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[1136342t54_]

Prince Zeel wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...


lol Your so called main argument is so freaking static dude I can't really see it I guess. First you talk about Paragons sacrificed 50,000 human lives (just plain stupid) then you attempt to make a case that the other races are useless (which I quickly disprove) after that you claim that I am bs on the claim that more aliens were saved than humans died in the Paragon ending (which I also proved you were false lol). 

Now you change goal posts again lol.

I'm not moving the goal posts, sweetheart. If you manage to get that high school dipolma you might be able to comprehend what I am posting right now. My point, and will always BE MY POINT is that dividing our forces during a critical galaxy invasion was a STUPID decision.  
I will acknowledge my numbers were screwed up, but I didn't see those clips because I DONT PLAY PARAGON. Also, what the flying ****. Half of these figures weren't presented during the Me1 decisions. So again, what is the relevance?

The decision as was presented showed one obviously smarter choice but because it happened to be renegade, SUDDENLY it's the "stupid" choice. BS Bioware. keep braiding Paragon's hair.

So I should ignore your idiotic posts that basically attacked all Paragons for supposedly sacrificing Humans and calling all aliens racists (humans seem to be more xenophobic in game)? 

Also Bioware didn't show a stupid decision dimwit. No decision was inherently stupid. Vigil did kind of imply that one fleet wouldn't be enough to stop Sovereign even Shepard seemed to doubt it. Hell if the Destiny Ascension has the same amount of fire power as an entire Asari fleet I'd say Sovereign is far more capable.  It wouldn't be difficult for shepard to reasonably assume that the Alliance will likely not be able to win that fight and allowing for the Council leadership to escape and saving some Citadel ships could easily make up for the missing Alliance vessels.

Hell even then the Alliance fleet didn't necessarily kill Sovereign. It took Shepard essentially knocking Nazara out to open it up for a killing strike.

This is spinning at it's fcking finest.
Let me get this logic clear. By diving our forces to save a ship that was getting owned, we are some how strengthening our assualt?

Please stay out of  the military.

Do you know what divide even means? So when Admiral Hackett focuses the ENTIRE fleet to save the council you call that dividing? 

I'm glad you admit to flaming at the very least.

[General User]

Easily my favorite "telling off the Council" bit:

CrazyCatDude wrote...

Now? Now you want my help? Fine.
I'll help you. I'll help you because its my job. I'll help you because
it will save the lives of people who don't deserve to die for your
arrogance. But mostly, I'll help you because it's the right thing to
do. But when this is over, I'm going to tell everyone that I warned
you, that you had three years to prepare, and that you did nothing. And
when they come, howling for your blood, I'm going to do exactly what
you did. Nothing.

...bar none.

[Prince Zeel]

capn233 wrote...

You fail to recognize that the Geth fleet isn't going to ignore the Alliance once the arms open. Hanging back at the relay while the Citadel fleet is engaged makes little sense. Did you mistakenly believe that the Alliance fleet would destroy Sovereign with one volley? Did you assume the Citadel fleet won't be able to help destroy Sovereign if you intervene? Sure, the Ascension withdraws, but what about the rest of the fleet?

But that is somewhat besides the point. The renegade choice isn't "concentrate on Sovereign" it is "Let the Council die" with the justification of not wasting human lives to save the Council. Congratulations, you just alienated all of the citadel races and gained nothing tactically.

whhhhattt the shiiitt?

Dude. Is there like an alternate version of Mass Effect 1 I've never played, or something. All this "tactical" information is completely new to me. it seems almost like, you guys are stretching to justify a stupid decision. Why bother? Bioware has already done it for you.

[1136342t54_]

Prince Zeel wrote...

capn233 wrote...

You fail to recognize that the Geth fleet isn't going to ignore the Alliance once the arms open. Hanging back at the relay while the Citadel fleet is engaged makes little sense. Did you mistakenly believe that the Alliance fleet would destroy Sovereign with one volley? Did you assume the Citadel fleet won't be able to help destroy Sovereign if you intervene? Sure, the Ascension withdraws, but what about the rest of the fleet?

But that is somewhat besides the point. The renegade choice isn't "concentrate on Sovereign" it is "Let the Council die" with the justification of not wasting human lives to save the Council. Congratulations, you just alienated all of the citadel races and gained nothing tactically.

whhhhattt the shiiitt?

Dude. Is there like an alternate version of Mass Effect 1 I've never played, or something. All this "tactical" information is completely new to me. it seems almost like, you guys are stretching to justify a stupid decision. Why bother? Bioware has already done it for you.

Both decisions aren't stupid deal with it. There are both pros and cons for both decisions.

