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[Savber100]

tez19 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Yes.

Would you like to expand upon your answer as i believe Dragon Age 2 sold less than DA:O.

I actually am confused about this... 

The developer/publisher/people who like DA2 generally point out that DA2 sold better than DA:O while people that hate DA2 (and even ME2)  generally point out how DA2 sold worse than DA:O. 


Who to believe?!?

[Gabey5]

almost no one knew about mass effect, when EA came in with the big bucks, ME2 was all over the internet, everyone was talking about it

[Il Divo]

Savber100 wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Yes.

Would you like to expand upon your answer as i believe Dragon Age 2 sold less than DA:O.

I actually am confused about this... 

The developer/publisher/people who like DA2 generally point out that DA2 sold better than DA:O while people that hate DA2 (and even ME2)  generally point out how DA2 sold worse than DA:O. 


Who to believe?!?

The way I've seen it put is that DA2 sold less total units than Origins, however (in the short term) was more cost effective, given its year long development cycle.

[Iakus]

 Adding multiplayer probably won't hurt sales for ME3.  It already has a built-in captive audience who will get it just to see the end of Shepard's story.

Mass Effect 4, or whatever new game they make, now that will tell.

Modifié par iakus, 13 octobre 2011 - 01:39 .

[tez19]

nelly21 wrote...

Yes. Bioware is doing all of this because of a dwindling fanbase. /sarcasm
It is amazing to me how people on these forums equate "I'm unhappy" with "everyone is unhappy".

That is why i am asking the question and asking people to discuss their views. Is your reading comprehension that bad?

[tez19]

shinobi602 wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Seriously mate? Dragon Age 2?

Yup, I enjoyed it. It's nowhere near perfect (a lot of reused environments and repetitive enemies), but I still had good fun with the game.

I enjoyed the game too, it was a good game. But DA:O, Mass Effect were not good games they were great games. Thus this is where my worry comes from, are they becoming another mediocre developer (according to my tastes) instead of being a great developer.

[tez19]

Savber100 wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Yes.

Would you like to expand upon your answer as i believe Dragon Age 2 sold less than DA:O.

I actually am confused about this... 

The developer/publisher/people who like DA2 generally point out that DA2 sold better than DA:O while people that hate DA2 (and even ME2)  generally point out how DA2 sold worse than DA:O. 


Who to believe?!?

Maybe people who enjoyed DA2 are referring to better preorders which DA2 did have off the back of DA:O.

[tez19]

Il Divo wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Yes.

Would you like to expand upon your answer as i believe Dragon Age 2 sold less than DA:O.

I actually am confused about this... 

The developer/publisher/people who like DA2 generally point out that DA2 sold better than DA:O while people that hate DA2 (and even ME2)  generally point out how DA2 sold worse than DA:O. 


Who to believe?!?

The way I've seen it put is that DA2 sold less total units than Origins, however (in the short term) was more cost effective, given its year long development cycle.

Exactly and DA2 done well with pre orders from people like me who loved Origins. I will not be pre-ordering DA3 and i think alot of people who pre ordered DA2 on faith will feel this way too.

[Gabey5]

Savber100 wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Yes.

Would you like to expand upon your answer as i believe Dragon Age 2 sold less than DA:O.

I actually am confused about this... 

The developer/publisher/people who like DA2 generally point out that DA2 sold better than DA:O while people that hate DA2 (and even ME2)  generally point out how DA2 sold worse than DA:O. 


Who to believe?!?

DA2 definantly sold more, and Mass Effect Definantly sold more than ME1
from quick googles

and look at it this way

ALL DAO fans bought DA2, plus new people with all the exposure3


ALL ME1 fans bought ME 2, plus people who never played the first

[Shepard the Leper]

GodWood wrote...

The ME series is successfully gathering a larger fanbase by streamlining features and appealing to the more casual market.

ME2 was a success because BW removed all the useless junk of ME1. That's evolution mate, and that by definition means streamlining. Everything that serves no purpose is pointless thus should be removed. BW went a bit too far with ME2, but the core features are 10x better than the ME1 gameplay crap. What's the point in having 10.000 weapons that are all junk compared to spectre gear? What's the point of having to level 10 times to gain a new and more powerful skill / ability? What's the point of having a crap load of armor when everyone equips the best one only? etc etc.

ME2 got the basics right and in ME3 a lot of things that were lost in ME2 are making a return. But this time (as far as I can tell) they have purpose and add options to custumize your characters, instead of giving us pointless and annoying inventory screens.

