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[Foolsfolly]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I'm fairly certain that if war was resumed, humanity would not have the might required to destroy the Qunari. The last Qunari war "strained most human nations to the point of collapse" and they hadn't even removed them from Rivain yet, much less Par Vollen.

This is true but so is the fact that the Qunari did cover Thedas. They were repelled and while it took the combined nations of Thedas to do it the Qunari were defeated. They didn't defeat Thedas.

I have no idea how much the Qunari have advanced in technology in three hundred years. I imagine a whole hell of a lot but they don't seem to have mastered chest pieces in their armor in DA2 so I don't know...

But I think perhaps they've got better weapons in that time. Perhaps something greater than the combined nations of Thedas can deal with. That gas in Act 2 is hundreds of years ahead of the rest of the world alone.

[Mr.House]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

I wanted to confront Tallis and actually demand an answer about the Qunari FORCING their religion on others. She acts like they're some persecuted religion who just wants to keep peacefully to themselves, when it's the Qunari who are constantly invading and attacking places in Thedas, conquering them and forcing them into the Qun, breaking up families and forcing breedings, etc. It's like if the door to door missionaries didn't even bother knocking or talking, but just broke in killing, raping, and pillaging.

I have no sympathy for the Qunari, but then again, I didn't understand what my Hawke's motivation was for going along with Tallis in the first place. Why would I want to steal some jewel for some random elf? What do I get out this, and what if I'm some lawful aligned warrior? Maybe I missed something, so enlighten me if I did.

The Chantry also forces there religion, it's only that at least with the Qunari they don't bs you and play you like a fiddle while feeding you half truths and fake stories.

Yeah, if you say no, they torture you. If you still say no, they mind-rape you and send you to work to death in mines.

Charming people.

EDIT: The minute it became about sticking it to the Qunari, Orlais was small time. Who cares about the snooty noblemen when there are Viddethari to slaughter?

If you say no, they kill you, they don't torture you. The only time they will do a mind thing is in uniuqe cases, like in Izzys and that ism ore of a punishment then anything.

Also you call them butchers yet I see more crime from the Chantry and humans then I do from the Qunari.

[TEWR]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

I wanted to confront Tallis and actually demand an answer about the Qunari FORCING their religion on others. She acts like they're some persecuted religion who just wants to keep peacefully to themselves, when it's the Qunari who are constantly invading and attacking places in Thedas, conquering them and forcing them into the Qun, breaking up families and forcing breedings, etc. It's like if the door to door missionaries didn't even bother knocking or talking, but just broke in killing, raping, and pillaging.

I have no sympathy for the Qunari, but then again, I didn't understand what my Hawke's motivation was for going along with Tallis in the first place. Why would I want to steal some jewel for some random elf? What do I get out this, and what if I'm some lawful aligned warrior? Maybe I missed something, so enlighten me if I did.

The Chantry also forces there religion, it's only that at least with the Qunari they don't bs you and play you like a fiddle while feeding you half truths and fake stories.

Yeah, if you say no, they torture you. If you still say no, they mind-rape you and send you to work to death in mines.

Charming people.

EDIT: The minute it became about sticking it to the Qunari, Orlais was small time. Who cares about the snooty noblemen when there are Viddethari to slaughter?

And if mutlple agents of the Qunari turn out to be in Ferelden and Orlais decides that's reason enough to actually invade? What then?

Granted there's nothing in the DLC to support Qunari agents actually being stationed in Ferelden aside from us knowing that there are Qunari agents throughout Thedas.

[Mr.House]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I'm fairly certain that if war was resumed, humanity would not have the might required to destroy the Qunari. The last Qunari war "strained most human nations to the point of collapse" and they hadn't even removed them from Rivain yet, much less Par Vollen.

This is true but so is the fact that the Qunari did cover Thedas. They were repelled and while it took the combined nations of Thedas to do it the Qunari were defeated. They didn't defeat Thedas.

They where not repled, the war ended in a stalemate, a truce was signed.

[TEWR]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I'm fairly certain that if war was resumed, humanity would not have the might required to destroy the Qunari. The last Qunari war "strained most human nations to the point of collapse" and they hadn't even removed them from Rivain yet, much less Par Vollen.