[Svett89]

Do not feed the troll please!
Personally, I hope the Turian councilor keeps being stubborn about the Reapers not existing for as long as realisticly possible. While it is probably quite an unrealistic attitude, making him a caricature would serve the purpose of increasing the satisfaction when he finally has to come to grips with reality. 
After the Reapers invade Earth he will probably go: "Ah yes, the Geth attack on "Earth", the planet in the Sol system allegedly being the birth planet of the human race. We have dismissed that claim.". Really looking forward to his reaction when the Turians starts getting their asses kicked by the Reapers.

[NeroSparda]

Prince Zeel wrote...

capn233 wrote...

You fail to recognize that the Geth fleet isn't going to ignore the Alliance once the arms open. Hanging back at the relay while the Citadel fleet is engaged makes little sense. Did you mistakenly believe that the Alliance fleet would destroy Sovereign with one volley? Did you assume the Citadel fleet won't be able to help destroy Sovereign if you intervene? Sure, the Ascension withdraws, but what about the rest of the fleet?

But that is somewhat besides the point. The renegade choice isn't "concentrate on Sovereign" it is "Let the Council die" with the justification of not wasting human lives to save the Council. Congratulations, you just alienated all of the citadel races and gained nothing tactically.

whhhhattt the shiiitt?

Dude. Is there like an alternate version of Mass Effect 1 I've never played, or something. All this "tactical" information is completely new to me. it seems almost like, you guys are stretching to justify a stupid decision. Why bother? Bioware has already done it for you.

How about this scene right here?

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Prince Zeel wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...



Just because a decision is given to you on certain terms, does not mean you cannot engage that decision from many angles.  I chose a path you did not forsee, nor apparently cared for.

Oh yeah yeah yeah.You are just a bloody neuroscientist with your amazing analyzing abilities. How oh how did you manage to deduce the numbers in acension AND that there would be no penalty for dividing your forces?
Your type of skills are wasted on gaming.


Save me the crap guys. I'm not having it tonight. 

Wow, do you just derail threads for the fun of it or is it a serious hobby with you?

First off, why are you all arguing about the ME1 ending in a thread aboout ME3?

Second, there are 3 end results regarding the council. I've played them all. Incidentally does this make me a 'smart renegade' or a 'paragon pansy'? just curious.

So the 3 council states going into ME2 are 'saved original council', 'let council die but replace them with same races' or 'let council die and have a Human dominated council eplace them'.

In all 3 cases, in ME2 you end up with a council that denies the reaper threat. Hence the actual topic of this thread.

So why the #$!@ are you talking about 'paragon pansy choices' that have nothing to do with the thread?

[Zakatak757]

Point form time, because paragraphs are too big for this sourpuss to read.

- 2,400 lives < 10,000 lives (lost depending on which you pick).
- Destroying the Geth fleet will prevent them from bothering the Alliance when plinking away at Sovereign, don't think of this as "just saving the Council", think tactically!
- 7 cruisers are lost to the Geth ships. If 50 Alliance cruisers cannot even touch Sovereign, 43 cruisers can't either.
- The Geth are focussing on the Ascension, when making the decision, you could assume that the Geth wouldn't even be able to respond to the Arcturus fleet.
- The Destiny Ascension could fire off 40 kiloton slugs at Sovereign from long distance. Don't even say "DANGER TO OUR SHIPS!" because shockwaves don't and can't happen in space, idiot.
- Species will come to respect us if we sacrifice for the greater good. Respect = friends = trade/military partners.
- The Citadel's arms hadn't even opened yet. What do you want to do, bum rush the steel walls and hope they open in time?

Did you get that? Did you?
Smashing Paragons is just sideskirting the discussion at hand. Pay attention.

Modifié par Zakatak757, 14 octobre 2011 - 12:20 .

[onelifecrisis]

General User wrote...

Easily my favorite "telling off the Council" bit:

CrazyCatDude wrote...

Now? Now you want my help? Fine.
I'll help you. I'll help you because its my job. I'll help you because
it will save the lives of people who don't deserve to die for your
arrogance. But mostly, I'll help you because it's the right thing to
do. But when this is over, I'm going to tell everyone that I warned
you, that you had three years to prepare, and that you did nothing. And
when they come, howling for your blood, I'm going to do exactly what
you did. Nothing.

...bar none.

What wait where was that posted? I missed it, and it's awesome.

[1136342t54_]

Zakatak757 wrote...

Point form time, because paragraphs are too big for this sourpuss to read.

