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[Kaiser Shepard]

MerinTB wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
This "Felicia Day" is considered a celebrity now? Really?

celebrity - A famous person.
famous - Known about by many people

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1260407/
http://en.wikipedia....iki/Felicia_Day
http://www.time.com/...2059112,00.html - Followers: 1.8 million

http://twitaholic.co...p200/followers/ - 176.  Just under Tom Cruise.  Just above Kevin Smith, Alyssa Milano, Jeremy Piven and Emma Watson.

So, yeah, I think she qualifies as a "celebrity."  Just saying.

Being 'internet famous' because a bunch of geeks think she's "one of them" does not constitute being a celebrity. And if one's amount of Twitter-followers were to dictate one's place in society, just how pathetic have we as a whole become?

It was ONE measurement.  I don't use twitter myself, hate it, but how many followers you have on twitter is ONE measurement of how many people know you.

She's an actress.  The IMDB post was to show the vast body of stuff she has been in.  Anyone who's been in that many things is usually know by many people.
The wikipedia article lists the many things she's part of, including awards and committees and the like.

You can start moving the goal post all you want.  All you sarcastically questioned was her status as "celebrity."
All that celebrity means is being famous.
All that being famous means is that you are known by many people.

She certainly qualifies as "being well known."

Everything else you are saying is subjective taste, qualifiers on "good for society" and other stuff that, while maybe relevant to you and others...
is actually a non-sequitor when regarding whether or not she is, in fact, a celebrity.

You.  Were.  Wrong.
By any reasonable measurement, she is a celebrity.

Whether you think she WARRANTS being a celebrity is irrelevant to her BEING a celebrity.

I cannot stand the Kardashians nor Paris Hilton.  But they are celebrities.

Your attempts to poison the well regarding her and those who like her matters nothing, except to show the weakness of your argument.

Specifically, "And if one's amount of Twitter-followers were to dictate one's place in society, just how pathetic have we as a whole become?" is a straw-man.  I never said anything about twitter indicating where you belonged in society; how many people "follow you on twitter" is a good indication of how many people know you.  Knowing whom Amanda Knox, Barack Obama, Victoria Jackson, or "Joe the Plumber" are, the fact that they are kind of house-hold names, doesn't mean they are in the same positions in society - girl just found innocent after years in an Italian jail, President of the USA, right-wingy former SNL comedian and 2008 election conservative celebrity are wide in their positions in society but all are celebrities as all are known by many people.

If you say 2+2 != 4, and someone lines up 2 apples and 2 oranges and shows that there are 4 things there you cannot then suddenly say "those are apples and oranges! you don't have 4 of either!"
You original statement was false.  The things you bring up afterward, regardless of whether they are factual, opinion, or just wrong, are not relevant.

You said - "This "Felicia Day" is considered a celebrity now? Really?"

The answer is simply yes.

celebrity - A famous person.
famous - Known about by many people

Actress.  Creator and star of a 5 season series that has 69 million views on YouTube alone, won 5 awards from 2007-2010, contains numerous celebrity cameos and has spawned comic-book spin-offs.  Approached by BioWare / EA for a tie-in that is pretty unique in the entertainment media world.  1.8 million twitter followers.

How much proof do you need that 2 items added to 2 items does, in fact, make 4 items total?

You don't have to like her to admit she's famous.

Alright, alright. I get it, you consider her to be a celebrity. And it certainly isn't like you're biased because you're a massive geek and diehard fan of her.

[didymos1120]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

 "fan character whose creator happened to be famous then being included into the game because the creator is famous."

Just gonna keep repeating that one, eh?  Even though that's not how it happened?

[AtreiyaN7]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Once more... because I guess I like fighting for the lost cause of people not talking past each other with venom and spite...

While I liked MotA well enough...

It really surprises me that people can't tell the difference between "Bioware game character with a known actor doing the voice and/or character model" on one hand, and "fan character whose creator happened to be famous then being included into the game because the creator is famous." Most of the complaints seem to be about the latter, not the former.

At least go off on someone for what they're actually saying.

"I wrote the Web series and created the character with BioWare to make sure it fit in their world." (Felicia Day)

CNN article about DA: Redemption

Call it nitpicky if you want, but it's not as if BW had no hand in designing this character. Day's involvement from the start (w/Redemption and the initial creation of this character) obviously stems from her popularity based on The Guild, etc. However, MotA is a full-fledged story, not just a crappy toss-off without a plot that exists solely to capitalize on the popularity of the actress. I'm sure that they could have gone with some nameless rogue and had her voice it or some other person voice it - wouldn't have changed the story terribly much, would it?

