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[Gatt9]

King Minos wrote...

There will be people who will buy Mass Effect 3 just for multiplayer and not even touch the campaign.

History is a wonderful thing.  I remember people making the exact same claim when X-com Apocalypse had a RT mode tacked onto it's turn-based one.

I also remember it selling abyssmally,  and Microprose being sold to everyone and their grandmother not long after.

Shoehorning things in just to have bullet-points on a box (Kinect),  or to institute used game buyer DRM,  doesn't equate to an increase in sales.  Much like shoehorning real time into a turn based game did,  it's highly likely to make for a worse game,  and fewer sales.  Primarly because instead of focusing everyone on making the highest quality experience in theme with the game,  you're now wasting time and resouces putting things in because a Suit says that those things must be in the game.  You add things because they improve the intended experience,  not because a Suit wants a bullet-point on the box or because he wants to hold content hostage unless people pay him.

Plus,  truth is,  most people who buy games won't touch multiplayer because the experience is like beating yourself in the head with a hammer given the overall maturity level in any given match.  Very few people are willing to put up with the abuse and childishness that characterizes multiplayer experiences.

Modifié par Gatt9, 13 octobre 2011 - 11:03 .

[shepskisaac]

Gatt9 wrote...

Primarly because instead of focusing everyone on making the highest quality experience in theme with the game,  you're now wasting time and resouces putting things in because a Suit says that those things must be in the game.

Except that they have another separate team at Montral to take care of MP. Say what you want, this time EA seems to be catually doing the smart thing, unlike it was with DA2 when they cut developement time by half without doubling the manpower. Ubisoft did the same thing with AssBro as EA is doing with ME3. They got new team to work on MP component so the SP team may stay focused on the main campaign.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 13 octobre 2011 - 11:17 .

[JeffZero]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Oh, and we are not losing fans. We've been steadily increasing our community for years now.

And frankly I don't care what anyone says: you pretty much deserve it. The DA2 mishap is an issue (one which I haven't verified as I haven't gotten into the Dragon Age arm of your company yet personally) but I am so very, truly pleased with the Mass Effect IP so far. ME3 would have to be pretty bad for me to take this back come March. You totally deserve the sales.

[onelifecrisis]

IsaacShep wrote...

Except that they have another separate team at Montral to take care of MP.

You need to keep up to date I.S.
BW already said that both teams are working jointly on both SP and MP.

[JeffZero]

MGS3 and MGS4 "tacked on" multiplayer. A franchise renowned for its story-centered single-player experience throwing not even co-op but straight-up deathmatch into the mix? Ugh! They're going under! This is it, folks, the end of an era!

MGS3 and MGS4 sold like gangbusters.

[NOD-INFORMER37]

IndomitusRex wrote...

Let's imagine that Bioware is a restaurant, and that the fantastic single player experience we've gotten so far in Mass Effect is steak. Now let's consider multiplayer game experience to be bacon. Enjoying bacon isn't mutually exclusive with enjoying steak. And even if you enjoy steak, but detest bacon, you can always choose to not eat the bacon in Mass Effect 3. You're not losing out on anything because that bacon was free.

Having both together, however, is pretty awesome. And it's better than just steak and bacon; it's filet mignon.

I am a huge ME fan, and I haven't been this excited about a multiplayer experience since Transformers: War for Cybertron. Being able to build up your very own ME character and engage in some wicked co-op missions with your buddies? Sounds pretty damned good to me.

But if the bacon is mouldy and its been touching the steak you'd want your money back. :] 

[JeffZero]

onelifecrisis wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Except that they have another separate team at Montral to take care of MP.

You need to keep up to date I.S.
BW already said that both teams are working jointly on both SP and MP.

I should hope so. All the tweets I've read expanding that matter have explained that at the core this is so that Montreal doesn't step on the storytelling toes of Edmonton. Fact-checking left and right, getting the whole thing to gel properly. Multiplayer mode is very much a Montreal thing but without joint cooperation the endgame result could be horribly disjointed indeed!

[shepskisaac]

onelifecrisis wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Except that they have another separate team at Montral to take care of MP.

You need to keep up to date I.S.
BW already said that both teams are working jointly on both SP and MP.