The argument to not buy ME3 because BW added MP is ridiculous. That's like saying you love a Mercedes, but when someone installs a nice HiFi system you hate the damn car. The Mercedes hasn't changed at all, only something new has been added. If you don't like that new feature, don't play / use it. Simple as that - problem solved.

[GodWood]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Don't know about the "not interested" part, but otherwise I think this may be quite correct.

The "not interested" audience is the 'COD audience' the DA team desired to win over.
Maybe I'm not giving them enough credit but I doubt the average COD fan is interested in playing a fantasy RPG.

[Il Divo]

tez19 wrote...

Exactly and DA2 done well with pre orders from people like me who loved Origins. I will not be pre-ordering DA3 and i think alot of people who pre ordered DA2 on faith will feel this way too.

Well, here's where I think things can become potentially interesting. Despite the pretty vocal criticism which has been directed at DA2, Bioware could probably get away with achieving Origin's level sales again by simply returning to their original style. Most critics of DA2 I've seen have gone with the approach that they will not be pre-ordering/purchasing unless they see some significant changes. Hell, if Bioware returned to that Origins style, they'll have gotten away with the rather inexpensive DA2 and still be able to achieve maximum sales with DA3.

[xentar]

GodWood wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Don't know about the "not interested" part, but otherwise I think this may be quite correct.

The "not interested" audience is the 'COD audience' the DA team desired to win over.
Maybe I'm not giving them enough credit but I doubt the average COD fan is interested in playing a fantasy RPG.

Well, at least they may be interested in playing a sci-fi shooter.

[Gabey5]

Shepard the Leper wrote...

GodWood wrote...

The ME series is successfully gathering a larger fanbase by streamlining features and appealing to the more casual market.

ME2 was a success because BW removed all the useless junk of ME1. That's evolution mate, and that by definition means streamlining. Everything that serves no purpose is pointless thus should be removed. BW went a bit too far with ME2, but the core features are 10x better than the ME1 gameplay crap. What's the point in having 10.000 weapons that are all junk compared to spectre gear? What's the point of having to level 10 times to gain a new and more powerful skill / ability? What's the point of having a crap load of armor when everyone equips the best one only? etc etc.

yup, getting rid othis crap was good

remember


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can i please play the damn game?

Modifié par Gabey5, 13 octobre 2011 - 01:53 .

[tez19]

Il Divo wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Exactly and DA2 done well with pre orders from people like me who loved Origins. I will not be pre-ordering DA3 and i think alot of people who pre ordered DA2 on faith will feel this way too.

Well, here's where I think things can become potentially interesting. Despite the pretty vocal criticism which has been directed at DA2, Bioware could probably get away with achieving Origin's level sales again by simply returning to their original style. Most critics of DA2 I've seen have gone with the approach that they will not be pre-ordering/purchasing unless they see some significant changes. Hell, if Bioware returned to that Origins style, they'll have gotten away with the rather inexpensive DA2 and still be able to achieve maximum sales with DA3.

I agree, if DA3 went back to the Origins formula and the Origins graphical style i would be interested but i would be very hesitant to pre order from that development team again as i think others would be. With DA2 word got around it was poor and people didn't buy it, if word got round DA3 was good people would buy it. Word of mouth is the best advertisement for anything.

[Chris Priestly]

tez19 wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

Yes. Bioware is doing all of this because of a dwindling fanbase. /sarcasm
It is amazing to me how people on these forums equate "I'm unhappy" with "everyone is unhappy".

That is why i am asking the question and asking people to discuss their views. Is your reading comprehension that bad?

Tez, you are noticibly arguing with people who are disagreeing with you. You asked for people's opinions and they are giving them. If you did not want their opinions that disagree with yours, you should not have asked for them.

I know, from your prior responses, you are very negative on ME3 at the moment due to multiplay. That is fine, hopefully we can still show you that the SP ME3 game is what you want and hope it will be. Howvever, if you continue to try to rally the community against us here and you do not find support form teh community or staff, do not be surprised.

[Il Divo]

tez19 wrote...

I agree, if DA3 went back to the Origins formula and the Origins graphical style i would be interested but i would be very hesitant to pre order from that development team again as i think others would be. With DA2 word got around it was poor and people didn't buy it, if word got round DA3 was good people would buy it. Word of mouth is the best advertisement for anything.