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 13 octobre 2011 - 09:41 .

[eternalnightmare13]

Chris Priestly wrote...

So, for example, if we were to make a Joker based DLC featuring Seth Green or an Illusive Man DLC with Martin Sheen, that would be a bad thing?

+1

[MerinTB]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Alright, alright. I get it, you consider her to be a celebrity.

Because she is.  Not because i believe it to be - because it can be as factually proven as any "celebrity" could be.

And it certainly isn't like you're biased

I am biased.  Towards the truth.  And facts.  And pesky things like definitions of words.  Probably most annoyingly, I'm biased towards needing to point out logical fallacies...

because you're a massive geek and diehard fan of her.

Like this ad hominem.

Although I find it endlessly amusing that people posting on an internet forum about a video game company, especially those with screen names based on video game characters, would think that "geek" or "fan of geek icon" would be perceived contextually as slurs.

You failed to say I just need to get laid or go out and find a real-life girlfriend, that clearly I only like her because she's XX instead of XY..

Modifié par MerinTB, 13 octobre 2011 - 09:52 .

[Chala]

MerinTB wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Alright, alright. I get it, you consider her to be a celebrity.

Because she is.  Not because i believe it to be - because it can be as factually proven as any "celebrity" could be.

And it certainly isn't like you're biased

I am biased.  Towards the truth.  And facts.  And pesky things like definitions of words.  Probably most annoyingly, I'm biased towards needing to point out logical fallacies...

because you're a massive geek and diehard fan of her.

Like this ad hominem.

Although I find it endlessly amusing that people posting on an internet forum about a video game company, especially those with screen names based on video game characters, would think that "geek" or "fan of geek icon" would be perceived contextually as slurs.

You failed to say I just need to get laid or go out and find a real-life girlfriend, that clearly I only like her because she's XX instead of XY..

Pffhahahaha
Oh the Irony of life
You just put him on his place right there.

Modifié par El_Chala_Legalizado, 13 octobre 2011 - 10:08 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

MerinTB wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Alright, alright. I get it, you consider her to be a celebrity.

Because she is.  Not because i believe it to be - because it can be as factually proven as any "celebrity" could be.

So I can ask my mother or any random stranger I meet on the street if they know her, or simply have heard of her, and expect to hear "yes" as an answer?

And it certainly isn't like you're biased

I am biased.  Towards the truth.  And facts.  And pesky things like definitions of words.  Probably most annoyingly, I'm biased towards needing to point out logical fallacies...

No, you need to protect the status of your precious little icon, nothing more.

because you're a massive geek and diehard fan of her.

Like this ad hominem.

Although I find it endlessly amusing that people posting on an internet forum about a video game company, especially those with screen names based on video game characters, would think that "geek" or "fan of geek icon" would be perceived contextually as slurs.

Oh please, if I wanted to play this ad hominem style I would've used terms such as "the pathetic MMO crowd" or something similar. There I was merely making clear how you're pretty much the archetype of her target demographic, hence not representative of the general population.

Kind of like how people on here say that the majority of the fanbase didn't ask for multiplayer, when "we" are just the tip of the iceberg.

You failed to say I just need to get laid or go out and find a real-life girlfriend, that clearly I only like her because she's XX instead of XY..

Not my style, and not the point I was trying to make.

That being said, perhaps you do need to get laid. :innocent:

didymos1120 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

 "fan character whose creator happened to be famous then being included into the game because the creator is famous."

Just gonna keep repeating that one, eh?  Even though that's not how it happened?

How we - the plebians - are told things happened is not always the ways things did indeed transpire. Par example, I doubt that Jack Wall really did 'resign' because he didn't want to be know as "the Mass Effect guy", when it's more likely that BioWare simply ditched him in favor of their big Hollywood composer because they now had the budget for it. Likewise, look at what happened to that PS3 version of ME2, or the recent multiplayer addition.

Granted, there isn't much of a reason to doubt that BioWare could've asked Day, as their demographics do indeed overlap. Still, don't just take everything we're told for granted.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 13 octobre 2011 - 10:17 .

[wright1978]

[quote]Kaiser Shepard wrote...

[quote]MerinTB wrote...

[quote]Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Alright, alright. I get it, you consider her to be a celebrity.[/quote]

Because she is.  Not because i believe it to be - because it can be as factually proven as any "celebrity" could be.[/quote]
So I can ask my mother or any random stranger I meet on the street if they know her, or simply have heard of her, and expect to hear "yes" as an answer?


