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[Prince Zeel]

DiebytheSword wrote...



Just because a decision is given to you on certain terms, does not mean you cannot engage that decision from many angles.  I chose a path you did not forsee, nor apparently cared for.

Oh yeah yeah yeah.You are just a bloody neuroscientist with your amazing analyzing abilities. How oh how did you manage to deduce the numbers in acension AND that there would be no penalty for dividing your forces?
Your type of skills are wasted on gaming.


Save me the crap guys. I'm not having it tonight. 

[NeroSparda]

Prince Zeel wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...


lol Your so called main argument is so freaking static dude I can't really see it I guess. First you talk about Paragons sacrificed 50,000 human lives (just plain stupid) then you attempt to make a case that the other races are useless (which I quickly disprove) after that you claim that I am bs on the claim that more aliens were saved than humans died in the Paragon ending (which I also proved you were false lol). 

Now you change goal posts again lol.

I'm not moving the goal posts, sweetheart. If you manage to get that high school dipolma you might be able to comprehend what I am posting right now. My point, and will always BE MY POINT is that dividing our forces during a critical galaxy invasion was a STUPID decision.  
I will acknowledge my numbers were screwed up, but I didn't see those clips because I DONT PLAY PARAGON. Also, what the flying ****. Half of these figures weren't presented during the Me1 decisions. So again, what is the relevance?

The decision as was presented showed one obviously smarter choice but because it happened to be renegade, SUDDENLY it's the "stupid" choice. BS Bioware. keep braiding Paragon's hair.

They didn't divide, the whole fleet attacked the Geth, obtained losses, save the Council and the Destiny Accession then went for Soverign when the way inside opens.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

'These ships you call "reapers" are attacking Earth. The council cannot get involved ina  purely Human matter.'

[1136342t54_]

Prince Zeel wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...


lol Your so called main argument is so freaking static dude I can't really see it I guess. First you talk about Paragons sacrificed 50,000 human lives (just plain stupid) then you attempt to make a case that the other races are useless (which I quickly disprove) after that you claim that I am bs on the claim that more aliens were saved than humans died in the Paragon ending (which I also proved you were false lol). 

Now you change goal posts again lol.

I'm not moving the goal posts, sweetheart. If you manage to get that high school dipolma you might be able to comprehend what I am posting right now. My point, and will always BE MY POINT is that dividing our forces during a critical galaxy invasion was a STUPID decision.  
I will acknowledge my numbers were screwed up, but I didn't see those clips because I DONT PLAY PARAGON. Also, what the flying ****. Half of these figures weren't presented during the Me1 decisions. So again, what is the relevance?

The decision as was presented showed one obviously smarter choice but because it happened to be renegade, SUDDENLY it's the "stupid" choice. BS Bioware. keep braiding Paragon's hair.

So I should ignore your idiotic posts that basically attacked all Paragons for supposedly sacrificing Humans and calling all aliens racists (humans seem to be more xenophobic in game)? 

Also Bioware didn't show a stupid decision dimwit. No decision was inherently stupid. Vigil did kind of imply that one fleet wouldn't be enough to stop Sovereign even Shepard seemed to doubt it. Hell if the Destiny Ascension has the same amount of fire power as an entire Asari fleet I'd say Sovereign is far more capable.  It wouldn't be difficult for shepard to reasonably assume that the Alliance will likely not be able to win that fight and allowing for the Council leadership to escape and saving some Citadel ships could easily make up for the missing Alliance vessels.

Hell even then the Alliance fleet didn't necessarily kill Sovereign. It took Shepard essentially knocking Nazara out to open it up for a killing strike.

[DiebytheSword]

Prince Zeel wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...


lol Your so called main argument is so freaking static dude I can't really see it I guess. First you talk about Paragons sacrificed 50,000 human lives (just plain stupid) then you attempt to make a case that the other races are useless (which I quickly disprove) after that you claim that I am bs on the claim that more aliens were saved than humans died in the Paragon ending (which I also proved you were false lol). 

Now you change goal posts again lol.

I'm not moving the goal posts, sweetheart. If you manage to get that high school dipolma you might be able to comprehend what I am posting right now. My point, and will always BE MY POINT is that dividing our forces during a critical galaxy invasion was a STUPID decision.  
I will acknowledge my numbers were screwed up, but I didn't see those clips because I DONT PLAY PARAGON. Also, what the flying ****. Half of these figures weren't presented during the Me1 decisions. So again, what is the relevance?

The decision as was presented showed one obviously smarter choice but because it happened to be renegade, SUDDENLY it's the "stupid" choice. BS Bioware. keep braiding Paragon's hair.

You are absolutley right, dividing our forces is a bad idea.  That's why I had the fifth fleet handle the Geth fleet that the rest of the galaxy was fighting.  The Heretics could not be allowed to build a defensive line within the Citadel arms in defense of Sovereign.  On Ilos, Vigil points out that Sovereign can't withstand the assault of several races attacking in concert.  I gave them that opportunity by dealing with the Geth first.

