Just out of curiosity (and a search in the forum yielded 0 results, btw): Do GoD fans exist on the bioboards? I noticed that the Valen Shadowbreath thread in the HotU forums are 40+ pages, and I'm sure most people who frequent the NWN2 spoiler boards have at least noticed the Bishop thread. Ignoring the lack of Casavir threads (which I assume is because all he ever does is OLD OWLS WELL BLAHBLAHBLAH), it seems kinda odd that no one seems to actually like Gann (at least not enough to dedicate a thread to the smurf).
Personally, I thought he was a much better romance option for female PCs (and Safiya >>> Elanee and Neeshka), despite being incredibly long-winded (brevity is the soul of wit, dude. Learn it.) It strikes me as odd that Bishop appears more popular (or even Valen...who hails from an even older game), despite the general nasal-whineness.
So. Gann fans: do you exist?
Gann of Dreams Fangirls/boys: Do you exist?
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Posté 14 octobre 2011 - 03:51
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My biggest problem with Gann was that he didn't look at all like a hagspawn. If anything he resembled the description of a zenythri:
"Zenythris most resemble perfectly formed humans. They range in height from 5’7 to 6’3 with perfectly smooth skin, evenly shaped bodies, and well-defined muscles. Even their hair naturally forms into the zenythri’s personal style. They are often attractive by human standards, and could easily pass as one if not for the bluish-purple tint to their skin."
"Zenythris most resemble perfectly formed humans. They range in height from 5’7 to 6’3 with perfectly smooth skin, evenly shaped bodies, and well-defined muscles. Even their hair naturally forms into the zenythri’s personal style. They are often attractive by human standards, and could easily pass as one if not for the bluish-purple tint to their skin."
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Posté 14 octobre 2011 - 03:16
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Oh? I'd never even heard of a "zenythris" until you posted, so I can't say I was bothered by the same thing. I did think the whole "Gann is an attractive and witty hagspawn" thing was kinda LULZ worthy initially, but it did later tie in*** with the whole theme of the game, so I ended up not minding it so much (and really, I don't think Obsidian is marketing-dumb enough to give the f!KC an ugly LI).
I'm just surprised by the utter lack of fans because he's actually fairly funny, voiced by Crispin Freeman (though apparently his star power means nothing on the BSN...XD), can take some ribbing from the KC, is neither a whiny **** nor a sanctimonious morality cop; best of all he doesn't talk as though he learned English out of a terrible historical romance novel. I can sort-of understand why Bishop would be popular with certain segments of the population, but what about everybody else?
...is it because he's blue? XD
***If I recall correctly, it's because his mother and father actually loved each other; if you take him to stand in front of one of those mirrors during the puzzle at the academy, he apparently shows as a normal hagspawn in the reflection, though I've never tried it myself. It'd be pretty funny if the pretty turned out to be illusory...I'd lol.
I'm just surprised by the utter lack of fans because he's actually fairly funny, voiced by Crispin Freeman (though apparently his star power means nothing on the BSN...XD), can take some ribbing from the KC, is neither a whiny **** nor a sanctimonious morality cop; best of all he doesn't talk as though he learned English out of a terrible historical romance novel. I can sort-of understand why Bishop would be popular with certain segments of the population, but what about everybody else?
...is it because he's blue? XD
***If I recall correctly, it's because his mother and father actually loved each other; if you take him to stand in front of one of those mirrors during the puzzle at the academy, he apparently shows as a normal hagspawn in the reflection, though I've never tried it myself. It'd be pretty funny if the pretty turned out to be illusory...I'd lol.
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Posté 14 octobre 2011 - 04:47
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Gann had a couple of fans, but really neither MOTB or SOZ ever generated the kind of discussion the main OC did. I guess MOTB sales were good enough to do another sequel, but I'm sure there was a dropoff.
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@I_Raps:
Which is both surprising and a great pity, as I was of the opinion that MotB >>> OC. It was a tighter story overall, with better thematic points and representation. I could sort of see where the writers were going with the OC, but if they wanted to really nail the whole "heroism isn't getting that +12 hackmaster and getting the keys to the city, y'guys" thing out of the ball park they needed some more narrative cohesion. And the good/evil options didn't really work towards it that well, either...but that's just me.