[quote]

I think your arguing over a different definition of what a celebrity. Really a celebrity can be anyone these days. I don't watch reality TV so i don't recognise the idiots in our magazines at work but they are clearly viewed as celebrities by the people who watch those shows.

[didymos1120]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Still, don't just take everything we're told for granted.

Fair enough.  Of course, people should still stop repeating the "It's a glorified fan character" thing as well.  I mean, even if you outright discount it or are just really skeptical, at least the other version has some evidence to back it up.

[TheRealJayDee]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

Maeshone wrote...

Bioware, Neil Patrick Harris DLC for Mass Effect 3. Make it happen!

Do you want my live savings as a cheque or will cash do?

Damn, my one and only weakness! As sceptic as I am right now about ME3, the Dragon Age franchise and BioWare in general, all they have to do to safely get my money is to have Neil Patrick Harris in each of their coming games.
Singing!

[Giant ambush beetle]

Chris Priestly wrote...

So, for example, if we were to make a Joker based DLC featuring Seth Green or an Illusive Man DLC with Martin Sheen, that would be a bad thing?

I don't  get it either. 

[TheRealJayDee]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

Maeshone wrote...

Bioware, Neil Patrick Harris DLC for Mass Effect 3. Make it happen!

Do you want my live savings as a cheque or will cash do?

Damn, my one and only weakness! As sceptic as I am right now about ME3, the Dragon Age franchise and BioWare in general, all they have to do to safely get my money is to have Neil Patrick Harris in each of their coming games.
Singing!

A duet with Mordin in ME3, and a duet with Fenris in the DA2 expansion.

Sold.

Absolutely. And I frickin' hate Fenris.

[Malanek]

If you don't like the sound of a DLC don't get the DLC or at least wait and see what other people say.

I think I understand where the OP is coming from though. We want the game to stand up as a game. A weak DLC (or game) that sounds good because of a character/actor but turns out to be quite bad (witch hunt) isn't very attractive. I guess there is a perception you are spending more resources on a voice actor at the expense of the overall quality and value. And I definately don't like the idea of marketing guiding the artistic design.

Modifié par Malanek999, 13 octobre 2011 - 11:40 .

[JBONE27]

Durgon Ironfist wrote...

I must say this this entire community has become inundated with over emotional, stodgy, ne'er-do-wells. Now we complain about celebrities? What is wrong with the celebrity voice overs? Mind you Felcia got propped up on a pedestal for dragon age, but in my experience with bioware they take on these voice actors for a reason. Tell me the illusive man would have been as masterfully executed if Martin Sheen wasn't behind it.

For a group of people who seem to look down on other gamers, you folks are incredibly thin-skinned and a change in the direction of the wind seems to draw your ire.

If they had someone as good as Martin Sheen it would have still been fantastic, but there are very few people as good as Martin Sheen.

Also, while I didn't buy Mark of the Assassin, I'm currently watching a playthrough on youtube, and it's actually got a pretty good start to it.  Granted I've only got to within the first 45 minutes.

People are just going with kneejerk responses.  Oh, there's a DLC based around a character who wasn't in the original game and is not a perminant companion (remember there were two DLCs in ME2 that gave you perminant companions), and she's voiced by someone who is somewhat famous... MUST HATE!!!  It was the same way when DA2 came out.  Oh, we're not fighting a big-bad, the story is non-liniar, and all regular LIs are bisexual... MUST HATE!!! (other than the rushed feel with the backgrounds, these are the complaints I've heard the most.)  I personally prefer DA2 to DAO.  I like the fact that Bioware was trying something different that, IMO, actually worked, and the character designs looked a lot better (granted I play on the 360, but the PC version probably looked better).

[Killjoy Cutter]

didymos1120 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

 "fan character whose creator happened to be famous then being included into the game because the creator is famous."

Just gonna keep repeating that one, eh?  Even though that's not how it happened?

Many of the posters to the thread were treating concerns or complaints about Tallis and MotA as if they were 100% equivalent to having concerns or complaints about TIM or Kal'Reager or Merrill, because all four have voice actors known for other roles outside of voice acting, when that's simply not the case. 

Or are you claiming that Bioware actually created Day's character and then hired her to play the role? 

You can nitpick the fine details, but as it's being explained, Tallis is Day's character and she came to Bioware for help in fleshing Tallis out for the webseries, and it grew from there. 

Now, do I have a problem with that?  No.  Day isn't new to this. 