- 2,400 lives < 10,000 lives (lost depending on which you pick).
- Destroying the Geth fleet will prevent them from bothering the Alliance when plinking away at Sovereign, don't think of this as "just saving the Council", think tactically!
- 7 cruisers are lost to the Geth ships. If 50 Alliance cruisers cannot even touch Sovereign, 43 cruisers can't either.
- The Geth are focussing on the Ascension, when making the decision, you could assume that the Geth wouldn't even be able to respond to the Arcturus fleet.
- The Destiny Ascension could fire off 40 kiloton slugs at Sovereign from long distance. Don't even say "DANGER TO OUR SHIPS!" because shockwaves don't and can't happen in space, idiot.
- Species will come to respect us if we sacrifice for the greater good. Respect = friends = trade/military partners.

Did you get that? Did you?

You have to capitalize the words and make the letters rainbow colors for Zeel to read.

[Prince Zeel]

1136342t54 wrote...


Both decisions aren't stupid deal with it. There are both pros and cons for both decisions.

When one decision says "Save council over the galaxy" then tis a stupid decision. WHY do you guys continue to deny this?

Modifié par Prince Zeel, 14 octobre 2011 - 12:17 .

[Someone With Mass]

Shinian2 wrote...

Wow, do you just derail threads for the fun of it or is it a serious hobby with you?

First off, why are you all arguing about the ME1 ending in a thread aboout ME3?

Second, there are 3 end results regarding the council. I've played them all. Incidentally does this make me a 'smart renegade' or a 'paragon pansy'? just curious.

So the 3 council states going into ME2 are 'saved original council', 'let council die but replace them with same races' or 'let council die and have a Human dominated council eplace them'.

In all 3 cases, in ME2 you end up with a council that denies the reaper threat. Hence the actual topic of this thread.

So why the #$!@ are you talking about 'paragon pansy choices' that have nothing to do with the thread?

Because he's a troll who has nothing better to do.

[NeroSparda]

Prince Zeel wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...


Both decisions aren't stupid deal with it. There are both pros and cons for both decisions.

When one decision says "Save council over the galaxy" then tis a stupid decision. WHY do you guys continue to deny this?

The renegade option is much of a gamble as well, since the arms were not open when they arrived. Actually they seem to be lucky that the Geth did not attack from behind or happen to destroy the Destiny Accession just when/after the arms open up.

[Zakatak757]

Prince Zeel wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...


Both decisions aren't stupid deal with it. There are both pros and cons for both decisions.

When one decision says "Save council over the galaxy" then tis a stupid decision. WHY do you guys continue to deny this?

Except that isn't the case you degenerate.

The choices are "save galaxy THIS WAY, or save the galaxy THIS WAY".

If this is your best response, then just give up. You've lost. A "I respect and understand your opinion, but I think" would be perfectly reasonable. Thinking of yourself as some kind of prophet of truth though? Retarded. You sound retarded.

[1136342t54_]

Prince Zeel wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...


Both decisions aren't stupid deal with it. There are both pros and cons for both decisions.

When one decision says "Save council over the galaxy" then tis a stupid decision. WHY do you guys continue to deny this?

Actually the decisions were these. Save the council, let the council die or concentrate on Sovereign. That is straight from the dialog wheel of the situation.

[Prince Zeel]

Zakatak757 wrote...

Point form time, because paragraphs are too big for this sourpuss to read.

- 2,400 lives < 10,000 lives (lost depending on which you pick).
- Destroying the Geth fleet will prevent them from bothering the Alliance when plinking away at Sovereign, don't think of this as "just saving the Council", think tactically!
- 7 cruisers are lost to the Geth ships. If 50 Alliance cruisers cannot even touch Sovereign, 43 cruisers can't either.
- The Geth are focussing on the Ascension, when making the decision, you could assume that the Geth wouldn't even be able to respond to the Arcturus fleet.
- The Destiny Ascension could fire off 40 kiloton slugs at Sovereign from long distance. Don't even say "DANGER TO OUR SHIPS!" because shockwaves don't and can't happen in space, idiot.
- Species will come to respect us if we sacrifice for the greater good. Respect = friends = trade/military partners.

Did you get that? Did you?
Smashing Paragons is just sideskirting the discussion at hand. Pay attention.

LA LA LA LALLLLLLLLALL I ALREADY ANSWERED THESE POINTS.


None of this "information" was presented during the decision. 


Shall I bold this?



Keep on trucking though Paragons.

[Prince Zeel]

1136342t54 wrote...




Actually the decisions were these. Save the council, let the council die or concentrate on Sovereign. That is straight from the dialog wheel of the situation.

Yeah and just before that, we had our party members going "save the galaxy or save the council?"

