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[NeroSparda]

1136342t54 wrote...

Interesting. The troll is complaining about us not refuting its points even though we all have. Very interesting.

I even put up links of cutscenes to prove my point.

[Zakatak757]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...

Point form time, because paragraphs are too big for this sourpuss to read.

- 2,400 lives < 10,000 lives (lost depending on which you pick).
- Destroying the Geth fleet will prevent them from bothering the Alliance when plinking away at Sovereign, don't think of this as "just saving the Council", think tactically!
- 7 cruisers are lost to the Geth ships. If 50 Alliance cruisers cannot even touch Sovereign, 43 cruisers can't either.
- The Geth are focussing on the Ascension, when making the decision, you could assume that the Geth wouldn't even be able to respond to the Arcturus fleet.
- The Destiny Ascension could fire off 40 kiloton slugs at Sovereign from long distance. Don't even say "DANGER TO OUR SHIPS!" because shockwaves don't and can't happen in space, idiot.
- Species will come to respect us if we sacrifice for the greater good. Respect = friends = trade/military partners.

Did you get that? Did you?
Smashing Paragons is just sideskirting the discussion at hand. Pay attention.

LA LA LA LALLLLLLLLALL I ALREADY ANSWERED THESE POINTS.

None of this "information" was presented during the decision. 

Shall I bold this?

Keep on trucking though Paragons.

Oh, sorry, I thought you were the first to use the "post decision reasons" as to which was the better decisions.
Fine, let's play "fairly".

- Shepard already knew 10,000 lives were onboard the Ascension, as shown in dialog on the Citadel.
- A proper soldier would think beyond "save or don't them? Hmmm..." killing off those Geth prevents them from attacking Alliance ships.
- Sovereign managed to punch through a massive fleet of cruisers, including the most powerful Dreadnought ever built. My Tiger tank analogy still holds weight.
- As I already mentioned, a soldier could assume that the Geth would be too focussed on the Ascension to even dent the Arcturus fleet.
- About 10 other arguments you wouldn't read are implied here

[GMagnum]

bsn calls everything a troll lol its pretty sad smh

[capn233]

If you are a renegade you hardly listen to their advice anyway...

If you had a modicum of intelligence you would understand why there is no reason to hang back when the Geth fleet is in between you and Sovereign anyway. You will have to engage them at some point. The fact that the arms are closed when the fleet arrives means it makes more sense to engage them right away.

How does sitting back until the arms open help you tactically? There has never been any sort of logical let alone coherent explanation of why that may be.

[Prince Zeel]

1136342t54 wrote...

Interesting. The troll is complaining about us not refuting its points even though we all have. Very interesting.

What the hell are you talking about? I already debunk the "well 10000 people, well geth attack, well this and that, and this and that and blah blah"

That information was NOT present during the decision. so that is not a good argument for why you choose that option.

The only good argument I've seen is "alien harmony" crap. and to that I say, we just saved the Galaxy, that should've been enough.


But Bioware is too busy spinning plotholes and Renegade punishments.

[Someone With Mass]

Shinian2 wrote...

True, but a very successful one considering how many people are arguing with him rather than discussing the actual OP.

I'd guess because it's fun to poke the troll.

Even if the Council consists of morons (big shock, they're politicians), they still have power over other species that can be utilized in the future to help Shepard.

Plus, as many other have pointed out, wiping out the geth first so they won't bother anyone anymore seems like a better plan than to simply just ignore them and let them do whatever they want.

[1136342t54_]

Now here is another claim that it has debunked all of those claims when in fact it has only yelled out random statements and said LALALALALAALA all the time. Very interesting.

[capn233]

Zakatak757 wrote...
- As I already mentioned, a soldier could assume that the Geth would be too focussed on the Ascension to even dent the Arcturus fleet.

This seems extremely unlikely to me.  The primary objective of the Geth fleet is to support Sovereign.  And considering the Ascension was nearly out of the fight, it is more than likely that the Geth would move to engage any ships that were going to fire at Sovereign.

[NeroSparda]

Prince Zeel wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Interesting. The troll is complaining about us not refuting its points even though we all have. Very interesting.

What the hell are you talking about? I already debunk the "well 10000 people, well geth attack, well this and that, and this and that and blah blah"

That information was NOT present during the decision. so that is not a good argument for why you choose that option.

The only good argument I've seen is "alien harmony" crap. and to that I say, we just saved the Galaxy, that should've been enough.


But Bioware is too busy spinning plotholes and Renegade punishments.

I'm sorry, but are you ignoring my and a few other's point of how lucky the fleet were that the Geth did not attack the fleet after choosing the Renegade option?