My only problem is that they made MotA just a little too much about Tallis, and it exacerbates an existing problem in Dragon Age II's writing and story.   I doubt Day is to blame, but the finished product, with a new character coming in and meeting the long-term protagonist, and kinda taking over the story for a bit, is just a little too "mary-sue-ish" for my tastes.


EDIT:  the reason I kept repeating it was because I was trying to clarify the issue that some people have with the thing, and people were just going on as if I hadn't said anything.  I'm tempted to think that some of them didn't really care and were just looking for the most convenient way to trash anyone who had a concern about the way in which MotA was created. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 14 octobre 2011 - 12:22 .

[Captain_Obvious]

No offense to anyone, but apparently I've been living under a rock and have no idea who Felicia Day is, or who voiced Kal'Reagar or Merril. I know Martin Sheen, but that's because he's done a lot of movies and I'm a big Apocalypse Now fan. Level of celebrity is subjective. Oh, and Keith David, he was in The Thing, so I know him.

[Romantiq]

Appearance of someone like her boosts sales by larger % than people cancelling their preorder or not buying product on purpose (And believe me, the boost is huge compared to loss because in her case - she has tons of fans) If I was in business of sales then I'd certainly consider that. However, I am in business of buying and I would much rather prefer if they create an interesting character on their own without relying on someone like Felicia to basically do it for them. Either way - I don't care and it won't affect any of my decisions unless they do a DLC where Justin Bieber is in.

Modifié par Romantiq, 14 octobre 2011 - 12:29 .

[Romantiq]

Captain_Obvious wrote...

No offense to anyone, but apparently I've been living under a rock and have no idea who Felicia Day is, or who voiced Kal'Reagar or Merril. I know Martin Sheen, but that's because he's done a lot of movies and I'm a big Apocalypse Now fan. Level of celebrity is subjective. Oh, and Keith David, he was in The Thing, so I know him.

I only remember those two by name out of ME as well because I have watched a lot of movies with them. Felicia Day is an internet celeb. Like a "Youtube Star" just slightly more famous.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Take a look:  http://www.imdb.com/...ullcredits#cast

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 14 octobre 2011 - 12:36 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Captain_Obvious wrote...

No offense to anyone, but apparently I've been living under a rock and have no idea who Felicia Day is, or who voiced Kal'Reagar or Merril. I know Martin Sheen, but that's because he's done a lot of movies and I'm a big Apocalypse Now fan. Level of celebrity is subjective. Oh, and Keith David, he was in The Thing, so I know him.

Never seen it, no intention of doing so because from what clips I have seen looks boring. All I remember Martin Sheen from is being Charlie Sheens daddy. Actually thats bit of fib I do think I recall him in The West Wing and appeared in Two and Half Men maybe but other than that even if he has been in a million things, none of them I recall him being in or else I haven't seen them. He just didn't stand out from the crowd/background I guess enough.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 14 octobre 2011 - 12:58 .

[BloodyTalon]

Hmm for some reason Joker reminds me of a celeb and he wont be dlc.

[BloodyTalon]

Why do I get the feeling not being up to speed on celebs helps me enjoy games more.

[AtreiyaN7]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Captain_Obvious wrote...

No offense to anyone, but apparently I've been living under a rock and have no idea who Felicia Day is, or who voiced Kal'Reagar or Merril. I know Martin Sheen, but that's because he's done a lot of movies and I'm a big Apocalypse Now fan. Level of celebrity is subjective. Oh, and Keith David, he was in The Thing, so I know him.

Never seen it, no intention of doing so because from what clips I have seen looks boring. All I remember Martin Sheen from is being Charlie Sheens daddy. Actually thats bit of fib I do think I recall him in The West Wing and appeared in Two and Half Men maybe but other than that even if he has been in a million things, none of them I recall him being in or else I haven't seen them. He just didn't stand out from the crowd/background I guess enough.

Apocalypse Now is probably Martin Sheen's most notable film, but he's been in a lot of stuff, including tv series (two of his more recent films: The Departed and Catch Me If You Can). Sidenote: I've always been amused by the fact that he appeared twice in the original Hawaii Five-O since I live in Hawaii.

[didymos1120]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...


Apocalypse Now is probably Martin Sheen's most notable film, but he's been in a lot of stuff, including tv series (two of his more recent films: The Departed and Catch Me If You Can). Sidenote: I've always been amused by the fact that he appeared twice in the original Hawaii Five-O since I live in Hawaii.

Badlands is also one of his more notable performances.