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[DiebytheSword]

So, who is looking forward to the Council's mea culpa?  I for one look forward to hearing the Council eat crow.  What say you, internet?

I dislike the Turian Councilor greatly, but I think its because he's well written to get on my nerves.  I want to see him squirm when the truth hits.  I'm also curious as to what the council will do about Earth.

[Zakatak757]

I want to be able to shoot the Turian Counciller, and then Udina if he even opens his mouth to say something about it.

[Annihilator27]

[Rizia vas Kasai]

Zakatak757 wrote...

I want to be able to shoot the Turian Counciller, and then Udina if he even opens his mouth to say something about it.

Not shoot but hit in his mouth.
But Udina yeah shoot that son of a *beep*

[Ofcoursenot]

Eh, I just want to punch the reporter again....

(Also, first post ever)

[CamlTowPetttingZoo]

I hope they don't just take the road that, oh Shepard, we knew about the reapers all along and we were building but couldn't tell you anything cause we didn't want the word getting out. I really want to rub it in especially to the turian councilor who has been riding Shepard the whole series. It's good writing since I hate him so much but I hope they make something worthwhile regarding this point.

[Ensorcelled Cat]

DiebytheSword wrote...

So, who is looking forward to the Council's mea culpa?  I for one look forward to hearing the Council eat crow. 

*snip*

/agree, Sword. I play a sparkly-butterfly-trailing, kitten-distributing* alignment I shall not name, and I still can't say how much I want my "I hate to tell you, but I told you so, you morons!" moment.

I think it's because Shepard of any gender or alignment is a Kassandra: the one who saw it all clearly, but to whom no one would listen.


*Note: Of course, said kittens, although fluffy and loveable, are genetically engineered to identify and attack Reaper tech when they see it. 

[Prince Zeel]

Paragons making the stupid decisions.


Those council members should've been dead. 50 thousand humans were at stake. Now, instead you get to brag about how "right" you were.


I'm in awe by Paragons thought process.

Modifié par Prince Zeel, 13 octobre 2011 - 11:05 .

[DiebytheSword]

I would love to make the reporter look bad again, I haven't punched her yet, didn't feel right for my Sheps. Unarmed civilian, *sniff* not worth my time.

I don't think like you.  My take on the situation was thus: Humanity is not the only species in the galaxy.  With the Reaper trying hard to destroy all sentient life, making an ally might make more sense than sacrificing an alien government so I could set up humanity with manifest destiny 2.0.

As a Spectre, it was my duty to do so.  As a Commander with influence on an Admiral, it was a pragmatic use of assets thinking one move ahead.  Leading heavy handed does not always produce the best results.  I don't always select the paragon choice, either.  Some of them feel contrived.  I would coin myself Paragrade.  I lean paragon, but dabble in renegade.

Modifié par DiebytheSword, 13 octobre 2011 - 11:31 .

[Medhia Nox]

Won't have time to listen to an apology - I've got a galaxy to help defend.

They want to apologize - they best be organizing the Council into a unified force of awesome.

[1136342t54_]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Paragons making the stupid decisions.


Those council members should've been dead. 50 thousand humans were at stake. Now, instead you get to brag about how "right" you were.


I'm in awe by Paragons thought process.

You are so correct. I mean killing the council and all but alienating still rather powerful races that still have more dreadnoughts then you will have is the best way to prepare for a Reaper conflict. <_<

[Prince Zeel]

1136342t54 wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Paragons making the stupid decisions.


Those council members should've been dead. 50 thousand humans were at stake. Now, instead you get to brag about how "right" you were.


I'm in awe by Paragons thought process.

You are so correct. I mean killing the council and all but alienating still rather powerful races that still have more dreadnoughts then you will have is the best way to prepare for a Reaper conflict. <_<

Whats that? The sound of the human race dying so Sheppard can gloat about how "right" he is. 

And these "Powerful" races mean absoloute sh#t in comparison to humanity.

But I'm sure your warped reasoning is good enough justification for slaughtering thousands of human soldiers for a bunch of racist ****s.

[Ensorcelled Cat]

DiebytheSword wrote...

I would love to make the reporter look bad again, I haven't punched her yet, didn't feel right for my Sheps. Unarmed civilian, *sniff* not worth my time.

Why use force when you can outwit? :innocent:

[Zakatak757]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Paragons making the stupid decisions.


Those council members should've been dead. 50 thousand humans were at stake. Now, instead you get to brag about how "right" you were.


I'm in awe by Paragons thought process.

2400 lives were lost when saving the Destiny Ascension. That ship likely had that many members combined, including the Council. Because the Geth ships were focussed on destroying the Destiny, I estimated fewer ships would be lost to in the attack run. Also, proving humanity is willing to sacrifice will improve interspecies relations, and in the long run, will save lives.

Saving the Council is both morally and practically a sound choice.

[1136342t54_]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Whats that? The sound of the human race dying so Sheppard can gloat about how "right" he is. 

And these "Powerful" races mean absoloute sh#t in comparison to humanity.