[Captain_Obvious]

PXXL wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Wow, this guy is a riot.

 is he always like this? or is the new killer feature getting to him?

Always.  Let's just say that the BSN has it's very own little ray of sunshine. 

[Prince Zeel]

Zakatak757 wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...

Point form time, because paragraphs are too big for this sourpuss to read.

- 2,400 lives < 10,000 lives (lost depending on which you pick).
- Destroying the Geth fleet will prevent them from bothering the Alliance when plinking away at Sovereign, don't think of this as "just saving the Council", think tactically!
- 7 cruisers are lost to the Geth ships. If 50 Alliance cruisers cannot even touch Sovereign, 43 cruisers can't either.
- The Geth are focussing on the Ascension, when making the decision, you could assume that the Geth wouldn't even be able to respond to the Arcturus fleet.
- The Destiny Ascension could fire off 40 kiloton slugs at Sovereign from long distance. Don't even say "DANGER TO OUR SHIPS!" because shockwaves don't and can't happen in space, idiot.
- Species will come to respect us if we sacrifice for the greater good. Respect = friends = trade/military partners.

Did you get that? Did you?
Smashing Paragons is just sideskirting the discussion at hand. Pay attention.

LA LA LA LALLLLLLLLALL I ALREADY ANSWERED THESE POINTS.

None of this "information" was presented during the decision. 

Shall I bold this?

Keep on trucking though Paragons.

Oh, sorry, I thought you were the first to use the "post decision reasons" as to which was the better decisions.
Fine, let's play "fairly".

- Shepard already knew 10,000 lives were onboard the Ascension, as shown in dialog on the Citadel.
- A proper soldier would think beyond "save or don't them? Hmmm..." killing off those Geth prevents them from attacking Alliance ships.
- Sovereign managed to punch through a massive fleet of cruisers, including the most powerful Dreadnought ever built. My Tiger tank analogy still holds weight.
- As I already mentioned, a soldier could assume that the Geth would be too focussed on the Ascension to even dent the Arcturus fleet.
- About 10 other arguments you wouldn't read are implied here

-What "dialog" on the citadel showed he knew that?  Hell, I thought they were escaping on some mini escape pod.
-A "proper" soldier focuses on the main threat, not some "geth" inflitrating space.
-No your tiger tank analogy does not hold weight.
-???? what argument is this?
-yeah yeah, but you can't list them, can you.


I already won this debate. It's so obvious.

[NeroSparda]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...

Point form time, because paragraphs are too big for this sourpuss to read.

- 2,400 lives < 10,000 lives (lost depending on which you pick).
- Destroying the Geth fleet will prevent them from bothering the Alliance when plinking away at Sovereign, don't think of this as "just saving the Council", think tactically!
- 7 cruisers are lost to the Geth ships. If 50 Alliance cruisers cannot even touch Sovereign, 43 cruisers can't either.
- The Geth are focussing on the Ascension, when making the decision, you could assume that the Geth wouldn't even be able to respond to the Arcturus fleet.
- The Destiny Ascension could fire off 40 kiloton slugs at Sovereign from long distance. Don't even say "DANGER TO OUR SHIPS!" because shockwaves don't and can't happen in space, idiot.
- Species will come to respect us if we sacrifice for the greater good. Respect = friends = trade/military partners.

Did you get that? Did you?
Smashing Paragons is just sideskirting the discussion at hand. Pay attention.

LA LA LA LALLLLLLLLALL I ALREADY ANSWERED THESE POINTS.

None of this "information" was presented during the decision. 

Shall I bold this?

Keep on trucking though Paragons.

Oh, sorry, I thought you were the first to use the "post decision reasons" as to which was the better decisions.
Fine, let's play "fairly".

- Shepard already knew 10,000 lives were onboard the Ascension, as shown in dialog on the Citadel.
- A proper soldier would think beyond "save or don't them? Hmmm..." killing off those Geth prevents them from attacking Alliance ships.
- Sovereign managed to punch through a massive fleet of cruisers, including the most powerful Dreadnought ever built. My Tiger tank analogy still holds weight.
- As I already mentioned, a soldier could assume that the Geth would be too focussed on the Ascension to even dent the Arcturus fleet.
- About 10 other arguments you wouldn't read are implied here

-What "dialog" on the citadel showed he knew that?  Hell, I thought they were escaping on some mini escape pod.
-A "proper" soldier focuses on the main threat, not some "geth" inflitrating space.
-No your tiger tank analogy does not hold weight.
-???? what argument is this?
-yeah yeah, but you can't list them, can you.


I already won this debate. It's so obvious.

Actually you lost the debate the moment you went and call Paragons pansies and use foul languge, before we started to call you a Troll (again).

