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[mcneil_1]

We really have to remove that big sign on the moon that points to the earth and says aliens invade here

[Sgt Stryker]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
 One of the hiccups in the lore is the implication that humans never used FTL to reach those close-at-hand stars before the discovery of the Charon relay. 

Not necessarily. The Charon relay was discovered in 2149, just one year after the discovery of mass effect physics.

Ixalmaris wrote...

Even at twice the speed of light traveling to the nearest star with no habitable planets will take 2 years.
Good luck getting 11 billion people there alive.

I can't remember the exact numbers, but FTL drive speed can be derived from the numbers Ashley brings up in one of her conversations. The speed comes out to be significantly faster than 2c.

However, I do fully agree that attempting to evacuate Earth is a futile gesture.

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 13 octobre 2011 - 09:34 .

[Wavanova]

One of my theories on Reapers and their origins/motives that I posted in another thread and thought I'd share here too. I'll use a few (slightly misquoted) lines of ME2 dialogue to introduce the idea:

Kenson: "We can't go through with the project, we don't know enough about what the Reapers want."

Harbinger: "That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction."

Shepard: "You think there's something even stronger than the Reapers?"
Garrus: "You never know."

Additionally, Legion states that the Reapers are made of millions of individual consciousnesses. All of this leads me to believe that ME3 will reveal the Reapers to actually be the "good guys" in a sense, burdened with defending the galaxy from an even greater destructive power. The Reapers grow their numbers by allowing organic life to grow, and then harvesting the entire galaxy periodically. They do this not to destroy the galaxy, but to preserve the consciousness and life of the beings that live there from something that would seek to destroy them all.

The failed Prothean Reaper and Human Reaper are meant to be representations of an entire species. Genetically, the bodies are pumped into it, and as Legion says, the Reapers retain millions of individual programs that give it a collective consciousness. The Reapers "destruction" of the galaxy is actually them ascending its inhabitants to a more powerful and integrated form so that they can assist in fighting off the evil that lies behind the Dark Space.

Harbinger even refers to them as human's "genetic destiny," implying that Reapers are the next level of human (or any organic life's) evolution. The Reapers return to dark space after a harvest not necessarily to hibernate, but to fight off whatever beyond it is threatening them with their newly bolstered forces.

So with all that in mind, I think a kind of neat ending (though very unexpected and Neon Genesis Evangelion-esque) for ME3 would be that Shepard can find this out and choose to believe it, and consequently, allow the Reapers to finish their harvest so that they can continue defending the galaxy, or Shepard can choose to ultimately destroy the Reapers instead, choosing not to accept their help, allowing the galaxy to technologically "develop its own path," as Legion would say, and to work together to fight off anything that may come their way (obvious Paragon option.)

Essentially, the Reapers are attacking everyone because they really don't have much other choice.  And, as has already been stated, they're landing on Earth instead of attacking from orbit since they want to harvest as many living beings as possible to use for new Reapers to defend the galaxy with.  They could potentially face absolute annihilation if they don't.  Thoughts?

Modifié par Wavanova, 13 octobre 2011 - 09:38 .

[onelifecrisis]

Wavanova wrote...

One of my theories on Reapers and their origins/motives that I posted in another thread and thought I'd share here too. I'll use a few (slightly misquoted) lines of ME2 dialogue to introduce the idea:

Kenson: "We can't go through with the project, we don't know enough about what the Reapers want."

Harbinger: "That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction."

Shepard: "You think there's something even stronger than the Reapers?"
Garrus: "You never know."

Additionally, Legion states that the Reapers are made of millions of individual consciousnesses. All of this leads me to believe that ME3 will reveal the Reapers to actually be the "good guys" in a sense, burdened with defending the galaxy from an even greater destructive power. The Reapers grow their numbers by allowing organic life to grow, and then harvesting the entire galaxy periodically. They do this not to destroy the galaxy, but to preserve the consciousness and life of the beings that live there from something that would seek to destroy them all.

The failed Prothean Reaper and Human Reaper are meant to be representations of an entire species. Genetically, the bodies are pumped into it, and as Legion says, the Reapers retain millions of individual programs that give it a collective consciousness. The Reapers "destruction" of the galaxy is actually them ascending its inhabitants to a more powerful and integrated form so that they can assist in fighting off the evil that lies behind the Dark Space.

Harbinger even refers to them as human's "genetic destiny," implying that Reapers are the next level of human (or any organic life's) evolution. The Reapers return to dark space after a harvest not necessarily to hibernate, but to fight off whatever beyond it is threatening them with their newly bolstered forces.