"saving the council might lose precious resources"

the dialog wheel was just simplied for obvious reasons.

[1136342t54_]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...

Point form time, because paragraphs are too big for this sourpuss to read.

- 2,400 lives < 10,000 lives (lost depending on which you pick).
- Destroying the Geth fleet will prevent them from bothering the Alliance when plinking away at Sovereign, don't think of this as "just saving the Council", think tactically!
- 7 cruisers are lost to the Geth ships. If 50 Alliance cruisers cannot even touch Sovereign, 43 cruisers can't either.
- The Geth are focussing on the Ascension, when making the decision, you could assume that the Geth wouldn't even be able to respond to the Arcturus fleet.
- The Destiny Ascension could fire off 40 kiloton slugs at Sovereign from long distance. Don't even say "DANGER TO OUR SHIPS!" because shockwaves don't and can't happen in space, idiot.
- Species will come to respect us if we sacrifice for the greater good. Respect = friends = trade/military partners.

Did you get that? Did you?
Smashing Paragons is just sideskirting the discussion at hand. Pay attention.

LA LA LA LALLLLLLLLALL I ALREADY ANSWERED THESE POINTS.


None of this "information" was presented during the decision. 


Shall I bold this?



Keep on trucking though Paragons.

Basically your going the route of LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!

Nothing to see here folks just another troll keep it moving.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Shinian2 wrote...

Wow, do you just derail threads for the fun of it or is it a serious hobby with you?

First off, why are you all arguing about the ME1 ending in a thread aboout ME3?

Second, there are 3 end results regarding the council. I've played them all. Incidentally does this make me a 'smart renegade' or a 'paragon pansy'? just curious.

So the 3 council states going into ME2 are 'saved original council', 'let council die but replace them with same races' or 'let council die and have a Human dominated council eplace them'.

In all 3 cases, in ME2 you end up with a council that denies the reaper threat. Hence the actual topic of this thread.

So why the #$!@ are you talking about 'paragon pansy choices' that have nothing to do with the thread?

Because he's a troll who has nothing better to do.

True, but a very successful one considering how many people are arguing with him rather than discussing the actual OP.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I'm wondering if we played the same game, or simply that my life experience came into play. The only one of the three councilors that seemed like a racist bastard was the Turian, Velarn. The other two, Asari and Salarian, never gave Shepard any real trouble. They were politicians and were representatives of their civilizations in the galactic government.

It wasn't a choice of saving the council and losing to Sovereign vs. not saving the council and defeating Sovereign. It was a choice of being a full galactic partner or being just as petty and racist as Velarn. The Geth fleet was nearly finished anyway, and the Turians thought the DA could handle the rest and went after Sovereign. However the DA's shields were damaged and they were starting to take damage as well. It was taking out most of the remaining Geth while the DA got their shields back up then zip into the Citadel to take on Sovereign. Allies don't sacrifice an Allied warship just because one commander is p!ssed off at the Turian councilor. Think bigger picture. To be that petty about it is simply stupid.

[1136342t54_]

Prince Zeel wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...




Actually the decisions were these. Save the council, let the council die or concentrate on Sovereign. That is straight from the dialog wheel of the situation.

Yeah and just before that, we had our party members going "save the galaxy or save the council?"

"saving the council might lose precious resources"

the dialog wheel was just simplied for obvious reasons.

Actually one of them say this is bigger than humanity and Sovereign is a threat to every species in the galaxyt (argument for saving the council), we need to save the fleet to attack sovereign (argument for against saving teh council)

Edit: This is where I stop.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 14 octobre 2011 - 12:26 .

[NeroSparda]

Prince Zeel wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...




Actually the decisions were these. Save the council, let the council die or concentrate on Sovereign. That is straight from the dialog wheel of the situation.

Yeah and just before that, we had our party members going "save the galaxy or save the council?"

"saving the council might lose precious resources"

the dialog wheel was just simplied for obvious reasons.

So you are saying that Paragons are stupid AND old enough to forget a sentence like that within a few seconds after it is said?

Also one (possibly alien or human) member is saying "Saving the council might lose precious resources" while the other is saying "save council, this is bigger than humanity" EVEN the HUMAN Kaiden says the latter.

[Prince Zeel]

I'm getting tired of these troll accusations. Either refute my points or get out of the topic.

[1136342t54_]

Interesting. The troll is complaining about us not refuting its points even though we all have. Very interesting.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Prince Zeel wrote...

I'm getting tired of these troll accusations. Either refute my points or get out of the topic.

That's funny. You aren't even discussing the topic. Maybe you should make your own?