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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

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Alright, alright. I get it, you consider her to be a celebrity.


Because she is.  Not because i believe it to be - because it can be as factually proven as any "celebrity" could be.

So I can ask my mother or any random stranger I meet on the street if they know her, or simply have heard of her, and expect to hear "yes" as an answer?


And it certainly isn't like you're biased


I am biased.  Towards the truth.  And facts.  And pesky things like definitions of words.  Probably most annoyingly, I'm biased towards needing to point out logical fallacies...

No, you need to protect the status of your precious little icon, nothing more.


because you're a massive geek and diehard fan of her.


Like this ad hominem.

Although I find it endlessly amusing that people posting on an internet forum about a video game company, especially those with screen names based on video game characters, would think that "geek" or "fan of geek icon" would be perceived contextually as slurs.

Oh please, if I wanted to play this ad hominem style I would've used terms such as "the pathetic MMO crowd" or something similar. There I was merely making clear how you're pretty much the archetype of her target demographic, hence not representative of the general population.

Kind of like how people on here say that the majority of the fanbase didn't ask for multiplayer, when "we" are just the tip of the iceberg.


You failed to say I just need to get laid or go out and find a real-life girlfriend, that clearly I only like her because she's XX instead of XY.. :P

Not my style, and not the point I was trying to make.

That being said, perhaps you do need to get laid. :innocent:



didymos1120 wrote...

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 "fan character whose creator happened to be famous then being included into the game because the creator is famous."


Just gonna keep repeating that one, eh?  Even though that's not how it happened?

How we - the plebians - are told things happened is not always the ways things did indeed transpire. Par example, I doubt that Jack Wall really did 'resign' because he didn't want to be know as "the Mass Effect guy", when it's more likely that BioWare simply ditched him in favor of their big Hollywood composer because they now had the budget for it. Likewise, look at what happened to that PS3 version of ME2, or the recent multiplayer addition.

Granted, there isn't much of a reason to doubt that BioWare could've asked Day, as their demographics do indeed overlap. Still, don't just take everything we're told for granted.


So by your logic, of your mother and a random street person needing to know them, than every famous person from say the BBC and shows there on, though big in England, are not Celebrities because your mom and random American's don't know them? Ignoring the fact that millions from England could know them and watch them every day? Yeah that's not bias and elitist at all.

It's the same with her, millions of people know her, maybe not your mom, but does your mom know the ruler of Marco? He's a “celebrity” though, in his circle. You're irrational hate for her is strange to me.

Edit - and because I know if you are not American you'll be stupid and ignore what I put, it works other ways too, replace England with France (or any random nation) and America with China (or whatever your home nation might be). The example works....

Modifié par TCBC_Freak, 14 octobre 2011 - 03:53 .


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huh, I liked the new dlc and I didn't even have any idea who played tallis

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Killjoy Cutter wrote...

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I must say this this entire community has become inundated with over emotional, stodgy, ne'er-do-wells. Now we complain about celebrities? What is wrong with the celebrity voice overs? Mind you Felcia got propped up on a pedestal for dragon age, but in my experience with bioware they take on these voice actors for a reason. Tell me the illusive man would have been as masterfully executed if Martin Sheen wasn't behind it.

For a group of people who seem to look down on other gamers, you folks are incredibly thin-skinned and a change in the direction of the wind seems to draw your ire.


only if everyone on this board shared your outlook we would get fewer RAGE posts or posts that complains about the smallest things which would not bother most people.


While I liked MotA well enough...

It really surprises me that people can't tell the difference between "Bioware game character with a known actor doing the voice and/or character model" on one hand, and "fan character whose creator happened to be famous then being included into the game because the creator is famous."   Most of the complaints seem to be about the latter, not the former. 

At least go off on someone for what they're actually saying.



I agree with you about how it felt like Tallis was on the spotlight a few times, but it was a great DLC, enjoyed it more than Legacy. Could you gives us a link to support your statement?