So with all that in mind, I think a kind of neat ending (though very unexpected and Neon Genesis Evangelion-esque) for ME3 would be that Shepard can find this out and choose to believe it, and consequently, allow the Reapers to finish their harvest so that they can continue defending the galaxy, or Shepard can choose to ultimately destroy the Reapers instead, choosing not to accept their help, allowing the galaxy to technologically "develop its own path," as Legion would say, and to work together to fight off anything that may come their way (obvious Paragon option.)

Essentially, the Reapers are attacking everyone because they really don't have much other choice.  They could potentially face absolute annihilation if they don't.  Thoughts?

I like it, except for Sovereigns apparent contempt for all organics. but then ME2 already fooked that up so yeah I guess it's all good.

[Wavanova]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Wavanova wrote...

One of my theories on Reapers and their origins/motives that I posted in another thread and thought I'd share here too. I'll use a few (slightly misquoted) lines of ME2 dialogue to introduce the idea:

Kenson: "We can't go through with the project, we don't know enough about what the Reapers want."

Harbinger: "That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction."

Shepard: "You think there's something even stronger than the Reapers?"
Garrus: "You never know."

Additionally, Legion states that the Reapers are made of millions of individual consciousnesses. All of this leads me to believe that ME3 will reveal the Reapers to actually be the "good guys" in a sense, burdened with defending the galaxy from an even greater destructive power. The Reapers grow their numbers by allowing organic life to grow, and then harvesting the entire galaxy periodically. They do this not to destroy the galaxy, but to preserve the consciousness and life of the beings that live there from something that would seek to destroy them all.

The failed Prothean Reaper and Human Reaper are meant to be representations of an entire species. Genetically, the bodies are pumped into it, and as Legion says, the Reapers retain millions of individual programs that give it a collective consciousness. The Reapers "destruction" of the galaxy is actually them ascending its inhabitants to a more powerful and integrated form so that they can assist in fighting off the evil that lies behind the Dark Space.

Harbinger even refers to them as human's "genetic destiny," implying that Reapers are the next level of human (or any organic life's) evolution. The Reapers return to dark space after a harvest not necessarily to hibernate, but to fight off whatever beyond it is threatening them with their newly bolstered forces.

So with all that in mind, I think a kind of neat ending (though very unexpected and Neon Genesis Evangelion-esque) for ME3 would be that Shepard can find this out and choose to believe it, and consequently, allow the Reapers to finish their harvest so that they can continue defending the galaxy, or Shepard can choose to ultimately destroy the Reapers instead, choosing not to accept their help, allowing the galaxy to technologically "develop its own path," as Legion would say, and to work together to fight off anything that may come their way (obvious Paragon option.)

Essentially, the Reapers are attacking everyone because they really don't have much other choice.  They could potentially face absolute annihilation if they don't.  Thoughts?

I like it, except for Sovereigns apparent contempt for all organics. but then ME2 already fooked that up so yeah I guess it's all good.

You'd probably hate a group of people too if their kind spent millions of years trying to murder you en masse every time you attempted to their asses

[eye basher]

Wavanova wrote...

One of my theories on Reapers and their origins/motives that I posted in another thread and thought I'd share here too. I'll use a few (slightly misquoted) lines of ME2 dialogue to introduce the idea:

Kenson: "We can't go through with the project, we don't know enough about what the Reapers want."

Harbinger: "That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction."

Shepard: "You think there's something even stronger than the Reapers?"
Garrus: "You never know."

Additionally, Legion states that the Reapers are made of millions of individual consciousnesses. All of this leads me to believe that ME3 will reveal the Reapers to actually be the "good guys" in a sense, burdened with defending the galaxy from an even greater destructive power. The Reapers grow their numbers by allowing organic life to grow, and then harvesting the entire galaxy periodically. They do this not to destroy the galaxy, but to preserve the consciousness and life of the beings that live there from something that would seek to destroy them all.

The failed Prothean Reaper and Human Reaper are meant to be representations of an entire species. Genetically, the bodies are pumped into it, and as Legion says, the Reapers retain millions of individual programs that give it a collective consciousness. The Reapers "destruction" of the galaxy is actually them ascending its inhabitants to a more powerful and integrated form so that they can assist in fighting off the evil that lies behind the Dark Space.

Harbinger even refers to them as human's "genetic destiny," implying that Reapers are the next level of human (or any organic life's) evolution. The Reapers return to dark space after a harvest not necessarily to hibernate, but to fight off whatever beyond it is threatening them with their newly bolstered forces.