This is true but so is the fact that the Qunari did cover Thedas. They were repelled and while it took the combined nations of Thedas to do it the Qunari were defeated. They didn't defeat Thedas.

I have no idea how much the Qunari have advanced in technology in three hundred years. I imagine a whole hell of a lot but they don't seem to have mastered chest pieces in their armor in DA2 so I don't know...

But I think perhaps they've got better weapons in that time. Perhaps something greater than the combined nations of Thedas can deal with. That gas in Act 2 is hundreds of years ahead of the rest of the world alone.

The Qunari weren't actually defeated. They retreated because Rivain's populus was suffering from the war, so they felt that rather than draw it out and cause even more misery they should stop..

[jlb524]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

You're a Fereldan who can deal a heavy blow to Orlesian pride. Why wouldn't you want to steal from an Orlesian, especially if they're planning on invading your former homeland (again)?

Ideally, I wanted to take the scrolls and give them to Ferelden (King Alistair in my game)...she definitely wouldn't want the Orlesians to have them but feels that this information could come in handy when the Qunari invade and kill or try to convert all in their way.

Mr.House wrote...

Yet a mage can join the Bas-Hassrath and have more purpose with al ittle more freedom. What can a mage of the Chantry hope for? Nothing.

The Circle mages don't have to wear those darling prison-suit things, though.

Modifié par jlb524, 14 octobre 2011 - 03:03 .

[Mr.House]

Rojahar wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

I wanted to confront Tallis and actually demand an answer about the Qunari FORCING their religion on others. She acts like they're some persecuted religion who just wants to keep peacefully to themselves, when it's the Qunari who are constantly invading and attacking places in Thedas, conquering them and forcing them into the Qun, breaking up families and forcing breedings, etc. It's like if the door to door missionaries didn't even bother knocking or talking, but just broke in killing, raping, and pillaging.

I have no sympathy for the Qunari, but then again, I didn't understand what my Hawke's motivation was for going along with Tallis in the first place. Why would I want to steal some jewel for some random elf? What do I get out this, and what if I'm some lawful aligned warrior? Maybe I missed something, so enlighten me if I did.

The Chantry also forces there religion, it's only that at least with the Qunari they don't bs you and play you like a fiddle while feeding you half truths and fake stories.

You're free to be an atheist in Thedas. Aveline isn't a believer, nor is she some exile from society, and was even married to a Templar - who many would assume are all just closed minded crusaders. Nobody forced anything on her the way they would if she lived under the Qunari. You can't even have sex with whoever you want under the Qunari. While neither is perfect, I tend to prefer the less brutal dictators, and just because one is wrong doesn't mean I should have to agree with the other.

Say that to the mages that either are hunted to death or locked in a tower to be abused fort he rest of there life by Templars, be todl you are a curse and the Maker hates you and be treated like your not even human for the rest of your life.

Yes Saarabas are chained, but they stiill move around with there unit, rthey still have freedom as long as it fills a demand of the Qun,and the only time a mages tongue is cut is when they do forbidden magic. You know what happens if you do forbiden magic if your in the circle or a Templar finds you doing it outside the circle? The brand or a sword in the gut.

[Mr.House]

jlb524 wrote...

The Circle mages don't have to wear those darling prison-suit things, though.

It's still of a hell lot better then the circle. I'm not saying the Qun is perfect, it's not. There is alot of issues but things can change. I take the Qun over the Chantry anyday. Chantry can suck an egg.

[jlb524]

Mr.House wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

The Circle mages don't have to wear those darling prison-suit things, though.

It's still of a hell lot better then the circle. I'm not saying the Qun is perfect, it's not. There is alot of issues but things can change. I take the Qun over the Chantry anyday. Chantry can suck an egg.

Oh, this is rich coming from Mr. "I must stand with Meredith and crush the mage rebellion in Kirkwall" House.

