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[Mykel54]

In the final fight, Duke Prosper gets the scroll from Salit, and then he passes it over, unknowingly, to Tallis. That made him look a bit stupid, but at least it was semi-realistic, as Tallis made little sound when despatching his guard.

But then, when Hawke arrives, the Duke goes and makes a villainy statement, and then proceed to shoot his crossbow at Salit, the ally that just said he was going to kill Tallis. I don´t know if the Duke was hit by the idiot stick, or if he was just way too overconfident. Anyway i thought the scene was a bit silly, and that if the Duke was a bit smarter he would have shot his crossbow  at Hawke or Tallis, not at the qunari who would have helped him in the fight.

Was anyone else bothered by this scene? I hope bioware tries to avoid these kind of scenes in the future, to me the it reeks of classic villain incompetence, and i thought it was a disservice to the character of the Duke, which was alright to me until that moment.

[Myusha]

The duke was more arrogant, and a bit pissed thinking that Salit had just double-crossed him. And the Qunari only specified killing Tallis, not Hawke and posse. Although the only thing that bothered me about the scene was this.

Did the Duke shoot Wyvern POISON or FOOD at Salit and Hawke?

Modifié par Myusha, 13 octobre 2011 - 03:00 .

[TEWR]

Mykel54 wrote...

In the final fight, Duke Prosper gets the scroll from Salit, and then he passes it over, unknowingly, to Tallis. That made him look a bit stupid, but at least it was semi-realistic, as Tallis made little sound when despatching his guard.

But then, when Hawke arrives, the Duke goes and makes a villainy statement, and then proceed to shoot his crossbow at Salit, the ally that just said he was going to kill Tallis. I don´t know if the Duke was hit by the idiot stick, or if he was just way too overconfident. Anyway i thought the scene was a bit silly, and that if the Duke was a bit smarter he would have shot his crossbow  at Hawke or Tallis, not at the qunari who would have helped him in the fight.

Was anyone else bothered by this scene? I hope bioware tries to avoid these kind of scenes in the future, to me the it reeks of classic villain incompetence, and i thought it was a disservice to the character of the Duke, which was alright to me until that moment.

Two things:

1) Salit is Tal'Vashoth, not Qunari. Qunari means "people of the Qun" and encompasses anyone that follows the Qun belief (elves, dwarves, humans, Kossith). Salit is a Kossith. Kossith is the name for the race of creatures that Sten, Maraas, Ketojan, the Arishok, and Salit are from.

2) I thought it was about him tying up all loose ends. Kill the Kossith who just handed this information over, so that maybe he won't hand it to anyone else and Duke Prosper can get all the glory. And then when Duke Prosper hands it over to Empress Celene, Orlais' glory throughout Thedas increases. Not to mention he felt that Salit double-crossed him because he was expecting a blackpowder recipe, or a dreadnought plan, or even a map of Qunandar.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 13 octobre 2011 - 03:05 .

[caradoc2000]

I was looking forward to fighting with Salit.

Myusha wrote...

Did the Duke shoot Wyvern POISON or FOOD at Salit and Hawke?

Kryptonite.

[Fauxnormal]

I always got the 'temper tantrum' vibe from that scene, and it didn't seem like any of the negative things you said to me. Prosper was, at his heart, a Spoiled Rich Boy, and he didn't think the scroll was anything of value. Between not getting what he wanted- or so he thought- and then having his prisoners escape and come striding up pretty as you please full of attitude, and then Talis so easily slipping past his men...well. I really see it as being a petty little tantrum.

Modifié par Fauxnormal, 13 octobre 2011 - 03:10 .

[KJandrew]

Myusha wrote...
Did the Duke shoot Wyvern POISON or FOOD at Salit and Hawke?

Just random green stuff to confuse you while Leopold jumps on you

[TheJediSaint]

KJandrew wrote...

Myusha wrote...
Did the Duke shoot Wyvern POISON or FOOD at Salit and Hawke?

Just random green stuff to confuse you while Leopold jumps on you

Well, how else were you supposed to know what party member Leopold was going to attack?

[Myusha]

If it was Food, then Leo probably smelt it, and tried to kill his prey and eat it. Due to how 'untamed' the beast was. If it was Poison, then the Wyvern have thought you were another Wyvern and tried to fight for it's territory.

Or in the most mind-screwing example yet, it was Wyvern 'Pheromone Goop' and Leo is a very very naughty Wyvern, and I feel bad for any Hawke that loses the game at that point.

Or Kryptonite. That makes sense.

