  the  taco metaphor again, it's like they replaced the ground beef with  Tofu, or something equally vile.   No amount of seasoning is going to fix that.

In my  humble, and extremely singular opinion,   Bioware should decide that Dragon Age will be their classic, traditional RPG, and then work   hard to make it the best one they've ever done.  They should leave their "hybriding" and their "experimentation" for  one of their  other wonderful-but-different IPs.  Is that too much to ask?

Modifié par Yrkoon, 14 octobre 2011 - 12:01 .

[LZA_FUNK]

Warden senses Tingling!!!!!!


 I actually had Tacoes today.. wait....wait....now time to take a dump on this thread


Now one else write on this troll  thread for forty to forty five minutes

If you hate the  game that much there's always Gamespot!!!!!

[Gunderic]

I would've changed up this part a bit:

"Do you know how much it takes to make tacos?"
"Why should I care? You're not the only taco vendors in the country. There are others happy and willing to make better tacos that don't care about the burger market. When I go to Taco Project, they don't give me an hour-long discourse about "Do you know how much that will cost?" or "Do you know how much that's selling by today's standards?"

They simply give me what I ordered.

[Everwarden]

LZA_FUNK wrote...
If you hate the  game that much there's always Gamespot!!!!!

Or here. Here is nice.

Since, y'know, you aren't the Queen of the Forums with the authority to banish those who disagree with you to Gamespot. 

[MorrigansLove]

The is the greatest, most idiotic, but insanely compelling thread I've ever read.

[Everwarden]

MorrigansLove wrote...

The is the greatest, most idiotic, but insanely compelling thread I've ever read.

The line between idiotic and brilliant is a thin one, miss. 

[RussianSpy27]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Everwarden, while your analogy was entertaining to read, your basic premise is a little misguided. At no time did you "order" a game. Neither Dragon Age Origins nor Dragon Age II were developed based on anything you did or anything you, as an individual, requested. In fact, you're not even at a taco restaurant.

Instead, think of yourself at a buffet type restaurant. The restaurant has done a study of the kinds of food enjoyed by people in your area, in your state/province, in your part of the country. Up here in Edmonton, that would be standard North American far as well as Ukrainian food and Chinese food. The restaurant is trying to please the greatest number of people possible, but cannot possibly accommodate every individual's tastes or preferences.

If you love tacos and want tacos, well, there's always the chance that the buffet restaurant may not have them on the menu. They might have them on the menu tomorrow, but perhaps they don't have them on the night you go to eat. When taking your order, your server isn't asking you "what would you like to eat?" but "would you like to partake of our buffet?" because all the work has already been done to set up the buffet and it's just waiting for people to say "yes" or "no," There might be a special option (for an extra charge) to partake of the buffet plus all-you-can-eat crab legs. Super yummy! Again, however, the crab legs have already been prepared and are just waiting for you to say "yes, i want that" or "no, I don't want that." Your order of "I'd like my usual" will make no sense to the server if your usual is a cheesy gordita, 3 beef hard tacos and extra hot sauce. The server isn't there to serve you, per se, but to facilitate your purchase of the buffet.

Likewise, your individual ideas of what the buffet should serve is immaterial. you can suggest things the restaurant should offer in the future or tell the restaurant which foods you hate, but ultimately, it is up to the restaurant to determine what kinds of foods the majority of their diners would want based on market research, past history, and maybe comment cards, restaurant reviews and current trends in food.

What happens when a buffet's customer base/cultural analysts make a mistake in thinking that for example new Ukrainian youth no longer like raw salty lard (pig fat) with a shot of vodka, but believe that they should be introduced to the North American popular regular bacon and a glass of Molson Dry?

They try it out and it turns out that many Ukrainians dislike the change of menu and wrote up negative reviews of it.  

Now what?

[jds1bio]

RussianSpy27 wrote...

What happens when a buffet's customer base/cultural analysts make a mistake in thinking that for example new Ukrainian youth no longer like raw salty lard (pig fat) with a shot of vodka, but believe that they should be introduced to the North American popular regular bacon and a glass of Molson Dry?

They try it out and it turns out that many Ukrainians dislike the change of menu and wrote up negative reviews of it.  

Now what?

You move quickly to acknowledge and respond to the negative reception, while making sure of what it is that was disliked.  Was it the bacon meat itself, or the way the bacon was cooked?  Did the beer get skunky too early, was the beer glass not chilled, or was it the way the beer was poured? 

Then in a short time you bring out a few smaller menu items, some catering to the known preferences of the eaters, while beginning work on the next great menu.

I think the question now is, for $10 which will be more memorable, a meal at Taco Bell, or Mark Of The Assassin?

[Drasanil]

jds1bio wrote...
I think the question now is, for $10 which will be more memorable, a meal at Taco Bell, or Mark Of The Assassin?

Clearly you've never had taco bell:whistle:

Any ways, while the DLC changes are nice in theory it really doesn't do much for those who didn't enjoy the game in the first place. Why would I (as some one who didn't like DA2) pay more money to replay a game I didn't like with a few extra hours of content with slightly better level design?

[Stanley Woo]

RussianSpy27 wrote...