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Didn't play the new DA2 DLC but I like the fact that BW outs a lot of effort and money into the voice acting. Having people like Martin Sheen, Carrie-Ann Moss or Michael Hogan on board was great and I don't mind them keeping it up in ME3 or DLC. Of course it shouldn't be the main feature but hey, if it helps with getting a good VO, I am all for it.

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Mr. Brainheart wrote...

As far as i'm concerned the game could use a Patrick Stuart DLC, it'd be fun.


Given the track record for TNG actors, we'll wind up killing him, too.  So why not make him the voice of a Reaper?

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Chris Priestly wrote...

So, for example, if we were to make a Joker based DLC featuring Seth Green or an Illusive Man DLC with Martin Sheen, that would be a bad thing?



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Daro'Xen DLC + Ben Browder as additional guest voice = money printing press for you guys.

Triple bonus points if you work in "Daro'Xen does not approve" somewhere into the script.

Modifié par Orion1836, 14 octobre 2011 - 06:39 .


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Patrick Stewart Reaper would be EPICNESS. That voice Reaperized would be crazy

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Honestly I dont remember Bioware ever marketing a game or DLC on the basis of there being a celeb in it. Mostly its because that im impressed with the voice work that I try to find out who the actor is.

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didymos1120 wrote...

Badlands is also one of his more notable performances.


Yeah, I remember hearing about Badlands recently - I think it was either a discussion about serial killers portrayed in film or they were talking about Sissy Spacek's career. At any rate, it seemed quite interesting - would like to watch it sometime.

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Nikkonito wrote...

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

As far as i'm concerned the game could use a Patrick Stuart DLC, it'd be fun.


Given the track record for TNG actors, we'll wind up killing him, too.  So why not make him the voice of a Reaper?


If I can't kill another former TNG cast member in ME3, it's RUINED FOREVER. Srsly.

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We have been killing em off pretty quick...Hmmm...

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AtreiyaN7 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Badlands is also one of his more notable performances.


Yeah, I remember hearing about Badlands recently - I think it was either a discussion about serial killers portrayed in film or they were talking about Sissy Spacek's career. At any rate, it seemed quite interesting - would like to watch it sometime.


It's loosely based on Charles Starkweather and Caril-Ann Fugate.  He was actually what you'd call a "spree killer".  Sort of in-between "mass murderer" and "serial killer".  Natural Born Killers was (far more loosely) based on those events as well.

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You say that like Bioware has released loads of DLC based around a celebrity and their character; when there has been 2. Both in the Dragon Age universe.

Witch Hunt and Claudia Black.
Mark of the Assasin and Felicia Day.

The closest ME has ever gotten to anything like this is Lair of the Shadow Broker and Liara.

I dont think you need to worry here. Actually I think you are jumping the gun a little (or a lot actually).

I wouldn't even count that, Claudia Black played a character in the game and that character appears in the dlc(briefly I hear).:mellow:  If anything please feature characters form the main game more bioware, I don't want a mute companion dlc.(garrus and liara, not a word, really?) Felicia day is hardly a celebrity outside of bioware and nerddom (even claudia black is pushing it). Even if she was a hollywood star I wouldn't mind though, and it's always cool to see a real person face in a game, er, minus miranda(still love strahovski:wub:). Who you seem to have forgotten along with Vanderloo and the rest of voices in the game. Claudia black also looks nothing like Morrigan.

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Mass Effect voice actors: www.youtube.com/watch

Mass Effect 2 voice actors: www.youtube.com/watch

CELEBRITIES EVERYWHERE! GO GO GO!

Modifié par Th3 Prod1gy, 14 octobre 2011 - 08:16 .


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Nikkonito wrote...

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

As far as i'm concerned the game could use a Patrick Stuart DLC, it'd be fun.


Given the track record for TNG actors, we'll wind up killing him, too.  So why not make him the voice of a Reaper?


That would be awesome.  If the twist is what I think it's going to be, the Piccard Reaper will just shout out "ENGAGE"
and a giant fleet of reapers will attack.

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Bioware, Neil Patrick Harris DLC for Mass Effect 3. Make it happen!



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It makes CRISIS1717 cry and cancel the pre-order.