[CrimsonZephyr]

Mr.House wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

I wanted to confront Tallis and actually demand an answer about the Qunari FORCING their religion on others. She acts like they're some persecuted religion who just wants to keep peacefully to themselves, when it's the Qunari who are constantly invading and attacking places in Thedas, conquering them and forcing them into the Qun, breaking up families and forcing breedings, etc. It's like if the door to door missionaries didn't even bother knocking or talking, but just broke in killing, raping, and pillaging.

I have no sympathy for the Qunari, but then again, I didn't understand what my Hawke's motivation was for going along with Tallis in the first place. Why would I want to steal some jewel for some random elf? What do I get out this, and what if I'm some lawful aligned warrior? Maybe I missed something, so enlighten me if I did.

The Chantry also forces there religion, it's only that at least with the Qunari they don't bs you and play you like a fiddle while feeding you half truths and fake stories.

You're free to be an atheist in Thedas. Aveline isn't a believer, nor is she some exile from society, and was even married to a Templar - who many would assume are all just closed minded crusaders. Nobody forced anything on her the way they would if she lived under the Qunari. You can't even have sex with whoever you want under the Qunari. While neither is perfect, I tend to prefer the less brutal dictators, and just because one is wrong doesn't mean I should have to agree with the other.

Say that to the mages that either are hunted to death or locked in a tower to be abused fort he rest of there life by Templars, be todl you are a curse and the Maker hates you and be treated like your not even human for the rest of your life.

Yes Saarabas are chained, but they stiill move around with there unit, rthey still have freedom as long as it fills a demand of the Qun,and the only time a mages tongue is cut is when they do forbidden magic. You know what happens if you do forbiden magic if your in the circle or a Templar finds you doing it outside the circle? The brand or a sword in the gut.

So some are treated poorly and have crappy lives and live unfree. In total, that's still better than everyone living under the same rigid structure with little individual freedom.

[Lenimph]

I don't know I think I would prefer the free use of my hands then being chained up...

And "freedom as long as it fill the demand of the Qun" doesn't sound like much freedom to me.

Both suck but I would much rather get my fancy mage robes and lots of books.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Most of the major defects of Chantry rules are much worse under the Qunari. Qunari society is vastly more authoritarian than any of the Andrastian nations. Their treatment of mages is significantly more brutal and their expansionist polices are far more agressive. None of the Chantry's Exalted Marches were called for the expressed purpose of converting unbeleivers only,  The First Qunari War was.

I actually doubt either side would be able to win a total victory if the Qunari War begins again. The Qunari suffered military losses in the last war but that was only indirectly responsible for the Llomerryn Accord. The combined armies of all humanity was only able to push the Qunari back to Rivain, so I can't imagine they could possibly maintain the war while taking the battle to the Qunari's own (adopted) homeland. Similarly though, the Qunari advance was halted in the Free Marches even before the Exalted Marches and they were driven back from that point within 50 years. Unless something drastic changes I don't foresee the Qunari being able to conquer AND hold all of Thedas nor do I see the Andrastian nations being able to fight all the way to Par Vollen to put and end to the Qunari once and for all without suffering some breakdown.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 14 octobre 2011 - 03:22 .

[Mr.House]

jlb524 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

The Circle mages don't have to wear those darling prison-suit things, though.

It's still of a hell lot better then the circle. I'm not saying the Qun is perfect, it's not. There is alot of issues but things can change. I take the Qun over the Chantry anyday. Chantry can suck an egg.

Oh, this is rich coming from Mr. "I must stand with Meredith and crush the mage rebellion in Kirkwall" House.

I don't stand with Meredith to crush a reblion, I stand with the Templars to ensure order in the city because of a mage who went to far, if I had my chocie I would have left the town, or better help the Qunari in act 2 with that mess of a city.

[CrimsonZephyr]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I actually doubt either side would be able to win a total victory if the Qunari War begins again. The Qunari suffered military losses in the last war but that was only indirectly responsible for the Llomerryn Accord. The combined armies of all humanity was only able to push the Qunari back to Rivain, so I can't imagine they could possibly maintain the war while taking the battle to the Qunari's own (adopted) homeland. Similarly though, the Qunari advance was halted in the Free Marches even before the Exalted Marches and they were driven back from that point within 50 years. Unless something drastic changes I don't foresee the Qunari being able to conquer AND hold all of Thedas nor do I see the Andrastian nations being able to fight all the way to Par Vollen to put and end to the Qunari once and for all without suffering some breakdown.

