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[Ixalmaris]

Anyone has a idea why the Reapers would attack earth (except as cheap way to increase drama)?

- Earth/humanity is not a major power in the galaxy.
While humanity did make some great strides in the past, they still only play second fiddle to Turians, especially when it comes to the military. Attacking Turians by surprise would be a much smarter move.

- Reapers need humans alive.
Unless the Reapers have given up on their plan to harvest humanity to create a new reaper they would need living humans. Attacking earth goes against this goal as it kills quite a lot of humans (most human colonies would be tiny compared to the population of earth) and at the beginning of the war the Reapers would have better things to do than to subdue/capture millions of people, for example fighting the enemy.

- The citadel has a huge strategic value
While the Reapers don't need the relay in the Citadel, controlling the station would still allow them to shut down the relay network, instantly ending any chance of organized resistance against them. So why are they on earth and not on the citadel?

[onelifecrisis]

Ixalmaris wrote...

Anyone has a idea why the Reapers would attack earth (except as cheap way to increase drama)?

- Earth/humanity is not a major power in the galaxy.
While humanity did make some great strides in the past, they still only play second fiddle to Turians, especially when it comes to the military. Attacking Turians by surprise would be a much smarter move.

- Reapers need humans alive.
Unless the Reapers have given up on their plan to harvest humanity to create a new reaper they would need living humans. Attacking earth goes against this goal as it kills quite a lot of humans (most human colonies would be tiny compared to the population of earth) and at the beginning of the war the Reapers would have better things to do than to subdue/capture millions of people, for example fighting the enemy.

- The citadel has a huge strategic value
While the Reapers don't need the relay in the Citadel, controlling the station would still allow them to shut down the relay network, instantly ending any chance of organized resistance against them. So why are they on earth and not on the citadel?

As cheap way to increase drama.

Oh, except for that? No. No idea.

[Someone With Mass]

Earth is a lot closer to them than the Citadel and it makes sense that they're going after the strong military powers first.

They're simply taking Earth on the way to the Citadel. Or so I think.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Because Halo 3 began with Earth taken by the enemy as well.

[KainrycKarr]

Er, humanity IS a major power in the galaxy post ME1.

[nitefyre410]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Because Bioware gave them the Idiot Ball.

 

Or they could be being  Dangerously Genre Savvy  

[ohbobsagetpiss]

 About attacking earth, they arent there to kill everyone. They are probably focusing on destroying earth's defenses so they can begin harvesting. The human colonies are so small they wouldn't be worth the reaper's time.

[JGDD]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Earth is a lot closer to them than the Citadel and it makes sense that they're going after the strong military powers first.

They're simply taking Earth on the way to the Citadel. Or so I think.

Bolded...

How do you figure that? They were minutes from Batarian space in Arrival which was in the Terminus region.

[Dean_the_Young]

Ixalmaris wrote...

- Earth/humanity is not a major power in the galaxy.
While humanity did make some great strides in the past, they still only play second fiddle to Turians, especially when it comes to the military. Attacking Turians by surprise would be a much smarter move.

Simply because Humanity may or may not (depending on Paragon/Renegade Council) being the single strongest power in the galaxy does not mean it is not a major power.

And if a surprise attack is the only way to capture enough living persons, which is another Reaper goal, then which target should get a surprise attack isn't necessarily 'the strongest.'

- Reapers need humans alive.
Unless the Reapers have given up on their plan to harvest humanity to create a new reaper they would need living humans. Attacking earth goes against this goal as it kills quite a lot of humans (most human colonies would be tiny compared to the population of earth) and at the beginning of the war the Reapers would have better things to do than to subdue/capture millions of people, for example fighting the enemy.

You're confusing the lack of perfect as the enemy of good. The Reapers don't need every Human, they just need enough. That's why they were willing to kill some of the captured colonists for genetic comparison tests.

Attacking Earth by surprise kills a number of Humans, but nowhere near all of them. By the time they beat down resistance by surprise, they have captured the rest. Attacking Earth without surprise might require far greater Human deaths (and allow a greater evacuation of Earth), which could risk their intent of a Human Reaper.

So long as the Reapers (rightly) believe that they can win the war regardless of who they attack first, who they attack first doesn't lose the war for them. The Reapers themselves don't need to stick around for long anyways: the Reaper armada just needs to land and knock down the Earth defenses, and then a small number can be used as mop-up crews while the rest go elsewhere. It's not like all hundred+ Reapers will stay on Earth.

- The citadel has a huge strategic value
While the Reapers don't need the relay in the Citadel, controlling the station would still allow them to shut down the relay network, instantly ending any chance of organized resistance against them. So why are they on earth and not on the citadel?

Possibly because the wider galaxy already has access to Reaper IFFs via Shepard and the Normandy. If the Reaper lock-down of the Relay Network was made to block it to organics, but not the Reapers themselves, then the Reaper IFF has made the Citadel obsolete.

And the Reaper, which can be replicated in short order, is held by Shepard and Cerberus and the Alliance even before ME3.

[ohbobsagetpiss]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Er, humanity IS a major power in the galaxy post ME1.

Yes, especially if you chose to let the council die. 