[Prince Zeel]

Janus Prospero wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Here is the main argument: During the
soverign attack, it was foolish to divide our forces to save a bunch of
racists pricks.

You are clearly able to justify your decisions in your (Renegade Shepard's) eyes.

Why can't you accept the fact that other people can arrive at a different decision and are still able to justify it to themselves?

Neither argument is right or wrong. You're arguing vanilla VS chocolate.

WRONG. my argument is RIGHT!!!!

I  understand that some people are fools and paragon pansies and they NEED their paragons points more than they need oxygen. What I don't understand is how, when the situation was presented as
"Save galaxy or save council" that "Save council" is the reasonable decision. It  only worked out that way because It was a paragon option. had it been a renegade option, **** would've blown up.

[onelifecrisis]

Wow, this guy is a riot.

[PXXL]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Wow, this guy is a riot.

 is he always like this? or is the new killer feature getting to him?

[1136342t54_]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Janus Prospero wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Here is the main argument: During the
soverign attack, it was foolish to divide our forces to save a bunch of
racists pricks.

You are clearly able to justify your decisions in your (Renegade Shepard's) eyes.

Why can't you accept the fact that other people can arrive at a different decision and are still able to justify it to themselves?

Neither argument is right or wrong. You're arguing vanilla VS chocolate.

WRONG. my argument is RIGHT!!!!

I  understand that some people are fools and paragon pansies and they NEED their paragons points more than they need oxygen. What I don't understand is how, when the situation was presented as
"Focus on Nazara and ignore the Heretics right behind the fleet or save the council and eliminate the rear threat of the Heretics" that "Save council" is the reasonable decision. It  only worked out that way because It was a paragon option. had it been a renegade option, **** would've blown up.

fixed

[Jog0907]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Janus Prospero wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Here is the main argument: During the
soverign attack, it was foolish to divide our forces to save a bunch of
racists pricks.

You are clearly able to justify your decisions in your (Renegade Shepard's) eyes.

Why can't you accept the fact that other people can arrive at a different decision and are still able to justify it to themselves?

Neither argument is right or wrong. You're arguing vanilla VS chocolate.

WRONG. my argument is RIGHT!!!!

I  understand that some people are fools and paragon pansies and they NEED their paragons points more than they need oxygen. What I don't understand is how, when the situation was presented as
"Save galaxy or save council" that "Save council" is the reasonable decision. It  only worked out that way because It was a paragon option. had it been a renegade option, **** would've blown up.

all choices during the final battle can be justified, your disregard of other peoples justifications about a choice only makes you look like an annoying selfcentered child

[NeroSparda]

PXXL wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Wow, this guy is a riot.

 is he always like this? or is the new killer feature getting to him?

He wasn't this bad when I first saw him (which was just a few days ago so I can't judge).

[Prince Zeel]

1136342t54 wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...


lol Your so called main argument is so freaking static dude I can't really see it I guess. First you talk about Paragons sacrificed 50,000 human lives (just plain stupid) then you attempt to make a case that the other races are useless (which I quickly disprove) after that you claim that I am bs on the claim that more aliens were saved than humans died in the Paragon ending (which I also proved you were false lol). 

Now you change goal posts again lol.

I'm not moving the goal posts, sweetheart. If you manage to get that high school dipolma you might be able to comprehend what I am posting right now. My point, and will always BE MY POINT is that dividing our forces during a critical galaxy invasion was a STUPID decision.  
I will acknowledge my numbers were screwed up, but I didn't see those clips because I DONT PLAY PARAGON. Also, what the flying ****. Half of these figures weren't presented during the Me1 decisions. So again, what is the relevance?

The decision as was presented showed one obviously smarter choice but because it happened to be renegade, SUDDENLY it's the "stupid" choice. BS Bioware. keep braiding Paragon's hair.

So I should ignore your idiotic posts that basically attacked all Paragons for supposedly sacrificing Humans and calling all aliens racists (humans seem to be more xenophobic in game)? 

Also Bioware didn't show a stupid decision dimwit. No decision was inherently stupid. Vigil did kind of imply that one fleet wouldn't be enough to stop Sovereign even Shepard seemed to doubt it. Hell if the Destiny Ascension has the same amount of fire power as an entire Asari fleet I'd say Sovereign is far more capable.  It wouldn't be difficult for shepard to reasonably assume that the Alliance will likely not be able to win that fight and allowing for the Council leadership to escape and saving some Citadel ships could easily make up for the missing Alliance vessels.

Hell even then the Alliance fleet didn't necessarily kill Sovereign. It took Shepard essentially knocking Nazara out to open it up for a killing strike.