Of course they do, just like AssBro teams co-operated. But obviously Montral does most on MP front and manpower-wise, the SP team didn't suffer because of MP.

[onelifecrisis]

JeffZero wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Except that they have another separate team at Montral to take care of MP.

You need to keep up to date I.S.
BW already said that both teams are working jointly on both SP and MP.

I should hope so. All the tweets I've read expanding that matter have explained that at the core this is so that Montreal doesn't step on the storytelling toes of Edmonton. Fact-checking left and right, getting the whole thing to gel properly. Multiplayer mode is very much a Montreal thing but without joint cooperation the endgame result could be horribly disjointed indeed!

I'm surprised you had to read tweets to learn that. As I posted in the MP thread, it's remarkable how many people seem to think that Montreal are going to work alone in their own little bubble and then email Edmonton a nice, tidy, finished MP product just before release.

Obviously in reality this MP development will impact on the SP game resources. That doesn't mean the endeavour is doomed to ruin SP or even detract from it, but let's try not to be delusional and pretend that these things exist in separate universes.

[The Interloper]

[quote]onelifecrisis wrote...

[I should hope so. All the tweets I've read expanding that matter have explained that at the core this is so that Montreal doesn't step on the storytelling toes of Edmonton. Fact-checking left and right, getting the whole thing to gel properly. Multiplayer mode is very much a Montreal thing but without joint cooperation the endgame result could be horribly disjointed indeed!

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I'm surprised you had to read tweets to learn that. As I posted in the MP thread, it's remarkable how many people seem to think that Montreal are going to work alone in their own little bubble and then email Edmonton a nice, tidy, finished MP product just before release.

Obviously in reality this MP development will impact on the SP game resources. That doesn't mean the endeavour is doomed to ruin SP or even detract from it, but let's try not to be delusional and pretend that these things exist in separate universes.
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But if the sp team is working on MP, then the MP team is also working on SP.

Of course MP development will impact SP resources. The question is whether it will impact them enough to make a difference. Or whether any flaws the SP might/will have would have existed regardless of MP development.

[JeffZero]

onelifecrisis wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Except that they have another separate team at Montral to take care of MP.

You need to keep up to date I.S.
BW already said that both teams are working jointly on both SP and MP.

I should hope so. All the tweets I've read expanding that matter have explained that at the core this is so that Montreal doesn't step on the storytelling toes of Edmonton. Fact-checking left and right, getting the whole thing to gel properly. Multiplayer mode is very much a Montreal thing but without joint cooperation the endgame result could be horribly disjointed indeed!

I'm surprised you had to read tweets to learn that.

I didn't have to read tweets to learn that. The information is pretty plainly available. I like to use twitter for word-of-mouth confirmation from the developers.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I play on a PC. Kinect support does not affect me at all. If I choose to ignore Multiplayer, then it doesn't affect me either. Not seeing a problem here.

Also, people go on about how BW is appealing to 'the casual gamers'. What exactly are 'casual gamers'? Do you imagine that these creatures somehow play the game differently than 'hardcore gamers'?

[jeweledleah]

Shinian2 wrote...

I play on a PC. Kinect support does not affect me at all. If I choose to ignore Multiplayer, then it doesn't affect me either. Not seeing a problem here.

Also, people go on about how BW is appealing to 'the casual gamers'. What exactly are 'casual gamers'? Do you imagine that these creatures somehow play the game differently than 'hardcore gamers'?

actualy as a casual gamer, I can tell you that multiplayer is not casual friendly.

you see, casual gamers, at least the way I define it is the people who have busy schedules and don't always get to play fro large chunks of time.  single player games are perfect for them since they allow great flexibility.  you can play for 5 minutes or 50, you can pause at any time, get up take care of what needs to be taken care of, get back and play some more.

single player only games are far more casual friendly.

what bioware is trying to appeal to is not a casual gamer.

[XyleJKH]

hi

Modifié par XyleJKH, 14 octobre 2011 - 12:09 .

[whywhywhywhy]

tez19 wrote...