Which is both surprising and a great pity, as I was of the opinion that MotB >>> OC. It was a tighter story overall, with better thematic points and representation. I could sort of see where the writers were going with the OC, but if they wanted to really nail the whole "heroism isn't getting that +12 hackmaster and getting the keys to the city, y'guys" thing out of the ball park they needed some more narrative cohesion. And the good/evil options didn't really work towards it that well, either...but that's just me.
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Posté 17 octobre 2011 - 10:21
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My opinion toward Gann is that....he is common...er... sort of.
His mother faced a serious conflict and a bad ending of her love.
Gann neither endure the painful consequence nor find more truth behind it.
And at the end of his conflict, he chooses the option in a bored mood."Kill them all!!! You did bad thing to my mother and you will take it!!"
...bored enough to me.......flavorless.
He could do something better to hag's knowledge in dreams. He didn't.
He could give more comments to hag's judgement about his mother. Nothing.
He could show more emotion motivation when his mother speaks the truths. Yes, he was angry and confused....Still too calm to me....not dramatic....
What about the faithless wall? Gann couldn't careless if he wasn't going to face the same fate which is ending up in that wall for no deity. okay, suppose Dove debated too much about it and no room left for Gann.... Come on, give me some opinions!!!
I say, Gann is a person doesn't have too much thinking going on inside of him. everything is plain in front of him.
I expected much more from him because he entered so many dreams. His experience gives him not so much wisdom.....honestly.....
He has a good personality to be a good guy to hang out with. Attractive, funny......but he shows nothing on seriously issues except technology support.(dreal walker skill)
His mother faced a serious conflict and a bad ending of her love.
Gann neither endure the painful consequence nor find more truth behind it.
And at the end of his conflict, he chooses the option in a bored mood."Kill them all!!! You did bad thing to my mother and you will take it!!"
...bored enough to me.......flavorless.
He could do something better to hag's knowledge in dreams. He didn't.
He could give more comments to hag's judgement about his mother. Nothing.
He could show more emotion motivation when his mother speaks the truths. Yes, he was angry and confused....Still too calm to me....not dramatic....
What about the faithless wall? Gann couldn't careless if he wasn't going to face the same fate which is ending up in that wall for no deity. okay, suppose Dove debated too much about it and no room left for Gann.... Come on, give me some opinions!!!
I say, Gann is a person doesn't have too much thinking going on inside of him. everything is plain in front of him.
I expected much more from him because he entered so many dreams. His experience gives him not so much wisdom.....honestly.....
He has a good personality to be a good guy to hang out with. Attractive, funny......but he shows nothing on seriously issues except technology support.(dreal walker skill)
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Posté 23 octobre 2011 - 02:52
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Here I am. Sort of. I like to think of myself as a fan, without the potentially negative implications of fangirl/boy-ism. 
I've only registered today, even though I've been watching the forums for well over a year. I'm also a fan of Crispin Freeman's voice acting, and I find he fits the character perfectly. Don't know why there is barely any discussion of Gann.
I've only registered today, even though I've been watching the forums for well over a year. I'm also a fan of Crispin Freeman's voice acting, and I find he fits the character perfectly. Don't know why there is barely any discussion of Gann.
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Posté 25 octobre 2011 - 10:50
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There's one right here. I'm just not the type to gab endlessly about this or that character in a dedicated thread. Playing the game is often enough. I don't get anything out of screaming from the rooftops about how much I adored a character.
I liked Gann. He was amusing and had an understated humor about him. Most love interests with a roguish personality are too flamboyant about it. Gann was a nice change of pace. Although I'm normally a picky about lore accuracy. I recall Avellone stating in an interview that they knew what hagspawn were like and intentionally made Gann how he is. They don't let the rulebooks get in the way of what kind of characters they want to write.