So with all that in mind, I think a kind of neat ending (though very unexpected and Neon Genesis Evangelion-esque) for ME3 would be that Shepard can find this out and choose to believe it, and consequently, allow the Reapers to finish their harvest so that they can continue defending the galaxy, or Shepard can choose to ultimately destroy the Reapers instead, choosing not to accept their help, allowing the galaxy to technologically "develop its own path," as Legion would say, and to work together to fight off anything that may come their way (obvious Paragon option.)

Essentially, the Reapers are attacking everyone because they really don't have much other choice.  And, as has already been stated, they're landing on Earth instead of attacking from orbit since they want to harvest as many living beings as possible to use for new Reapers to defend the galaxy with.  They could potentially face absolute annihilation if they don't.  Thoughts?

Yeah i'd rather not take any chances and just blow them up or as they say ''when in doubt frag out''

[DiebytheSword]

Wavanova wrote...

One of my theories on Reapers and their origins/motives that I posted in another thread and thought I'd share here too. I'll use a few (slightly misquoted) lines of ME2 dialogue to introduce the idea:

Kenson: "We can't go through with the project, we don't know enough about what the Reapers want."

Harbinger: "That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction."

Shepard: "You think there's something even stronger than the Reapers?"
Garrus: "You never know."

Additionally, Legion states that the Reapers are made of millions of individual consciousnesses. All of this leads me to believe that ME3 will reveal the Reapers to actually be the "good guys" in a sense, burdened with defending the galaxy from an even greater destructive power. The Reapers grow their numbers by allowing organic life to grow, and then harvesting the entire galaxy periodically. They do this not to destroy the galaxy, but to preserve the consciousness and life of the beings that live there from something that would seek to destroy them all.

The failed Prothean Reaper and Human Reaper are meant to be representations of an entire species. Genetically, the bodies are pumped into it, and as Legion says, the Reapers retain millions of individual programs that give it a collective consciousness. The Reapers "destruction" of the galaxy is actually them ascending its inhabitants to a more powerful and integrated form so that they can assist in fighting off the evil that lies behind the Dark Space.

Harbinger even refers to them as human's "genetic destiny," implying that Reapers are the next level of human (or any organic life's) evolution. The Reapers return to dark space after a harvest not necessarily to hibernate, but to fight off whatever beyond it is threatening them with their newly bolstered forces.

So with all that in mind, I think a kind of neat ending (though very unexpected and Neon Genesis Evangelion-esque) for ME3 would be that Shepard can find this out and choose to believe it, and consequently, allow the Reapers to finish their harvest so that they can continue defending the galaxy, or Shepard can choose to ultimately destroy the Reapers instead, choosing not to accept their help, allowing the galaxy to technologically "develop its own path," as Legion would say, and to work together to fight off anything that may come their way (obvious Paragon option.)

Essentially, the Reapers are attacking everyone because they really don't have much other choice.  And, as has already been stated, they're landing on Earth instead of attacking from orbit since they want to harvest as many living beings as possible to use for new Reapers to defend the galaxy with.  They could potentially face absolute annihilation if they don't.  Thoughts?

This pretty much sums up my beliefs.  I can see some kind of Reapers make sense argument being offered in ME3, and indoctrination might even come into play.

[Zakatak757]

Because humanity has exceeded at pissing the Reapers off.

Stop Sovereign? Accomplished. Blame the Alliance.
Stop the Collectors? Accomplished. Blame Cerberus.
Destroy a Reaper? Blame Cerberus twice.
Destroy the Alpha Relay? Accomplished. Blame Shepard. Or the Alliance, indirectly.

Reapers are still sentient, and can still have their feelings hurt. We did.

Modifié par Zakatak757, 13 octobre 2011 - 10:08 .

[Zakatak757]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Who says that they're all on Earth?

Multitasking, people. I'm pretty sure they're capable of it.

This. The Reapers are fkin everywhere, we just happened to be the closest, and thus, the first.

Shepard is not solely to blame for all the 'problems'. The Alliance and Cerberus played a big role in this to, both run by humans.

Also, maybe the Reapers are still wanting to harvest people, hence the reason for ground assault.

[1136342t54_]

Zakatak757 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Who says that they're all on Earth?

Multitasking, people. I'm pretty sure they're capable of it.

This. The Reapers are fkin everywhere, we just happened to be the closest, and thus, the first.

Shepard is not solely to blame for all the 'problems'. The Alliance and Cerberus played a big role in this to, both run by humans.

Also, maybe the Reapers are still wanting to harvest people, hence the reason for ground assault.

The Reapers attacked Palaven also.

[pmac_tk421]

It's not just earth that they're attacking. palaven, sur'kesh, thessia, illium, rannoch, tuchanka are under attack too. And I bet a lot of other places are under attack.