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*smiles at AtreiyaN7*

Yeah. I mean - who wants celeb DLC? Like Joker or TiM or Admiral Hackett..... Thats just insane. Why would you bring real talent to a DLC - thats just crazy talk!

And to think that its optional! Pffft! It should be a prerequisite! Before you buy ME3 you have to get some celeb DLC!


Forgot to clarify I'm fine with real talent but  Felicia Day is not real talent she is just an e-celeb and a friend pretty much summed up what the last DA2 DLC was "Felicia Day DLC". 

By celeb DLC I mean DLC that is solely a promo for some person, the biggest feature of extended storyline shouldn't be which big name you got to stick in the credits.


As long as the DLC has more Lore about the world and stuff, i couldnt give a monkeys who or what the DLC is based around.

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Since when Felicia Day is a celebrity? If there would be no EA I would never heard of her.

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Midey wrote...

Since when Felicia Day is a celebrity? If there would be no EA I would never heard of her.


As I stated before. Just because you haven't heard of someone does not mean she is not a celebrity. Do you know the ruler of the Czech Republic? Because milions of people there do, but becuase you haven't heard of him he's clearly not a big deal... isn't a "celebraty" known by millions.

It's the same with local TV celebraties. people on shows on the BBC (in England) can have millions of fans but no one out side the UK would have really heard of them but they are celebraties.

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BlaCKRodjj wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

Durgon Ironfist wrote...

I must say this this entire community has become inundated with over emotional, stodgy, ne'er-do-wells. Now we complain about celebrities? What is wrong with the celebrity voice overs? Mind you Felcia got propped up on a pedestal for dragon age, but in my experience with bioware they take on these voice actors for a reason. Tell me the illusive man would have been as masterfully executed if Martin Sheen wasn't behind it.

For a group of people who seem to look down on other gamers, you folks are incredibly thin-skinned and a change in the direction of the wind seems to draw your ire.


only if everyone on this board shared your outlook we would get fewer RAGE posts or posts that complains about the smallest things which would not bother most people.


While I liked MotA well enough...

It really surprises me that people can't tell the difference between "Bioware game character with a known actor doing the voice and/or character model" on one hand, and "fan character whose creator happened to be famous then being included into the game because the creator is famous."   Most of the complaints seem to be about the latter, not the former. 

At least go off on someone for what they're actually saying.


I agree with you about how it felt like Tallis was on the spotlight a few times, but it was a great DLC, enjoyed it more than Legacy. Could you gives us a link to support your statement?


http://dragonage.wik...Age:_Redemption
http://latimesblogs....elicia-day.html
http://techland.time...age-web-series/


Depending one what you read, either EA approached her, or she approached them -- the interviews I'm finding now make it sound a lot more like the former than the latter -- but Tallis is largely her character and Redemption is largely her series. 

Now, that doesn't mean that the vaguely Mary-Suish feeling of MotA, especially of her intro combat sequence, is at all Day's fault, I'm not trying to make this about her.  It's about Bioware and their product and how it was marketed around Day.   Which overall I liked, despite the two glaring faults. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 14 octobre 2011 - 01:24 .


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what's the problem with famous people being in a DLC, as long as they are talented and do a good job? Gaming is having a hard time as it is reaching out to the mainstream.

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towerstone wrote...

what's the problem with famous people being in a DLC, as long as they are talented and do a good job? Gaming is having a hard time as it is reaching out to the mainstream.


FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOMEONE FAMOUS BEING HIRED 
TO PLAY A ROLE IN THE DLC AND THE DLC BEING SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO SPOTLIGHT THE 
PRESENCE OF A FAMOUS PERSON FOR CHEAP MARKETING POP.

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I don't understand what difference it really makes. So what if someone famous was hired? So what if it was a marketing prop? How does it effect you negatively?

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OP has some valid point to a certain extent. Anyway I think part of the problem is with that web series as well. That web series brought unnecessary attention to Felicia Day and by doing so BW unintentionally create celeb out of a DLC/ web series. Even though I don't have anything against her personally, I don't think her acting is good enough; not for a web series that has "Dragon Age" in the title.

Modifié par snfonseka, 14 octobre 2011 - 03:11 .