I think the reason Gann doesn't garner so much attention, other than MotB's exposure being less than the OC and HotU, is that he's not "tough". When we meet him, he is hanging out in a jail cell. He refuses to help the KC face Okku without coaxing. That makes him come across as a bit wimpy, even if he proves otherwise later. Then there is his pretty boy appearance and his obvious vanity.
Bishop may be pond scum who deserves death, but he's handsome if you like the scruffy look. (Eh, guyliner notwithstanding.) He also presents an archetype some women go crazy over.
Valen is like a combination of Bishop and Gann's best without their worst. He is selfish without being vain, and pretty without being effeminate. He's tortured, but not beyond redemption; tough *and* cute. Unlike Bishop, Valen has a real romance track that can end in happiness for the player character. And unlike Gann, he is passionate and invested in the relationship.
Gann's romance is so subtle his declaration of affection seems like it comes out of nowhere if you aren't paying close attention. He doesn't really take the KC aside before then to flirt shamelessly, or make a romantic gesture. There is some light suggestive talk at points, sure, but it's sort of... there. That was fine for me since I don't need neon signposts telling me "YOU ARE ENTERING ROMANCE CHAT". If the tastes of BSN forumites are any indicaton, Gann's romance just wasn't forward enough. It lacked presence.
I liked Gann. He was amusing and had an understated humor about him. Most love interests with a roguish personality are too flamboyant about it. Gann was a nice change of pace. Although I'm normally a picky about lore accuracy. I recall Avellone stating in an interview that they knew what hagspawn were like and intentionally made Gann how he is. They don't let the rulebooks get in the way of what kind of characters they want to write.
I think the reason Gann doesn't garner so much attention, other than MotB's exposure being less than the OC and HotU, is that he's not "tough". When we meet him, he is hanging out in a jail cell. He refuses to help the KC face Okku without coaxing. That makes him come across as a bit wimpy, even if he proves otherwise later. Then there is his pretty boy appearance and his obvious vanity.
Bishop may be pond scum who deserves death, but he's handsome if you like the scruffy look. (Eh, guyliner notwithstanding.) He also presents an archetype some women go crazy over.
Valen is like a combination of Bishop and Gann's best without their worst. He is selfish without being vain, and pretty without being effeminate. He's tortured, but not beyond redemption; tough *and* cute. Unlike Bishop, Valen has a real romance track that can end in happiness for the player character. And unlike Gann, he is passionate and invested in the relationship.
Gann's romance is so subtle his declaration of affection seems like it comes out of nowhere if you aren't paying close attention. He doesn't really take the KC aside before then to flirt shamelessly, or make a romantic gesture. There is some light suggestive talk at points, sure, but it's sort of... there. That was fine for me since I don't need neon signposts telling me "YOU ARE ENTERING ROMANCE CHAT". If the tastes of BSN forumites are any indicaton, Gann's romance just wasn't forward enough. It lacked presence.
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Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 04:25
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Heh, was browsing for something totally different but thought I'd throw my thoughts in despite the old topic.
Gann turned out to be one of my favorite Bioware romance options (from an OOC perspective ... my gals all have differing tastes) -- keeping in mind I didn't play the ME or KotoR series. (EDIT: I'd include Jade Empire but my lady romanced another lady there, so.) He can laugh at himself and doesn't need the KC to boost him past confidence issues. Pretty sexy imo. It's also nice to have someone not be falling all over themselves around the PC. Sweet is OK sometimes, but a guy that enjoys some snark (and can give as good as he gets) is better.
As a bonus, my sensible evil gal finally got a shot at some lovin from somebody that doesn't have a giant, neon "damaged goods" sign over his head.
OTHER BIOWARE ROMANCE-ABLES LIGHTLY DISCUSSED, SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Compare to:
1) Valen: I just had a hard time believing that he could be that attractive but seemed shocked by the PC's interest. Then there's the whole blood feud awkwardness. Still, he's passionate, loyal, hot, seeking redemption (without being too emo about it) and not overly judgmental, so definitely not a bad package (if a little overly idealized).