And from what I heard, that was how news of Origins got around. People will forget about DA2 upon hearing "DA:O2". And they wouldn't even have to worry about the art style/revamping the gameplay.

[Chris Priestly]

Oh, and we are not losing fans. We've been steadily increasing our community for years now.

[FDrage]

Shepard the Leper wrote...

 What's the point of having to level 10 times to gain a new and more powerful skill / ability? What's the point of having a crap load of armor when everyone equips the best one only? etc etc.

the good evolution of ammo ... that is soooo new.

Anyway .. you still had to level quite a bit to get a new skill even in ME2 as any higher level skill required more points. At least in ME1 I could use all my points and got something every level. in ME2 too oiften I ended up with 1 point being wasted ... as I couldn'tg put it somewhere.

[tez19]

Chris Priestly wrote...

tez19 wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

Yes. Bioware is doing all of this because of a dwindling fanbase. /sarcasm
It is amazing to me how people on these forums equate "I'm unhappy" with "everyone is unhappy".

That is why i am asking the question and asking people to discuss their views. Is your reading comprehension that bad?

Tez, you are noticibly arguing with people who are disagreeing with you. You asked for people's opinions and they are giving them. If you did not want their opinions that disagree with yours, you should not have asked for them.

I know, from your prior responses, you are very negative on ME3 at the moment due to multiplay. That is fine, hopefully we can still show you that the SP ME3 game is what you want and hope it will be. Howvever, if you continue to try to rally the community against us here and you do not find support form teh community or staff, do not be surprised.

I was referring to his comment saying i think ''if i am unhappy everyone is unhappy''. I understand the business decision to garner new fans and a wider audience, i just wonder if it is a risky stragety. Just because something does not appeal to me does not make it crap. I am just asking people's opinions as i watched the DA2 forum go into meltdown due to some of the design decisions and noticed some negative changes during playthrough. I love ME1 & 2 and DA:O and am worrying that Bioware is drifting away from the formula i have enjoyed from them. Also i got a personal reply from a Bioware employee, I am starstruck!

[Beerfish]

DA2 had a few flaws but was still fun with much re-playability and some of the finest BioWare companions and quests they have done.

I have yet to see how the fact there is Kinect support and a multiplay component in ME3 will negatively affect me. Once I play the game I can answer that one more clearly. I'm sure that in some peoples mind every single flaw they find in ME3 will be due to mutliplay or kinect no matter what the flaw is.

[BounceDK]

At this point its just another studio owned by EA - There's absolutely nothing that sets it apart from the rest. They produce the same garbage as any other EA studio. ME2, DAII and countless useless DLC = Epic fail.

[Nathander Von Eric]

I'm glad that ME3 will have a co-op/multiplayer option.

I don't think for a second that having an additional game mode that I can choose to use or not as I see fit will detract in any way from the single player game.

So some use of Kinect will be offered for the game. What's wrong with that? Why the heck should that matter to people that don't have Kinect?

Seriously. Why would people get upset about these things? If you don't like the -options- don't use them. You haven't lost anything.

[jds1bio]

This concept of "fans" is too nebulous. Every human on the planet could be a "fan" of BioWare, but if none of them purchase any of their products, what does that mean? And with some of the fans on these forums, by what they say on here you wouldn't know that they were really fans.

Still, I think many more people know about BioWare today and recognize them, than they did in the time of KOTOR or even the first Mass Effect. With Mass Effect 2 winning a bunch of GOTY year awards, it's safe to say that they've gained more fans and recognition than they've lost.

But this talk of casuals is overblown. People with their heads down playing Angry Birds or that crumpled-paper-ball-in-wastebasket pop-a-shot game on their phone, none of the BioWare games, save for the ME2 mining mini-game, are immediately accessible to them. These games require skill, decision-making, and reading comprehension - things that someone looking to just kill a few minutes of time might not want to invest in.

Every BioWare release announcement in the past few years has been met with copious amounts of moaning and groaning, yet they seem to sell ok once the games are released. Unlike threatening a boycott, the talk of cancelling pre-orders can send a message of "you are losing some fans" if the pre-orders are actually cancelled, but honestly what's the difference if someone cancels a pre-order but ends up buying the game anyway on day two?

[Hyperion II]

Il Divo wrote...

Well, excluding Neverwinter Nights and Baldur's Gate 1, I've enjoyed everything that Bioware's ever done. As an original fan since KotOR came out, I haven't noticed any decrease in quality. Actually, quite the contrary, since ME2 is one of my favorite games.

Same here.