Perhaps if the Magi managed to capture some Qunari tech and managed to reverse engineer it so that, say, instead of a culverin that fired blackpowder-propelled cannonballs, the mages developed a method to use lyrium-enchanted field cannons to hurl magic across a battlefield. It would be a demonstration that Thedas isn't totally static, but because they have different materials (i.e. no knowledge of blackpowder), they have to create workarounds. After all, challenges like that are what spurrs on innovation.

Modifié par CrimsonZephyr, 14 octobre 2011 - 03:25 .

[jlb524]

Mr.House wrote...
I don't stand with Meredith to crush a reblion, I stand with the Templars to ensure order in the city because of a mage who went to far, 

So the obvious choice is to kill all the other mages?

[TEWR]

Hey the Mage-Templar complex! Where every discussion inevitably talks about Mages and Templars and the endgame! It is like the Loghain Complex! Awesome. I thought I was just making up something that wasn't true about the DAII discussions.

[Mr.House]

jlb524 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
I don't stand with Meredith to crush a reblion, I stand with the Templars to ensure order in the city because of a mage who went to far, 

So the obvious choice is to kill all the other mages?

Last time I check, Hawke does not kill every mage, Hawke only goes to teh Templat qouters to kill a corrupt first enchanter who is guarded by demons and blood mages. This is not the topic for this,nor will we get into this. We have alreadsy circle jerked this so much on msn that our opinions will never change. This is about the Qunari and somehow how they are brutes and savages and how humans are inocent butterflies who should be protected.

/looks at what happen to to the elfs

[Mr.House]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Hey the Mage-Templar complex! Where every discussion inevitably talks about Mages and Templars and the endgame! It is like the Loghain Complex! Awesome. I thought I was just making up something that wasn't true about the DAII discussions.

I disagree, the whole mage-Templar thing was really badly done unlike the Loghain thing, hopefuly the writers do a better job in the future. Masker knows, all we need is again Templars being protraied as opresion douchebags and mages being protrayed as crazy loonies who turn to demons and blood magic on a whim. <_<

[TEWR]

Mr.House wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Hey the Mage-Templar complex! Where every discussion inevitably talks about Mages and Templars and the endgame! It is like the Loghain Complex! Awesome. I thought I was just making up something that wasn't true about the DAII discussions.

I disagree, the whole mage-Templar thing was really badly done unlike the Loghain thing, hopefuly the writers do a better job in the future. Masker knows, all we need is again Templars being protraied as opresion douchebags and mages being protrayed as crazy loonies who turn to demons and blood magic on a whim. <_<

I never said the Mage-Templar conflict was done well though. Just that every discussion ends up talking about Mages and Templars.

I hate how the Mage-Templar conflict was handled. And it was handled horribly.

[Mr.House]

Rojahar wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
I don't stand with Meredith to crush a reblion, I stand with the Templars to ensure order in the city because of a mage who went to far, 

So the obvious choice is to kill all the other mages?

Last time I check, Hawke does not kill every mage, Hawke only goes to teh Templat qouters to kill a corrupt first enchanter who is guarded by demons and blood mages. This is not the topic for this,nor will we get into this. We have alreadsy circle jerked this so much on msn that our opinions will never change. This is about the Qunari and somehow how they are brutes and savages and how humans are inocent butterflies who should be protected.

/looks at what happen to to the elfs

How is it about human innocence? You're trying to strawman that if someone criticizes the Qunari, then they think the Chantry is perfect, instead of actually addressing the criticisms of the Qun.

That was sarcasm old bean. I'm well aware of the issues of the Qun, nor do I fully support everything the Qun does. Hoever I see no them no worse the the Chantry and humanity.

[Heather Cline]

These threads are useless. But thanks for being silly.

[Augustei]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Very interesting letter that shows Hawke's overall ignorance on Qunari culture.

Honestly blaming Qunari painters as accessories of the war machine?

A Soldier cannot fight a war with nothing to inspire him.. Even artists play their part.. As subtle as it might be =D