2) Casavir: ... :{ A total zealot could have been an interesting character, but god he was written to be dull as dishwater. He's an older guy, which could be a cool deviation if he'd been confident and given off this experienced, worldly vibe (think "the most interesting man in the world" commercials). But he's as awkward as a typical teenager around the KC, which sorta hints that you'd have to train him in the sack. Blech. No thanks.
3) Bishop: I found him to be fascinating, and a nice deviation from the standard sociopath that chaotic evil is usually played off as for comic effect (well, right up until his chaotic derp moment toward the end, anyway). He's written to be handsome and is the obvious alpha out of the males, which can be fun. Still, even the character I did romance him on -- a thrillseeker and a hedonist -- had to know he was emotionally/psychologically broken in key ways and that there was nothing long-term. Tons o baggage, not good beyond a fling.
4) Alistair: Another one with a sense of humor about himself (always a plus) and boyish good looks, but his confidence issues and lack of a backbone when it comes to what he wants (broke my poor little mage's heart because she didn't "harden" him ... Freudian lololol) leave a ton to be desired. Plus, I'm pretty sure he hasn't mastered his taint. (Sorry, I couldn't resist ... )
5) Zevran: Pervy sense of humor and joie de vivre just make him fun to be around. Makes no bones about going after what he wants because he has no lack of confidence there. That whole "murder for money" thing is kinda hard to gloss over in the psychological department, though, no matter how loyal he is. Plus, his sexual experience is canceled by the high probably of STDs. Ick.
EDIT EDIT: I forgot DA2!
6) Anders: Manic depressive and he's got a second personality to worry about. I've only done rivalmance here, and it was compelling and a nicely tragic story throughout. From an RL perspective though he might be an even worse option that Bishop, despite the fact that Anders wants to be a good man. Bishop is at least too self-centered to stalk you, while Anders obviously obsesses over Hawke.
7) Fenris: He has intensity and DAT VOICE going for him, but honestly his mage grudge gets really, really old by the second act. I understand his mistrust, but when you've had your backside saved by a mage you also carried on a romantic relationship with for awhile, and you STILL go emo about mages... blech. Broken record, and there's suggestions in-game that he drinks way too much.
Gann turned out to be one of my favorite Bioware romance options (from an OOC perspective ... my gals all have differing tastes) -- keeping in mind I didn't play the ME or KotoR series. (EDIT: I'd include Jade Empire but my lady romanced another lady there, so.) He can laugh at himself and doesn't need the KC to boost him past confidence issues. Pretty sexy imo. It's also nice to have someone not be falling all over themselves around the PC. Sweet is OK sometimes, but a guy that enjoys some snark (and can give as good as he gets) is better.
As a bonus, my sensible evil gal finally got a shot at some lovin from somebody that doesn't have a giant, neon "damaged goods" sign over his head.
OTHER BIOWARE ROMANCE-ABLES LIGHTLY DISCUSSED, SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Compare to:
1) Valen: I just had a hard time believing that he could be that attractive but seemed shocked by the PC's interest. Then there's the whole blood feud awkwardness. Still, he's passionate, loyal, hot, seeking redemption (without being too emo about it) and not overly judgmental, so definitely not a bad package (if a little overly idealized).
2) Casavir: ... :{ A total zealot could have been an interesting character, but god he was written to be dull as dishwater. He's an older guy, which could be a cool deviation if he'd been confident and given off this experienced, worldly vibe (think "the most interesting man in the world" commercials). But he's as awkward as a typical teenager around the KC, which sorta hints that you'd have to train him in the sack. Blech. No thanks.
3) Bishop: I found him to be fascinating, and a nice deviation from the standard sociopath that chaotic evil is usually played off as for comic effect (well, right up until his chaotic derp moment toward the end, anyway). He's written to be handsome and is the obvious alpha out of the males, which can be fun. Still, even the character I did romance him on -- a thrillseeker and a hedonist -- had to know he was emotionally/psychologically broken in key ways and that there was nothing long-term. Tons o baggage, not good beyond a fling.