From a purely business perspective it makes sense for Bioware to try to reach a wider audience to gain more profit. However due to kinect intergration and now multiplayer introduced into Mass Effect3 (so this is related to this forum mods) are they gaining more fans than they are potentially losing? It is a well known fact that RPG players like what they like and enjoy a good thorough singleplayer experience, adding multiplayer and kinect could very easily upset them (Bioware's 'core' crowd) and they may boycott the studio and move on to companies who still make great singleplayer RPG's (CDPR, BETHESDA). However adding multiplayer to attract people who have not much interest in RPG's from the get-go might be a bit counter-productive as they have no interest in RPG genre and therefore will never pick the game up to play its multiplayer. With Bioware's recent direction (Dragon Age 2 and the wider appeal to casual gamers) are they doing the right thing? Are they gaining more fans then they risk losing? Or are they going to lose their 'core' crowd and not gain many new casual's?

I doubt it.  Things will be made to appear as that's the case to get you and others to go along with it but you won't really know until launch.

My answer is no.  But we will see.

[whywhywhywhy]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Based on how active the forums are currently based on how active they were back when ME1 came out, I'd say the answer is yes.

Some of the supposed 'fans they're losing' they can't seem to beat away from these forums with a stick.

Can't say that.  Just because someone signed on to the forums doesn't make them a new fan.  I signed on to the forums after ME2 was released but I'm not a big ME2 fan, I'm a ME1 fan.

[shepskisaac]

laecraft wrote...

All eyes are on ME team. No pressure.

And TOR team right? If they score it with both ME3 & TOR, they will be "in" again. I hope so, 'cause as much as hardcore RPG fanboys are right about DA2's flaws, the ****ing about DA2 and "BioWare's over!" got old months ago.

[jeweledleah]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Based on how active the forums are currently based on how active they were back when ME1 came out, I'd say the answer is yes.

Some of the supposed 'fans they're losing' they can't seem to beat away from these forums with a stick.

Can't say that.  Just because someone signed on to the forums doesn't make them a new fan.  I signed on to the forums after ME2 was released but I'm not a big ME2 fan, I'm a ME1 fan.

not to mention there's still time to maybe change a few things.  obviously multiplayer is there to stay, but minor adjustments could still be made to make it more solo friendly/acessible.

case in point - Ashley's armor.  I will bet you a box of godiva chocolates that she's getting  "female version of Kaidan's armor"  majorly due to negative fan response

[onelifecrisis]

XyleJKH wrote...

hi

I don't know why, but this made me LOL

[shepskisaac]

jeweledleah wrote...

case in point - Ashley's armor.  I will bet you a box of godiva chocolates that she's getting  "female version of Kaidan's armor"  majorly due to negative fan response

And I can bet Kaidan will get nothing extra in return because we didn't whine ehh...

Modifié par IsaacShep, 14 octobre 2011 - 12:51 .

[JeffZero]

You know. I've never even heard of X-Com Apocalypse.

[Hathur]

JeffZero wrote...

You know. I've never even heard of X-Com Apocalypse.

I.... wha...... surely ...... You're breakin my heart here.

.... Sure it was a mediocre, buggy, infuriating, poorly conceived piece o......

Ok. Nevermind, I take back my initial outrage.. it's probably best you haven't heard of XCOM Apoc. 

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

jeweledleah wrote...

Shinian2 wrote...

I play on a PC. Kinect support does not affect me at all. If I choose to ignore Multiplayer, then it doesn't affect me either. Not seeing a problem here.

Also, people go on about how BW is appealing to 'the casual gamers'. What exactly are 'casual gamers'? Do you imagine that these creatures somehow play the game differently than 'hardcore gamers'?

actualy as a casual gamer, I can tell you that multiplayer is not casual friendly.

you see, casual gamers, at least the way I define it is the people who have busy schedules and don't always get to play fro large chunks of time.  single player games are perfect for them since they allow great flexibility.  you can play for 5 minutes or 50, you can pause at any time, get up take care of what needs to be taken care of, get back and play some more.

single player only games are far more casual friendly.

what bioware is trying to appeal to is not a casual gamer.

Exactly. I've played MMO's. Nope, not casual friendly at all, with the pressure to keep up with the rest of the crowd etc.

I agre with your definition of casual gamer. However I think the ones throwing the term around as an insult are referring to people who just don't know how to play games, and need the 'dumbing doiwn' that developers are being accused of.