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[HWM Sarge]

 I cannot grasp what some of the alarmed fans expect to prove by cancelling their pre-orders for Mass Effect 3 based solely on speculation about recently announced features. I will admit to being concerned and wary when I first heard word of 4-player co-op, but every bit of news since then has eased my concerns to make me skeptically optimistic (but more optimistic). Cancelling your pre-order only hurts you, proves little economically, and makes you look silly if you buy the game later.

Why did you pre-order in the first place? I pre-ordered the Collectors Edition for the N7 weapons, the dog, the Shepard hoodie, and the bonus squadmate skins. If I remember correctly, the Incisor sniper rifle was part of the Collectors Edition for Mass Effect 2, and it was pretty badass. They also picked up an extra suit of armor and a heavy weapon. I don't want to miss out on these things this time around. The extra things that come with the Collectors Edition for ME3 are just bonus perks to make me feel special. I figured that an extra $20 for some cool swag and some in-game stuff was worth it, considering some of the items, such as the weapons and appearance packs, would probably be released as DLC to the masses at a later date. So, by cancelling your pre-order due to multiplayer concerns, you lose things that enhance your singleplayer experience. Does that really make sense? Cancelling out on bonus single player content because of an optional multipalyer feature does not seem to make sense to me.

The next problem I see with this concept is the idea that cancelling a pre-order will hurt the company economically and force them to change. I don't see how cancelling will affect BioWare and EA's profits enough to force them to remove the multiplayer components. These companies have invested a great deal of time and money into these features to make sure they work. Mass Effect 2 is a well-loved game by many of its fans, and EA knows this. They are not going to tack on a poorly-made co-op engine with the hopes of tricking new customers into the game, because they know they're relying on current fans to convince their friends who haven't played the game to buy it. They know that a good co-op system with an amazing single-player experience will have the gamers buzzing about it constantly and will thus drag more people in. Moreover, the bulk of their profits on the game come from the actual sale of the game, not the preorders. So, once again, how do you propose to harm them economically? If a small percentage of preorders cancel, how's that going to compare to the millions of copy this game will sell anyway to the casual fans who will hop on as soon as the pre-release campaign starts?

Lastly, and this is far more subjective, how are you going to feel later if Mass Effect 3 succeeds? Mass Effect 3 is five months away, and we will continue to learn more tidbits about the game as we get closer to release. Some people threatening to cancel their preorders, or those who actually did, will probably end up playing the game anyway at some point. If you're as passionate a fan as you claim to be that you will jump ship to "save the game," then I find it highly unlikely that you will actually NOT play Mass Effect 3. What will you think of yourself if you play the game and find that you really love it like you did the first two games? Granted, this assumes that Mass Effect 3 is good, and we've yet to play it. But, honestly, prior to the announcement a few days ago about multiplayer, we didn't see all these freakout posts. What will you do if the single-player is as amazing as it looks like it's going to be, and what will you do if you actually find the co-op enjoyable???

I just needed to get this off of my chest. After skimming throgh literally thousands of posts expressing deep anger and hatred for multiplayer, BioWare, EA, and such, I just can't wrap my mind around the idea that cancelling my pre-order will really accomplish anything. I am looking forward to the collectors edition stuff I will receive on March 6th, I don't see how your loss of a guaranteed $60-$80 will actually make EA or BioWare flinch, and I wonder how you'll feel if the game actually succeeds.

My thoughts. I'm sure many of you will disagree and post all-caps rage posts in here about how BioWare has been poisoned by EA, co-op will destroy single player, multiplayer will suck up all the disc space, and how the resources spent on an entirely different studio to develop an awesome co-op experience to complement the awesome single player experience is a waste of singleplayer resources. Have fun with those, but respond to the three points I made, please?

[GMagnum]

ummmmmm ok im not reading dat [stuff] but canceling dont do a damn thing, bioware still gonna make hella money rooooofl they dont give a [darn-diggly-arn] bout some ppl (like 100 ppl) canceling pre-orders

[no swearing, please.]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 13 octobre 2011 - 04:36 .

[Landers03]

I agree 100%. Though I couldn't read past paragraph 2..

[SandTrout]

They decided that the news that has been recently announced implies that the game will probably be not worth the money they are garanteeing BioWare, and they are letting BioWare exactly why that is.

They are pointing out that the franchise name is not going to get their blind faith and their money. It is far too late to effect changes in ME3, but it can theoretically affect the development of future games.

This seems perfectly reasonable to me, and the idea that preorders canceled don't represent sales lost is bizzar.

[Darth Death]

Can I agree with you without reading anything that you've written?

[HWM Sarge]

SandTrout wrote...

They decided that the news that has been recently announced implies that the game will probably be not worth the money they are garanteeing BioWare, and they are letting BioWare exactly why that is.

They are pointing out that the franchise name is not going to get their blind faith and their money. It is far too late to effect changes in ME3, but it can theoretically affect the development of future games.

This seems perfectly reasonable to me, and the idea that preorders canceled don't represent sales lost is bizzar.