4) Alistair: Another one with a sense of humor about himself (always a plus) and boyish good looks, but his confidence issues and lack of a backbone when it comes to what he wants (broke my poor little mage's heart because she didn't "harden" him ... Freudian lololol) leave a ton to be desired. Plus, I'm pretty sure he hasn't mastered his taint. (Sorry, I couldn't resist ... )
5) Zevran: Pervy sense of humor and joie de vivre just make him fun to be around. Makes no bones about going after what he wants because he has no lack of confidence there. That whole "murder for money" thing is kinda hard to gloss over in the psychological department, though, no matter how loyal he is. Plus, his sexual experience is canceled by the high probably of STDs. Ick.
EDIT EDIT: I forgot DA2!
6) Anders: Manic depressive and he's got a second personality to worry about. I've only done rivalmance here, and it was compelling and a nicely tragic story throughout. From an RL perspective though he might be an even worse option that Bishop, despite the fact that Anders wants to be a good man. Bishop is at least too self-centered to stalk you, while Anders obviously obsesses over Hawke.
7) Fenris: He has intensity and DAT VOICE going for him, but honestly his mage grudge gets really, really old by the second act. I understand his mistrust, but when you've had your backside saved by a mage you also carried on a romantic relationship with for awhile, and you STILL go emo about mages... blech. Broken record, and there's suggestions in-game that he drinks way too much.
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I'm surprised Gann isn't more popular either. He's handsome, fun, flirty, snarky, exotic, and voiced by Crispin Freeman. If that isn't a recipe for instant popularity, I don't know what is. Maybe the expansion pack didn't do as well as the original?
With all that said, my love for Gann is tempered by two factors (well, three).
First, while he's very witty and snarky and has great banter, he's also kind of unpredictable in the influence department. Before reading any "how to gain influence" spoilers, I remember making tons of comments that I thought he would like and was often shocked by his negative reactions. I'm not even one of those people who's obsessed with gaining 100% influence instantly, but I still found his fluctuating hot/cold reactions a little unsettling.
I also have a hard time believing Gann would fall so hard for the PC when he has never shown any prior interest in romance or a committed relationship. Granted, there are reasons why he's so polygamous (abandonment issues, fear of emotional intimacy, looking for love in sex, etc.) and you can help him through a lot of those issues when you befriend him, romance him, confront his mother with him, etc. But by the same token, I personally have a hard time believing a person who's only had casual flings his entire life would suddenly be willing to make a complete 180, fall in deep romantic love and commit to an exclusive monogamous relationship for all of eternity without any problems.
I guess that's part of why I love Zevran from DA:O. I think Zevran is very similar to Gann in terms of personality and background, but with my personal grievances for the latter removed. In terms of influence, Zevran is much more easy-going than Gann. He was also in love with someone prior to meeting the PC, which makes him falling in love more believable to me. He also messed up with that person and learned from his mistakes for his second love, which I again find more believable because, let's face it, we all mess up with our first love (which is part of why I find anything-with-a-skirt Gann suddenly becoming the perfect boyfriend with the first girl he commits to so unrealistic). I also find Zevran's discomfort about moving from a playboy lifestyle to a committed romantic relationship much more realistic than Gann, and much more endearing.
With that said, there is a serious charm to Gann that Zevran can never hope to possess, so I guess it evens out.
With all that said, my love for Gann is tempered by two factors (well, three).
First, while he's very witty and snarky and has great banter, he's also kind of unpredictable in the influence department. Before reading any "how to gain influence" spoilers, I remember making tons of comments that I thought he would like and was often shocked by his negative reactions. I'm not even one of those people who's obsessed with gaining 100% influence instantly, but I still found his fluctuating hot/cold reactions a little unsettling.
I also have a hard time believing Gann would fall so hard for the PC when he has never shown any prior interest in romance or a committed relationship. Granted, there are reasons why he's so polygamous (abandonment issues, fear of emotional intimacy, looking for love in sex, etc.) and you can help him through a lot of those issues when you befriend him, romance him, confront his mother with him, etc. But by the same token, I personally have a hard time believing a person who's only had casual flings his entire life would suddenly be willing to make a complete 180, fall in deep romantic love and commit to an exclusive monogamous relationship for all of eternity without any problems.