But I'm sure your warped reasoning is good enough justification for slaughtering thousands of human soldiers for a bunch of racist ****s.

Actually Humanity even if we wanted to couldn't necessarily take on either race without getting boned ourselves. Salarians, Asari and Turians individually have a larger amount of territory than humanity has. Larger population, more dreadnoughts and the majority share of Spectres. Hell invading one Turian planet would be difficult as hell simply because every Turian has military training. Humans may be powerful but not enough to do everything alone.

Now I'm sure you think my reasoning is warped but really attempt to use your brain for a second. Which is better. Saving the leadership of a group of alien governments that can help unite the Galaxy or having them killed and pretty good portion of there Citadel fleet which could have been used to fight the Reapers.

I hope you come to the right conclusion.

[Prince Zeel]

Zakatak757 wrote...
2400 lives were lost when saving the Destiny Ascension. That ship likely had that many members combined, including the Council. Because the Geth ships were focussed on destroying the Destiny, I estimated fewer ships would be lost to in the attack run. Also, proving humanity is willing to sacrifice will improve interspecies relations, and in the long run, will save lives.

Saving the Council is both morally and practically a sound choice.

I'm not buying that. There is no good justification for killing 2400 innocent lives for 3 douchey lives.  I'm not sure how you make the leap between "moral" and "practical". It can NOT be more moral to kill thousands of people for 3. It certaintly is NOT practical to kill them for these a council that wasn't doing sh#t against the reaper invasion.

[1136342t54_]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...
2400 lives were lost when saving the Destiny Ascension. That ship likely had that many members combined, including the Council. Because the Geth ships were focussed on destroying the Destiny, I estimated fewer ships would be lost to in the attack run. Also, proving humanity is willing to sacrifice will improve interspecies relations, and in the long run, will save lives.

Saving the Council is both morally and practically a sound choice.

I'm not buying that. There is no good justification for killing 2400 innocent lives for 3 douchey lives.  I'm not sure how you make the leap between "moral" and "practical". It can NOT be more moral to kill thousands of people for 3. It certaintly is NOT practical to kill them for these a council that wasn't doing sh#t against the reaper invasion.

No. Shepard killed 2400 people for 10,000 possibly more. Destiny Ascension crew had a crew of thousands. That was one ship and a very very powerful dreadnought..

[Someone With Mass]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Whats that? The sound of the human race dying so Sheppard can gloat about how "right" he is. 

And these "Powerful" races mean absoloute sh#t in comparison to humanity.

But I'm sure your warped reasoning is good enough justification for slaughtering thousands of human soldiers for a bunch of racist ****s.

Oh no, they're not surrendering everything to the spoiled newcomers, so they must be racist.

Also, the turians alone have fleets about five times as large as the humans'.

The humans were just given the "we are speschul" card. That's it.

[Prince Zeel]

1136342t54 wrote...

Actually Humanity even if we wanted to couldn't necessarily take on either race without getting boned ourselves. Salarians, Asari and Turians individually have a larger amount of territory than humanity has. Larger population, more dreadnoughts and the majority share of Spectres. Hell invading one Turian planet would be difficult as hell simply because every Turian has military training. Humans may be powerful but not enough to do everything alone.

Now I'm sure you think my reasoning is warped but really attempt to use your brain for a second. Which is better. Saving the leadership of a group of alien governments that can help unite the Galaxy or having them killed and pretty good portion of there Citadel fleet which could have been used to fight the Reapers.

I hope you come to the right conclusion.

This is silly. The council were killed because of their own stupidity. Sheppard should not be held responsible.  So what if these council members died? we did save most of the freaking citadel. I think the aliens need to give us respect where it's damn well due.

What I think a Human council is better. Now we run tings.

[Prince Zeel]

1136342t54 wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...
2400 lives were lost when saving the Destiny Ascension. That ship likely had that many members combined, including the Council. Because the Geth ships were focussed on destroying the Destiny, I estimated fewer ships would be lost to in the attack run. Also, proving humanity is willing to sacrifice will improve interspecies relations, and in the long run, will save lives.

Saving the Council is both morally and practically a sound choice.

I'm not buying that. There is no good justification for killing 2400 innocent lives for 3 douchey lives.  I'm not sure how you make the leap between "moral" and "practical". It can NOT be more moral to kill thousands of people for 3. It certaintly is NOT practical to kill them for these a council that wasn't doing sh#t against the reaper invasion.

No. Shepard killed 2400 people for 10,000 possibly more. Destiny Ascension crew had a crew of thousands. That was one ship and a very very powerful dreadnought..

You're just pulling crap out of the arse now. Go away if you do not wish to engage in intelligent debate.

[onelifecrisis]

1136342t54 wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...
2400 lives were lost when saving the Destiny Ascension. That ship likely had that many members combined, including the Council. Because the Geth ships were focussed on destroying the Destiny, I estimated fewer ships would be lost to in the attack run. Also, proving humanity is willing to sacrifice will improve interspecies relations, and in the long run, will save lives.