What happens when a buffet's customer base/cultural analysts make a mistake in thinking that for example new Ukrainian youth no longer like raw salty lard (pig fat) with a shot of vodka, but believe that they should be introduced to the North American popular regular bacon and a glass of Molson Dry?

They try it out and it turns out that many Ukrainians dislike the change of menu and wrote up negative reviews of it.  

Now what?

Then things change slightly. Perhaps the restaurant starts serving "lard-and-vodka" less often and replaces it on those days with bacon-and-beer. I mean, it's one thing to say that Ukrainian youths no longer like something. it's something entirely different (and far more compelling) if the restaurant ends up with entire tubs of lard-and-vodka left over at the end of the night.

But the restaurant isn't only serving youths. It serves families, seniors, couples and even has a "plumbers welcome" sign on the front door. That lard-and-vodka dish would have to be generally disliked by a bunch of those different folks before the restaurant spends time and effort in coming up with a new dish.

In the case of the Dragon AGe II "buffet restaurant," we have addressed some of the player/fanbase/community complaints in our DLC. Both Legacy and Mark of the Assassin were well received by our community, and many of the comments indicate that we are indeed succeeding in removing or toning down some of the things most talked about here in the forums. As much as some of the critics would like us to somehow take the lessons we've learned and go back to make the original Dragon AGe II release better, that would require time travel, which hasn't really been invented yet, no matter how often you see it on British television programmes.

[Jamesnew2]

Stanley Woo wrote...

 time travel, which hasn't really been invented yet, no matter how often you see it on British television programmes.

as a english guy im guessing you watch doctor who

[KilrB]

Stanley Woo wrote...

RussianSpy27 wrote...

What happens when a buffet's customer base/cultural analysts make a mistake in thinking that for example new Ukrainian youth no longer like raw salty lard (pig fat) with a shot of vodka, but believe that they should be introduced to the North American popular regular bacon and a glass of Molson Dry?

They try it out and it turns out that many Ukrainians dislike the change of menu and wrote up negative reviews of it.  

Now what?

Then things change slightly. Perhaps the restaurant starts serving "lard-and-vodka" less often and replaces it on those days with bacon-and-beer. I mean, it's one thing to say that Ukrainian youths no longer like something. it's something entirely different (and far more compelling) if the restaurant ends up with entire tubs of lard-and-vodka left over at the end of the night.

But the restaurant isn't only serving youths. It serves families, seniors, couples and even has a "plumbers welcome" sign on the front door. That lard-and-vodka dish would have to be generally disliked by a bunch of those different folks before the restaurant spends time and effort in coming up with a new dish.

In the case of the Dragon AGe II "buffet restaurant," we have addressed some of the player/fanbase/community complaints in our DLC. Both Legacy and Mark of the Assassin were well received by our community, and many of the comments indicate that we are indeed succeeding in removing or toning down some of the things most talked about here in the forums. As much as some of the critics would like us to somehow take the lessons we've learned and go back to make the original Dragon AGe II release better, that would require time travel, which hasn't really been invented yet, no matter how often you see it on British television programmes.

So, your "community" now only includes only those who liked DA2 and bought the dlc?

Nice to know where of us (now apparently) former members who didn't like DA2 and refuse to pay for more of it now stand ...

[jds1bio]

Drasanil wrote...

jds1bio wrote...
I think the question now is, for $10 which will be more memorable, a meal at Taco Bell, or Mark Of The Assassin?

Clearly you've never had taco bell:whistle:

Any ways, while the DLC changes are nice in theory it really doesn't do much for those who didn't enjoy the game in the first place. Why would I (as some one who didn't like DA2) pay more money to replay a game I didn't like with a few extra hours of content with slightly better level design?

Thanks to this thread, I had Taco Bell for lunch (but I stay away from anything with "Supreme" in the title).  It's been quite a while, but so far all is well.

I suppose you wouldn't buy the DLC then, because it's not the game equivalent of the new-and-improved Director's Cut of a movie you didn't like when you saw it in the theater.  Is that what you wanted it to be?

[Stanley Woo]

KilrB wrote...
So, your "community" now only includes only those who liked DA2 and bought the dlc?

Nice to know where of us (now apparently) former members who didn't like DA2 and refuse to pay for more of it now stand ...

In this particular instance, since you have removed yourself from the group of people who have played Legacy and/or Mark of the Assassin and posted a review of it, yes, in this particular instance, when I say "well received by our community" I am excluding those who have not played and reviewed those things.

You are still part of the BioWare Social Network, you still have opinions and ideas regarding Dragon Age II, and you are part of the "community" when I discuss how Dragon Age II was received. But when I say something like "Dragon Age II was received okay by our community," I am not saying that each and every community member likes it okay. I am, in that case, averaging the totality of the discussions I have seen posted here and generalizing the sentiments I have seen posted by individuals.

If you wish to disagree with me, you are free to do so. This is a forum where we encourage people to share ideas. if, on the other hand, you wish to be disingenuous by taking what I say out of context to fuel your righteous indignation at a game you dislike, then I would encourage you to please try a different tactic. I prefer sincerity, just as I believe you would prefer it from me.