I guess that's part of why I love Zevran from DA:O. I think Zevran is very similar to Gann in terms of personality and background, but with my personal grievances for the latter removed. In terms of influence, Zevran is much more easy-going than Gann. He was also in love with someone prior to meeting the PC, which makes him falling in love more believable to me. He also messed up with that person and learned from his mistakes for his second love, which I again find more believable because, let's face it, we all mess up with our first love (which is part of why I find anything-with-a-skirt Gann suddenly becoming the perfect boyfriend with the first girl he commits to so unrealistic). I also find Zevran's discomfort about moving from a playboy lifestyle to a committed romantic relationship much more realistic than Gann, and much more endearing.
With that said, there is a serious charm to Gann that Zevran can never hope to possess, so I guess it evens out.
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Lol I didn't particularly imagine Gann would become the perfect boyfriend, never looking at another woman ever. I do think he was written so that the PC must interest and stimulate him on an intellectual level before he starts to actually fall for her. Not that sex was off the table until then or anything. However, I have seen the "bad boy" type fall for a nice girl and happily settle down in real life (not my own relationship, but the guy was a friend of mine) so while it doesn't happen often, it does happen. For Gann, I don't think he'd met his intellectual match before.
I don't recall any super surprises on his influence; he likes a smartass, dislikes any hints of religiousness, dislikes any notion that he owes anyone anything. Seemed pretty consistent (but it has been quite awhile for me).
I don't recall any super surprises on his influence; he likes a smartass, dislikes any hints of religiousness, dislikes any notion that he owes anyone anything. Seemed pretty consistent (but it has been quite awhile for me).
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Lol I didn't particularly imagine Gann would become the perfect boyfriend, never looking at another woman ever. I do think he was written so that the PC must interest and stimulate him on an intellectual level before he starts to actually fall for her. Not that sex was off the table until then or anything. However, I have seen the "bad boy" type fall for a nice girl and happily settle down in real life (not my own relationship, but the guy was a friend of mine) so while it doesn't happen often, it does happen. For Gann, I don't think he'd met his intellectual match before.
Heh, I don't know, the game seems to try to pass it off that he does. It's been a while for me too, but if memory serves, after you help Gann through his mommy issues and declare your love for one another (and I guess your influence is high enough), he almost instantly loves you back enough that he has no reservations, no insecurities, is completely devoted to you and is willing to spend the rest of his life with you without even needing to think twice about it.
It certainly seems that way for the "good" endings. For example, if you choose to protect the Wall of Faithless for all eternity, then religion-hating, freedom-loving Gann will choose to stay by your side without a second thought, and the epilogue shows that you remain in love for all eternity. If you choose not to protect the wall but manage to get rid of the Spirit-Eater Curse, then the two of you travel and get married and live happily ever after. I'm not sure about other endings, but you get my point.
It's very sweet, but a little instantaneous. If Gann ever showed any prior commitment to any person, then I would have a much easier time believing he would do so for the PC. If he showed any hesitation or need for adjustment over the transition from complete playboy to complete monogomy, then I would find his devotion to the PC a little more believable. As it is, going from aimless thrill-seeker (who only joins the party because he's promised some fun) to completely devoted boyfriend who's willing to stay with you even when the fun's over (like guarding that horrible wall for eternity) over the course of a couple of days just doesn't seem that believable to me. Not game-breakingly so and not enough to dampen my love for this character, but enough to raise a skeptical brow.
I guess it depends on who you are. It's been a while for me too, but if memory serves you have to pass diplomacy checks and be able to know when he wants to joke and when he wants you to be serious. I have no such intuition.I don't recall any super surprises on his influence; he likes a smartass, dislikes any hints of religiousness, dislikes any notion that he owes anyone anything. Seemed pretty consistent (but it has been quite awhile for me).