This is spinning at it's fcking finest.
Let me get this logic clear. By diving our forces to save a ship that was getting owned, we are some how strengthening our assualt?

Please stay out of  the military.

[Anacronian Stryx]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Wow, this guy is a riot.

Sometimes a Troll just go all out in an attempt to reach that elusive final ban; It is a beautiful sight to behold.

[Prince Zeel]

NeroSparda wrote...

PXXL wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Wow, this guy is a riot.

 is he always like this? or is the new killer feature getting to him?

He wasn't this bad when I first saw him (which was just a few days ago so I can't judge).

I've been flaming since Zemious. Technically, I've mellowed out, considerably.

[Funkcase]

Prince Zeel wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Zatakafajldkjad whatever and 1279172198271892 whatever. FOCUS ON MY MAIN ARGUMENT PLEASE. arguing over numbers is not how you win a debate.


TYPICAL PARAGON BULLSH#T

You just broke my Trollometer Congrats!!!

INCASE
YOU
ARE
NOT
PAYING
ATTENTION

Here is the main argument: During the soverign attack, it was foolish to divide our forces to save a bunch of racists pricks.

You guys also didn't know the numbers of the acension back then either. Bioware just happened to write that crap in for the paragon interrupt in Me2. So that's not a good argument.

ALso, it was human lives you sacrificed, where our Shepards priorities? Aliens, or humans?

And Finally, why is it that, paragons divide their forces, yet recieved ABSOLOUTELY NO PENTALTY against soverign. That is some load of crap.

Shepard's a Spectre, his prorities are stability for the whole Galaxy, aliens included. He wasn't killing every human by saving the council, he was building bridges. Besides the galaxy needs leaders in a time of crysis, an all human council would not make the other races trust humanity, they're worried about how fast humanity are taking over. So using the Council as a sacrifice is not going to do the Alliance justice when it comes to building relations.

How are the Council racist? I think it's clear that the Turian councillor dislikes humans or atleast just doesn't trust them, but the Salarian and Asari Councillor have nothing bad to say about humans.

Modifié par Funkcase, 14 octobre 2011 - 12:01 .

[ryoldschool]

LOL, I save the council just to get the Turian "air quote" line in ME2.

[Zakatak757]

Jesus Christ, dude. I can't even convey my thoughts about you on this forum without getting hit with a banhammer.

At the time we made the decision, it is safe to assume that the Destiny Ascension would stand back at 100,000km or so and fire away slugs at Sovereign, seeing as none of the Alliance cruisers have weapons that exceed 10 kilotons.

Also, in response to "WHY WASTE RESOURCES?!"

Having one man shooting a Tiger tank with a 9mm pistol will do no damage to the tank. Having one hundred men shooting a Tiger tank with 9mm pistols will also do no damage to the tank. Sovereign managed to run over a 800m turian cruiser without even making a scratch on its barriers. Why would a larger amount of cruisers even help against a ship that big?

Also, I find it funny that you accuse of saving "racist dicks" when you have no right to even accuse others of racism, Mr.10000AsariLivesArentWorth2400HumanOnes

[Zakatak757]

Prince Zeel wrote...
Save me the crap guys. I'm not having it tonight. 

Except you are <_<

[DiebytheSword]

Prince Zeel wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...



Just because a decision is given to you on certain terms, does not mean you cannot engage that decision from many angles.  I chose a path you did not forsee, nor apparently cared for.

Oh yeah yeah yeah.You are just a bloody neuroscientist with your amazing analyzing abilities. How oh how did you manage to deduce the numbers in acension AND that there would be no penalty for dividing your forces?
Your type of skills are wasted on gaming.


Save me the crap guys. I'm not having it tonight. 

Dreadnaughts are compared to Carriers in size and staffing in the codex.  I have some general knowledge about the military actually here on earth that built a fairly good image of how many people staff one of those monsters.

I did not know that there would be no penalty for dividing forces, as I felt that I wasn't dividing them.  The Heretic fleet was a threat, and one that could form a defensive line on Sovereign.  I took a gamble.  He who dares, wins.  For someone who takes the renegade path, you seem to not be particularly bold, just ruthless.

Thank you for your backhanded compliment/sarcasm.

Oh, and I didn't perform brainsurgery on anyone in Mass Effect, unless you count the kind with bullets.

I've spent many years practicing the martial arts, and one of the skills that teaches you is deconstructing threats and dealing with it in the most efficient way possible.  I chose a particular path that I felt was pragmatic, to suggest that I did so out of sunshinebunnyslippersrainbowmyliitleponygon loyalty, is at best, showing just how little you know of me.  You know, since you don't know me.

[NeroSparda]

Prince Zeel wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...


lol Your so called main argument is so freaking static dude I can't really see it I guess. First you talk about Paragons sacrificed 50,000 human lives (just plain stupid) then you attempt to make a case that the other races are useless (which I quickly disprove) after that you claim that I am bs on the claim that more aliens were saved than humans died in the Paragon ending (which I also proved you were false lol). 