Saving the Council is both morally and practically a sound choice.

I'm not buying that. There is no good justification for killing 2400 innocent lives for 3 douchey lives.  I'm not sure how you make the leap between "moral" and "practical". It can NOT be more moral to kill thousands of people for 3. It certaintly is NOT practical to kill them for these a council that wasn't doing sh#t against the reaper invasion.

No. Shepard killed 2400 people for 10,000 possibly more. Destiny Ascension crew had a crew of thousands. That was one ship and a very very powerful dreadnought..

True, but you don't actually know that at the time, right? Or is it in some codex entry somewhere in ME1?

[Zakatak757]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...
2400 lives were lost when saving the Destiny Ascension. That ship likely had that many members combined, including the Council. Because the Geth ships were focussed on destroying the Destiny, I estimated fewer ships would be lost to in the attack run. Also, proving humanity is willing to sacrifice will improve interspecies relations, and in the long run, will save lives.

Saving the Council is both morally and practically a sound choice.

I'm not buying that. There is no good justification for killing 2400 innocent lives for 3 douchey lives.  I'm not sure how you make the leap between "moral" and "practical". It can NOT be more moral to kill thousands of people for 3. It certaintly is NOT practical to kill them for these a council that wasn't doing sh#t against the reaper invasion.

Except I didn't save THREE lives. The Destiny is 800m long/wide and 1000m high. Does it take 3 people to crew a ship that big? No, it doesn't. The hull/life supported areas of those Alliance cruisers is maybe 600x60x40.

You speak as if Shepard KNEW what the Council was going to do about the Reaper Invasion at the time he made the decision. If he knew they wouldn't be doing jack sh*t, then no, it wouldn't be a moral choice. But he didn't, he/we/she would assume "HEY, this is proof the Reapers exist, they can't even deny it!"

Take into account the other things I mentioned which you DEFINETLY didn't read, and the choice is fine.

Modifié par Zakatak757, 13 octobre 2011 - 11:25 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

1136342t54 wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...
2400 lives were lost when saving the Destiny Ascension. That ship likely had that many members combined, including the Council. Because the Geth ships were focussed on destroying the Destiny, I estimated fewer ships would be lost to in the attack run. Also, proving humanity is willing to sacrifice will improve interspecies relations, and in the long run, will save lives.

Saving the Council is both morally and practically a sound choice.

I'm not buying that. There is no good justification for killing 2400 innocent lives for 3 douchey lives.  I'm not sure how you make the leap between "moral" and "practical". It can NOT be more moral to kill thousands of people for 3. It certaintly is NOT practical to kill them for these a council that wasn't doing sh#t against the reaper invasion.

No. Shepard killed 2400 people for 10,000 possibly more. Destiny Ascension crew had a crew of thousands. That was one ship and a very very powerful dreadnought..

Not every life is equal to one another, nor should those of the Council or those mere 10,000 take precedence over stopping Sovereign.

[1136342t54_]

onelifecrisis wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...
2400 lives were lost when saving the Destiny Ascension. That ship likely had that many members combined, including the Council. Because the Geth ships were focussed on destroying the Destiny, I estimated fewer ships would be lost to in the attack run. Also, proving humanity is willing to sacrifice will improve interspecies relations, and in the long run, will save lives.

Saving the Council is both morally and practically a sound choice.

I'm not buying that. There is no good justification for killing 2400 innocent lives for 3 douchey lives.  I'm not sure how you make the leap between "moral" and "practical". It can NOT be more moral to kill thousands of people for 3. It certaintly is NOT practical to kill them for these a council that wasn't doing sh#t against the reaper invasion.

No. Shepard killed 2400 people for 10,000 possibly more. Destiny Ascension crew had a crew of thousands. That was one ship and a very very powerful dreadnought..

True, but you don't actually know that at the time, right? Or is it in some codex entry somewhere in ME1?

You hear about it while on the Citadel I believe. The Volus mentions it I think on the Wards where you can see the ship. Plus it has been said that Dreadnoughts take a large crew to actually crew them anyway.

[1136342t54_]

Prince Zeel wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...
2400 lives were lost when saving the Destiny Ascension. That ship likely had that many members combined, including the Council. Because the Geth ships were focussed on destroying the Destiny, I estimated fewer ships would be lost to in the attack run. Also, proving humanity is willing to sacrifice will improve interspecies relations, and in the long run, will save lives.

Saving the Council is both morally and practically a sound choice.

I'm not buying that. There is no good justification for killing 2400 innocent lives for 3 douchey lives.  I'm not sure how you make the leap between "moral" and "practical". It can NOT be more moral to kill thousands of people for 3. It certaintly is NOT practical to kill them for these a council that wasn't doing sh#t against the reaper invasion.

No. Shepard killed 2400 people for 10,000 possibly more. Destiny Ascension crew had a crew of thousands. That was one ship and a very very powerful dreadnought..

You're just pulling crap out of the arse now. Go away if you do not wish to engage in intelligent debate.

Keep putting your fingers in your ears.