[dragonflight288]

I keep thinking about that one orlesian noble who throws a temper tantrum that Hawke got the first kill (mine mine mine!) I honestly did NOT believe what I was seeing, despite the fact that I was quite obviously seeing it.

I think Duke Prosper did something quite similar. Things weren't going as planned, the information he received was priceless, but he didn't recognize it for what it was, his prisoners escaped, so he was probably feeling very foolish in front of his men.

[naledgeborn]

Baron Arlange's mo-cap was priceless. I have the feeling that when I play MotA again I'll laugh just as hard.

[TobiTobsen]

naledgeborn wrote...

Baron Arlange's mo-cap was priceless. I have the feeling that when I play MotA again I'll laugh just as hard.

His battle shouts and screams are just as good as his mo-cap

[Kaiser Shepard]

Just blame it on bad writing. This being a Bioware game, you should at least have had the chance to take the scroll at the end, maybe even kill Tallis or side with the Duke. Alas, it seems like linear stories without any choice are the way things are nowadays.

[Bhaal]

At the end our duke somehow managed to become a chaotic evil villain cliche with 3 int.

[naledgeborn]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Just blame it on bad writing. This being a Bioware game, you should at least have had the chance to take the scroll at the end, maybe even kill Tallis or side with the Duke. Alas, it seems like linear stories without any choice are the way things are nowadays.

Or you know, they could have just not put the options to "kill her" or "take the scroll" on the dialogue wheel. Kind of frustated that they put it there just for show instead of having Hawke failing miserably at "trying to do the right thing". The one liner and letting her walk away was kind of lame. I feel like Hawke is Thedas' biggest chump sometimes.

[dragonflight288]

I personally think that helping Tallis was the right thing. I mean Varic said it best. There's nothing wrong with stealing from Orlesians. lol.

[naledgeborn]

I agree. The Anti-Qunari Mage Hawke that I usually roll with sided with Tallis. But the revelation that there are Qunari/Viddithari spies infiltrated through out Thedas is a little hard to digest. He could have taken the NOC list for safe keeping at the very least.

If it took the combined strength of the Orlesian and Tevinter Chantry to fight them into a stalemate imagine how much trouble it would be now that they have sleeper cells and that all of Thedas is about to go to ****. As much as I'm intrigued by their culture the Qunari are dangerous.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 13 octobre 2011 - 08:33 .

[CrimsonZephyr]

dragonflight288 wrote...

I personally think that helping Tallis was the right thing. I mean Varic said it best. There's nothing wrong with stealing from Orlesians. lol.

Yeah, but letting a member of the Qunari equivalent of the MIB retrieve a NOC list of every Qunari agent in Thedas, potentially allow them to continually collect intelligence on every country in Thedas is most definitely the bad thing to do.

It's also the only thing you can do.

Modifié par CrimsonZephyr, 13 octobre 2011 - 08:31 .

[Big I]

You've just been defeated. You've just seen all your men and your pet wyvern killed in front of you. You're currently dangling over a cliff at the mercy of your opponent. Do you:

a) bargain for your life?

plead for your life?

c) swear vengence against your opponent's city in a petulant act of defiance (and attempt to attack them if they try to save you)?


If you chose © then you're Duke Prosper.

[SicSemper T Rex]

I felt really bad for the poor Duke. His only crime was trying to protect his country. He was no less a patriot than Tallis!

[Addai]

It must have been hysteria brought on by eating too much moldy cheese.

Someone want to take a stab at how he had bombs when he didn't have the recipe for gunpowder?

[CrimsonZephyr]

Addai67 wrote...
Someone want to take a stab at how he had bombs when he didn't have the recipe for gunpowder?

A wizard did it.

[Addai]

Yes but those are like flasks, more like molotov cocktails, with very little area of effect. This looked and sounded like gunpowder blasts.

And I have to agree that the temper tantrum was an idiot ball move. Why not just ASK what the list was before going off?

Modifié par Addai67, 15 octobre 2011 - 04:32 .

[ev76]

To me duke prosper was fed up with the failure of the meeting, and he blew a casket when he saw hawke and friends. As far as choices and them leading to the same outcome,I can only think back to the last couple of dialogue lines the sarebaas in sheperding wolves said. Something to the extent that their is only one path and it leads to the Qun, then tells hawke to remember that day.
It seems to me that everything in the dragon age world is fallin in favor of the qunari religion. The qunari religion is gaining strength and I'm Getting more interested in the possibilities da3 can bring or future dlc.