Now you change goal posts again lol.

I'm not moving the goal posts, sweetheart. If you manage to get that high school dipolma you might be able to comprehend what I am posting right now. My point, and will always BE MY POINT is that dividing our forces during a critical galaxy invasion was a STUPID decision.  
I will acknowledge my numbers were screwed up, but I didn't see those clips because I DONT PLAY PARAGON. Also, what the flying ****. Half of these figures weren't presented during the Me1 decisions. So again, what is the relevance?

The decision as was presented showed one obviously smarter choice but because it happened to be renegade, SUDDENLY it's the "stupid" choice. BS Bioware. keep braiding Paragon's hair.

So I should ignore your idiotic posts that basically attacked all Paragons for supposedly sacrificing Humans and calling all aliens racists (humans seem to be more xenophobic in game)? 

Also Bioware didn't show a stupid decision dimwit. No decision was inherently stupid. Vigil did kind of imply that one fleet wouldn't be enough to stop Sovereign even Shepard seemed to doubt it. Hell if the Destiny Ascension has the same amount of fire power as an entire Asari fleet I'd say Sovereign is far more capable.  It wouldn't be difficult for shepard to reasonably assume that the Alliance will likely not be able to win that fight and allowing for the Council leadership to escape and saving some Citadel ships could easily make up for the missing Alliance vessels.

Hell even then the Alliance fleet didn't necessarily kill Sovereign. It took Shepard essentially knocking Nazara out to open it up for a killing strike.

This is spinning at it's fcking finest.
Let me get this logic clear. By diving our forces to save a ship that was getting owned, we are some how strengthening our assualt?

Please stay out of  the military.

It has been noted and I have the scene open up right now and by no means did the fleet divide to save the council. The arms were closed so even when they arrived, they couldn't do jack sh*t until it does open. So they were waiting until it does, which would have been bad if you know, the Geth saw and decided to attack, taking losses and forcing them to combat the geth, potentially giving Soverign MORE TIME TO OPEN THE RELAY FOR THE REAPERS.

[Prince Zeel]

Funkcase wrote...


Shepard's a Spectre, his prorities are stability for the whole Galaxy, aliens included.

I AGREE! so why oh bloody why did you guys think that wasting time on protecting a bunch of loser council retards was better than saving the galaxy from a REAPER THREAT.

He wasn't killing every human by saving the council, he was building bridges.

If saving the GOD DAMN GALAXY from a reaper threat isn't enough to "Build" bridges then these aliens are just racist buttholes. They should be purged like the racist council members who in their blissfull ignorance condemened those 10000 aliens aboard the Ascension.

Besides the galaxy needs leaders in a time of crysis,

Yes. A leader that can make smart decisions. Ergo, galaxy > council.

an all human council would not make the other races trust humanity, they're worried about how fast humanity are taking over. So using the Council as a sacrifice is not going to do the Alliance justice when it comes to building relations.

Read: saving Galaxy, what else do these aliens want?

How are the Council racist? I think it's clear that the Turian councillor dislikes humans or atleast just doesn't trust them, but the Salarian and Asari Councillor have nothing bad to say about humans.

All three were anti humans and complete dicks to my Shepard.
If anyone is wondering, when the decisions came up, I DID NOT HESISTATE.

PUUUUUUUURGE

Modifié par Prince Zeel, 14 octobre 2011 - 12:05 .

[capn233]

You fail to recognize that the Geth fleet isn't going to ignore the Alliance once the arms open. Hanging back at the relay while the Citadel fleet is engaged makes little sense. Did you mistakenly believe that the Alliance fleet would destroy Sovereign with one volley? Did you assume the Citadel fleet won't be able to help destroy Sovereign if you intervene? Sure, the Ascension withdraws, but what about the rest of the fleet?

But that is somewhat besides the point. The renegade choice isn't "concentrate on Sovereign" it is "Let the Council die" with the justification of not wasting human lives to save the Council. Congratulations, you just alienated all of the citadel races and gained nothing tactically.

Modifié par capn233, 14 octobre 2011 - 12:07 .

[GMagnum]

ok idk wtf u ppl r saying but i am a paragon and i always kill da council

[onelifecrisis]

PXXL wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Wow, this guy is a riot.

 is he always like this? or is the new killer feature getting to him?

He does have a fairly long-standing reputation around here, so yeah I guess always(?), but I've not seen much of it before.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 14 octobre 2011 - 12:07 .

[NeroSparda]

GMagnum wrote...

ok idk wtf u ppl r saying but i am a paragon and i always kill da council

That's cool and all, but the reasons Zeel said are so untrue, it is sad. He works so hard that I am not sure he is trolling or honestly believes them.