[LOLandStuff]

As much as I like the idea of the Reapers harvesting civilizations to build more of them in order to protect the galaxy from who knows what. It sure as hell takes damn long for whatever to reveal itself. It's tens of millions of years.That evil must like sleeping a lot.

[1136342t54_]

pmac_tk421 wrote...

It's not just earth that they're attacking. palaven, sur'kesh, thessia, illium, rannoch, tuchanka are under attack too. And I bet a lot of other places are under attack.

I don't think they metioned Thessia being under attack.

[Medhia Nox]

I pity the dumb Reapers that have to attack Tuchanka.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Wavanova wrote...

One of my theories on Reapers and their origins/motives that I posted in another thread and thought I'd share here too. I'll use a few (slightly misquoted) lines of ME2 dialogue to introduce the idea:

Kenson: "We can't go through with the project, we don't know enough about what the Reapers want."

Harbinger: "That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction."

Shepard: "You think there's something even stronger than the Reapers?"
Garrus: "You never know."

Additionally, Legion states that the Reapers are made of millions of individual consciousnesses. All of this leads me to believe that ME3 will reveal the Reapers to actually be the "good guys" in a sense, burdened with defending the galaxy from an even greater destructive power. The Reapers grow their numbers by allowing organic life to grow, and then harvesting the entire galaxy periodically. They do this not to destroy the galaxy, but to preserve the consciousness and life of the beings that live there from something that would seek to destroy them all.

The failed Prothean Reaper and Human Reaper are meant to be representations of an entire species. Genetically, the bodies are pumped into it, and as Legion says, the Reapers retain millions of individual programs that give it a collective consciousness. The Reapers "destruction" of the galaxy is actually them ascending its inhabitants to a more powerful and integrated form so that they can assist in fighting off the evil that lies behind the Dark Space.

Harbinger even refers to them as human's "genetic destiny," implying that Reapers are the next level of human (or any organic life's) evolution. The Reapers return to dark space after a harvest not necessarily to hibernate, but to fight off whatever beyond it is threatening them with their newly bolstered forces.

So with all that in mind, I think a kind of neat ending (though very unexpected and Neon Genesis Evangelion-esque) for ME3 would be that Shepard can find this out and choose to believe it, and consequently, allow the Reapers to finish their harvest so that they can continue defending the galaxy, or Shepard can choose to ultimately destroy the Reapers instead, choosing not to accept their help, allowing the galaxy to technologically "develop its own path," as Legion would say, and to work together to fight off anything that may come their way (obvious Paragon option.)

Essentially, the Reapers are attacking everyone because they really don't have much other choice.  And, as has already been stated, they're landing on Earth instead of attacking from orbit since they want to harvest as many living beings as possible to use for new Reapers to defend the galaxy with.  They could potentially face absolute annihilation if they don't.  Thoughts?

Yeah.  The "the bad guys are really the good guys, doing terrible things for a greater purpose" twist has been done, and it's really kinda...

nevermind, I'm trying to be nice. 

[Zanallen]

The Reapers can't just go to the Citadel and start attacking there. That is the whole point of ME1 and the Arrival DLC. Shepard stops their ability to hit the Citadel first and cut off communication and travel between the various areas. They have to travel relay to relay, reaping as they go along. Primary relays only connect to one other relay while secondary relays connect to several, but only allow travel for much, much smaller distances. Earth stands between Batarian space (Where the Reapers are starting from) and Citadel Space (Where they ultimately want to go).

[atheelogos]

Ixalmaris wrote...

Anyone has a idea why the Reapers would attack earth (except as cheap way to increase drama)?

- Earth/humanity is not a major power in the galaxy.
While humanity did make some great strides in the past, they still only play second fiddle to Turians, especially when it comes to the military. Attacking Turians by surprise would be a much smarter move.

- Reapers need humans alive.
Unless the Reapers have given up on their plan to harvest humanity to create a new reaper they would need living humans. Attacking earth goes against this goal as it kills quite a lot of humans (most human colonies would be tiny compared to the population of earth) and at the beginning of the war the Reapers would have better things to do than to subdue/capture millions of people, for example fighting the enemy.

- The citadel has a huge strategic value
While the Reapers don't need the relay in the Citadel, controlling the station would still allow them to shut down the relay network, instantly ending any chance of organized resistance against them. So why are they on earth and not on the citadel?

"Earth/humanity is not a major power in the galaxy." Yes they are

"they still only play second fiddle to Turians, especially when it comes to the military. Attacking Turians by surprise would be a much smarter move" Why are you assuming they haven't attacked Turians as well, or that they don't plan to?