[Bogsnot1]

"Reapers" is the Prothean name for the Vogon Constructor Fleet.

[1136342t54_]

Ixalmaris wrote...

Anyone has a idea why the Reapers would attack earth (except as cheap way to increase drama)?

- Earth/humanity is not a major power in the galaxy.
While humanity did make some great strides in the past, they still only play second fiddle to Turians, especially when it comes to the military. Attacking Turians by surprise would be a much smarter move.

Yes they are. By the end of ME1 Citadel military seemed to have gotten so ****ed up it allowed the Alliance flex is military muscle and gain some control over the Citadel. We are also a Council species with a lot of influence. Some would claim too much influence on our part. Also they did attack the Turian homeworld.

- Reapers need humans alive.
Unless the Reapers have given up on their plan to harvest humanity to create a new reaper they would need living humans. Attacking earth goes against this goal as it kills quite a lot of humans (most human colonies would be tiny compared to the population of earth) and at the beginning of the war the Reapers would have better things to do than to subdue/capture millions of people, for example fighting the enemy.

Reapers seem to only need one Reaper and only millions maybe needed to create a Reaper. Even if they kill all the humans on Earth they may actually just want the other human colonies.

- The citadel has a huge strategic value
While the Reapers don't need the relay in the Citadel, controlling the station would still allow them to shut down the relay network, instantly ending any chance of organized resistance against them. So why are they on earth and not on the citadel?

Reapers came through the Galactic south. Mass Relays or at least major ones seem to only be able to go through certain relays. Reapers are stuck going down certain paths along the galactic South. Its possible the Council may even plan to blow up the Citadel even though its unlikely.

[Kekkis]

Pure speculation and lots of ifs and maybes:

Can they take Citadel if its closed without destroying it? It must be strong so lesser races wont destroy it. Wars, rebels and that kind of stuff happen. Becouse communications seem to be instant they could close it after first reports of more Sovereign type ships.

[CptData]

Easy.

1. Reapers don't need 11 Billion humans to reproduce. Given the fact they need 1 - 10 Million ppl per Reaper they could construct 1100 - 11000 Reapers - just by abducting Earth population.
Plus additional Millions from Colonies.

2. Military goal. To break an army, you don't need to fight every single soldier. Kill his family, burn his house, destroy his hope does the trick too.
So if the Reapers just need a few Million ppl to reproduce, they won't allow mankind to stay firm against them - especially since Reapers can be killed. If they can save numerous numbers of their own kind they'll kill off most of mankind and harvest the rest.

3. You don't know if the Reapers aren't going for Citadel - or do you?
Maybe that's the only real issue here.

Modifié par CptData, 13 octobre 2011 - 05:25 .

[StephanieBengal]

Heh, I was always under the impression they attacked Earth first because you know...Shepard is there.

[capn233]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Because Halo 3 began with Earth taken by the enemy as well.

Ha...

The beginning of Halo 2 was where they actually invaded though.

[aridor1570]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Earth is a lot closer to them than the Citadel and it makes sense that they're going after the strong military powers first.

They're simply taking Earth on the way to the Citadel. Or so I think.

Bolded...

How do you figure that? They were minutes from Batarian space in Arrival which was in the Terminus region.

Earth is in the middle between the Citedal and the Batarian space.

[Gabey5]

when entering enemy territory you first need a BEACHHEAD


the area that is the first objective of a military force landing on an enemy shore.

Earth is that

Modifié par Gabey5, 13 octobre 2011 - 05:49 .

[onelifecrisis]

Gabey5 wrote...

when entering enemy territory you first need a BEACHEHAD

that is what earth is

[naes1984]

I assumed it was because Shepard got their attention and they have had to diverge from their Plan A (attack Citadel) and Plan B (go through Alpha Relay) and so they are dealing with the root of their problem- human pluckiness.

[JGDD]

aridor1570 wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Earth is a lot closer to them than the Citadel and it makes sense that they're going after the strong military powers first.

They're simply taking Earth on the way to the Citadel. Or so I think.

Bolded...

How do you figure that? They were minutes from Batarian space in Arrival which was in the Terminus region.

Earth is in the middle between the Citedal and the Batarian space.

Hmm. I thought there were closer systems from ME1. But maybe that's the case.

[Keazu]

Who's to say they are only attacking Earth? They're probably on other planets too.

[Ixalmaris]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Earth is a lot closer to them than the Citadel and it makes sense that they're going after the strong military powers first.

They're simply taking Earth on the way to the Citadel. Or so I think.

Bolded...

How do you figure that? They were minutes from Batarian space in Arrival which was in the Terminus region.

Earth is in the middle between the Citedal and the Batarian space.

Hmm. I thought there were closer systems from ME1. But maybe that's the case.

So? Bypass earth and go to the Citadel to shut down the relay network. War won.
Instead the reapers attack Stalingrad earth to get bogged down and loose initiative, giving the other races a chance to organize.
And just because Shepard? Highly improbable that the Reapers would have emotions of revenge. If the Reapers disable the Relays Shepard can do nothing.

[Gabey5]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

when entering enemy territory you first need a BEACHEHAD

that is what earth is

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