Often times I would be polite when he joked around, which pissed him off, showed sympathy for his background (since I thought making a joke would be innapropriate), which pissed him off, and would try to joke back at some points, only for it to work like a charm sometimes but ****** him off at other times since apparently he didn't think THAT joke was funny. I just got so frustrated after a while. I remember thinking that trying to befriend a guy who gets pissy when you try to be nice to him and only reacts positively to some snarking but not others was like trying to tread a land mine.
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Posté 07 décembre 2012 - 01:28
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I played an insensitive, self-centered gal with a clever tongue when I did the romance (unfortunately my last playthrough wasn't even my last romance, because my last playthrough my girl was way too serious and lawful so she wasn't at all his type). I can't remember what ending I got with her, something selfish I'm sure (so no guarding the wall for all eternity and probably not any of the good endings period) but if you're right, then yeah, that's pretty unbelievable. Of course I always felt the span of the whole game is unbelievable for romances in general, even assuming you guys have plenty of conversation/shenanigans "off camera" so to speak. I admit to kind of hand-waiving that. 
I can even see Gann remaining mostly as long as the two kept adventuring, but imo he'd be very bored with stability in everything, and would quickly crack under guard the wall mode or "settle in a nice little house and make babies" mode. I'm a little disappointed in the writers if that's where they went with it.
I can even see Gann remaining mostly as long as the two kept adventuring, but imo he'd be very bored with stability in everything, and would quickly crack under guard the wall mode or "settle in a nice little house and make babies" mode. I'm a little disappointed in the writers if that's where they went with it.
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I played an insensitive, self-centered gal with a clever tongue when I did the romance (unfortunately my last playthrough wasn't even my last romance, because my last playthrough my girl was way too serious and lawful so she wasn't at all his type). I can't remember what ending I got with her, something selfish I'm sure (so no guarding the wall for all eternity and probably not any of the good endings period) but if you're right, then yeah, that's pretty unbelievable. Of course I always felt the span of the whole game is unbelievable for romances in general, even assuming you guys have plenty of conversation/shenanigans "off camera" so to speak. I admit to kind of hand-waiving that.
I've never made the decision to guard the wall either, but I remember reading about it in walkthroughs and Let's Plays (I don't do evil endings). The point is once you enter a full romance with Gann and help him overcome his abandonment issues by confronting his mother and the Hags that ruined his life, he is instantly yours and never wavers on his absolute devotion no matter what you do. For a guy who has never committed to anyone or anything before meeting the PC, I just find this effortless 180 of his previous personality and lifestyle plain unrealistic.
I can kind of buy two people getting swept up in passion and thinking they're in love after spending some time traveling together (nothing gets the adrenaline pumping quite like adventuring, right?), and possibly being compatible enough to build up a more solid relationship over time. But like I said, effortlessly going from thrill-seeker to monogomous partner is asking a little much for me to believe.
Once again, Zevran is another character that was raised communally (so he also has no concept of filial love or stability) and has had nothing but passionless polygamous sex his entire life. As such, he isn't quite sure how to deal with love when he feels it, and quite believably messes up with the first person he falls for. (Think Rinna.) As such, he's able to learn from his mistakes and become a better partner through trial and error, not magically getting it right the first time like with Gann. Even then, Zevran feels insecurity and discomfort at the idea of romantic love instead of passionless sex, and he needs time to adjust to the transition. *shrug*
I can even see Gann remaining mostly as long as the two kept adventuring, but imo he'd be very bored with stability in everything, and would quickly crack under guard the wall mode or "settle in a nice little house and make babies" mode. I'm a little disappointed in the writers if that's where they went with it.
If you get married, it's implied you keep adventuring together, but still.
Based on some of the endings I've read about, that's what the writers seemed to go with.
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Posté 08 décembre 2012 - 07:12
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Yah, that's disappointing then. Still, I do really enjoy the character himself even if he got shoehorned into fitting a stereotypical "happily ever after".
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Posté 09 décembre 2012 - 12:27
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That's true, Gann is a very awesome character when all is said and done. =)
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