"Reapers need humans alive" Yes but not all of them. If they want to harvest us they'll need to wipe out any resistance first.

"So why are they on earth and not on the citadel?" What makes you think they don't have the numbers to take both the Citadel and Earth? What makes you think they wont try?

All of your points seem to be bad assumptions....

"Anyone has a idea why the Reapers would attack earth" Oh and they're sweeping through the Galaxy moving from relay to relay. We know they came into the milky way through Batarian space. The next closest major power is Human terrority. That's why they hit there next.

[Kaiser Shepard]

capn233 wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Because Halo 3 began with Earth taken by the enemy as well.

Ha...

The beginning of Halo 2 was where they actually invaded though.

That wasn't as much an invasion as it was an accidental meeting. Not that Halo 3 was an invasion per se, as controlling Earth was merely a means to a much greater end.

[Swimming Ferret]

Maybe that evil thing was on vacation.

Modifié par Swimming Ferret, 13 octobre 2011 - 11:29 .

[atheelogos]

Ixalmaris wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

So? Bypass earth and go to the Citadel to shut down the relay network. War won.
Instead the reapers attack Stalingrad earth to get bogged down and loose initiative, giving the other races a chance to organize.
And just because Shepard? Highly improbable that the Reapers would have emotions of revenge. If the Reapers disable the Relays Shepard can do nothing.

That is true but I think we've seen from the interaction Shepard has had with Sovereign that the Reapers do in fact have the capacity for arrogance and miscalculation. Arrogance suggests emotions. Sovereign actually seems to be trying to psych out Shepard by saying things like "You are cosmic dust" blah, blah, blah. Reapers may not be entirely governed by mere calculations and probabilities. Contrast this with Skynet from Terminator (I ignore Terminator Salvation of course which is pure garbage). Skynet does not communicate or have a voice to explain itself. It simply made the calculation to wipe out humans in a fraction of a second and goes about it in the most resource-efficient way. I find it possible that the Reapers "feel" like their hand has been forced by this species of shaved apes on a backwater planet and want to eliminate the threat (however unlikely) before proceeding with their tried and true method of shutting down the relays. Then again I'm just speculating.

Even when the Reapers do want to finish off earth for some idiotic (for a machine race) reason there are more efficient ways to do it than a ground assault. Bombarding the planat with Mass Drivers for a few days should be enough to practically kill every human there and to destroy the ecosphere.

As for the power of humanity, they still have the by far lowest number of Dreadnoughts of all council races. The rest of their military likely follows this trend. Not minor, but the weakest of the council races.

"Bombarding the planat with Mass Drivers for a few days should be enough to practically kill every human there and to destroy the ecosphere" Yes but they don't want to kill off Humans. That's kinda of they're whole point. They want to make as many of us into Reapers as they can. Killing all humans would destroy that plan.

"As for the power of humanity, they still have the by far lowest number of Dreadnoughts" So? Dreadnoughts aren't everything. I mean just look at what the Normandy was able to do. And with that said they still have more dreadnoughts than other non council races. Plus all of the other ships in their navy could, arguably, outweigh the use of dreadnoughts. On top of all of that Reaper shields can't be penatrated with dreadnought fire anyway so... yeah....

[capn233]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

capn233 wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Because Halo 3 began with Earth taken by the enemy as well.

Ha...

The beginning of Halo 2 was where they actually invaded though.

That wasn't as much an invasion as it was an accidental meeting. Not that Halo 3 was an invasion per se, as controlling Earth was merely a means to a much greater end.

Yeah, go pout.  I win... No hard feelings. Good game.

Modifié par capn233, 14 octobre 2011 - 12:23 .

[onelifecrisis]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Yeah.  The "the bad guys are really the good guys, doing terrible things for a greater purpose" twist has been done, and it's really kinda...

nevermind, I'm trying to be nice. 

Don't tell me you're holding out for a brand new twist that's never ever been done before?

[Zanallen]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Don't tell me you're holding out for a brand new twist that's never ever been done before?

He's holding out for a hero til the end of the night. But he's gotta be strong and he's gotta be fast and he's gotta be fresh from the fight.

[BiasedParagon]

Get me Ackbar because by god, it's a trap!

[Kaiser Shepard]

capn233 wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

capn233 wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Because Halo 3 began with Earth taken by the enemy as well.

Ha...

The beginning of Halo 2 was where they actually invaded though.

That wasn't as much an invasion as it was an accidental meeting. Not that Halo 3 was an invasion per se, as controlling Earth was merely a means to a much greater end.

Yeah, go pout.  I win... No hard feelings. Good game.

Wait, what? Are you serious? :')