That reasoning does make some sense to me, in that cancelling expresses that their faith has been shaken. However, I did not imply that cancelling pre-orders wouldn't have an effect. I was implying that the sales Mass Effect 3 will probably earn will far outstrip any losses on preorders.

[HWM Sarge]

Edit: Accidental double post

Modifié par H3WM Sarge, 13 octobre 2011 - 03:52 .

[Bogsnot1]

Half of them are empty threats, another quarter are nerdrage butthurt by people who dont know about Biowares history of MP in RPG's, and the final quarter are those who are not willing to accept the intrusiveness of Origin.

As far as I'm concerned, the Origin reason is a valid one. Ive already cancelled mine due to my concerns over it, irrespective of the fact I know how to bypass without having to resort to "illegal" cracks.
As you said, there is still 5 months until its release, so there is plenty of time to put the pre-order back in should EA come to the party about Origin's T&Cs.

[LOLandStuff]

For drama!

[SandTrout]

H3WM Sarge wrote...

That reasoning does make some sense to me, in that cancelling expresses that their faith has been shaken. However, I did not imply that cancelling pre-orders wouldn't have an effect. I was implying that the sales Mass Effect 3 will probably earn will far outstrip any losses on preorders.

Fair enough, but saying that they are only hurting themselves seems inaccurate to me.

Edit: Bogsnot's analysis is probably reasonably accurate, as well.

Modifié par SandTrout, 13 octobre 2011 - 03:55 .

[slimgrin]

I'm just going to wait for reviews.

[HWM Sarge]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Half of them are empty threats, another quarter are nerdrage butthurt by people who dont know about Biowares history of MP in RPG's, and the final quarter are those who are not willing to accept the intrusiveness of Origin.

As far as I'm concerned, the Origin reason is a valid one. Ive already cancelled mine due to my concerns over it, irrespective of the fact I know how to bypass without having to resort to "illegal" cracks.
As you said, there is still 5 months until its release, so there is plenty of time to put the pre-order back in should EA come to the party about Origin's T&Cs.

I can also agree with the concerns over Origin and its suspected spyware activities. However, I'm an xbox gamer, and I don't think that will be a concern of mine on the console.

[MarchWaltz]

We, as forum-goers, represent a small percentage of the total of population that will buy ME3/has bought ME2.

A few people killing preorders will do nothing.

[MegaBadExample]

Those people will buy the game anyway.

[Janus Prospero]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Half of them are empty threats...

I talked to my buddy yesterday who is the manager of a local GameStop. I asked him if anyone has cancelled their ME3 pre-order in the past few days. He said none.

I'm sure there are people that have, but they're a drop in the bucket, if that.

[happy_daiz]

People can threaten to cancel their pre-orders, or even go ahead and do it; it has no bearing on my life.

We have 2 copies pre-ordered, and will be enjoying saving the world, and playing with our robotic dogs while those people are...well, frankly, who cares what those people will be doing?

I don't.  

Modifié par happy_daiz, 13 octobre 2011 - 04:17 .

[BatmanPWNS]

Who cares if they cancel the pre-order? I am pretty sure Bioware aren't going to miss them.

[Twistedfaith]

Your forum pic' is Captain Anderson. You already make the cut.
On a more serious note? Silly little attention ducks, nothing more, nothing less. In the end, they're just making themselves look pathetic, so hey. Let them do so.

Modifié par Twistedfaith, 13 octobre 2011 - 04:22 .

[McHoger]

I don't think I could properly express the sadness this thread gives me.

[Alamar2078]

I'm not giving up my preorder but I'm MUCH more skeptical about the game now than I was earlier. [Flashes of DA2 come to mind ....]

Devil's Advocate: If folks are cancelling because they felt misled or similar or if there is some principle involved I'm OK with that. If they are cancelling thinking that ME3 will be another DA2 then I'm also OK with the "wait for the reviews" crowd.

Modifié par Alamar2078, 13 octobre 2011 - 04:17 .

[Cutlass Jack]

I suspect many people 'cancelling' their pre-orders haven't actually made one yet. Speaking only for myself, I'm not committing to a pre-order until I hear what outlets are getting which pre-order bonuses. There's no reason to commit yourself yet, let alone cancel it.

But I'm sure we'll go collector's edition for both our copies. Must have Robot doggie.

[StephanieBengal]

It's a game, you can buy it, not buy it, wait nearly 2 years before buying it (as I did with ME1, fell in love with the series since) ETC.

As with anything, people are right to their opinion's regardless of how silly or extreme they might be in other people's eyes.. To each their own, but Heaven knows I've bought games that didn't end up being what I thought they'd be. **** happens, the clock keeps moving.

[AgamenonAtreides]

They just cancelled the preorder of CE for bought on normal Ed. As i made when saw they changed the some good things of ME1 (elevator escenes, explore planets yourself, apply the helmet to your group etc..).

I bought the game few month later when was on 19,90€ instead the 60€ of CE i preordered