[Someone With Mass]

Prince Zeel wrote...

But Bioware is too busy spinning plotholes and Renegade punishments.

I have yet to see any consequences of any Renegade choices that can be considered as punishments. 

Not seeing the new Council doesn't count, since it adds just as much as meeting the original Council. Nothing.

Take your weak and butthurt trolling somewhere wlse.

[General User]

onelifecrisis wrote...

General User wrote...

Easily my favorite "telling off the Council" bit:

CrazyCatDude wrote...

Now? Now you want my help? Fine.  I'll help you. I'll help you because its my job. I'll help you because it will save the lives of people who don't deserve to die for your arrogance. But mostly, I'll help you because it's the right thing to do. But when this is over, I'm going to tell everyone that I warned you, that you had three years to prepare, and that you did nothing. And when they come, howling for your blood, I'm going to do exactly what you did. Nothing.

...bar none.

What wait where was that posted? I missed it, and it's awesome.

It's right here...
http://social.biowar...61574/1#8061714

Modifié par General User, 14 octobre 2011 - 12:39 .

[capn233]

Prince Zeel wrote...

-What "dialog" on the citadel showed he knew that?  Hell, I thought they were escaping on some mini escape pod.

Oh I dunno, the question Joker asks right before that choice pops up.

"Move in now to save the Destiny Ascension...."

If at that point you weren't listening to Joker, or if you didn't know what the Destiny Ascension was, then ok.  With your lack of knowledge I can see why you made the inferior choice.

-A "proper" soldier focuses on the main threat, not some "geth" inflitrating space.

So a proper soldier ignores other threats in between himself and the objective?  Threats that have the means to prevent him from accomplishing that objective?

Modifié par capn233, 14 octobre 2011 - 12:38 .

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Shinian2 wrote...

True, but a very successful one considering how many people are arguing with him rather than discussing the actual OP.

I'd guess because it's fun to poke the troll.

Even if the Council consists of morons (big shock, they're politicians), they still have power over other species that can be utilized in the future to help Shepard.

Plus, as many other have pointed out, wiping out the geth first so they won't bother anyone anymore seems like a better plan than to simply just ignore them and let them do whatever they want.

Notice how he's ignoring my post? and he claims he isn't a troll.

I agree with that reasoning. I'd have had the fleet destroy the geth regardless of saving the DA.

[Prince Zeel]

1136342t54 wrote...

Now here is another claim that it has debunked all of those claims when in fact it has only yelled out random statements and said LALALALALAALA all the time. Very interesting.

What is going on here.
It's like theres a black hole between you and logical thinking. I will slow down this further.

I lamented on how stupid the Paragon decision was;
because
A. Galaxy more important.
B. Human lives
C. Council members are dicks
D. Dicks that are easily replaceable


you guys proceeded to argue these points by going

10000 lives!!!!!!!!! a fact we did not know until Mass Effect 2.
GETH THREAT! I don't even get this argument but still debunked.


Where are all these mythical arguments that I'm ignoring or not debating?

Please show me.

[Ensorcelled Cat]

Tonymac wrote...

Saving the council builds bridges - as well as the 10,000 aboard the Destiny Ascension.

Plus the fact that humanity doesn't need  to spend precious time establishing  a boot on the necks of the rest of the Council races after they get control of the Council, so to speak.


Sure, to quote Miranda, a "human-positive agenda" might be great for Earth, but in the face of a threat like the Reapers (in my own opinion) the best course was to: 1) maintain political stability, so Council races could better rally their forces; and 2) save the lives on the Destiny Ascension, a ****in' flagship (even by cranky-with-aliens Ash Williams standards) with almost ten thousand souls aboard.

Modifié par Ensorcelled Cat, 14 octobre 2011 - 12:48 .

[1136342t54_]

People keep poking it.

Edit: Seriously though do anyone else want to talk instead of responding to Zeel?

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 14 octobre 2011 - 12:41 .

[GMagnum]

relax n roll a blunt guys

[Prince Zeel]

Shinian2 wrote...

Notice how he's ignoring my post? and he claims he isn't a troll.
.

I don't usually acknowledge people who stroll into topics repeat the same argument and then slap TROLL at the end of it.

but consider yourself lucky.

[Sgt Stryker]

capn233 wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

-What "dialog" on the citadel showed he knew that?  Hell, I thought they were escaping on some mini escape pod.

Oh I dunno, the question Joker asks right before that choice pops up.

"Move in now to save the Destiny Ascension...."

If at that point you weren't listening to Joker, or if you didn't know what the Destiny Ascension was, then ok.  With your lack of knowledge I can see why you made the inferior choice.

Just some food for thought: The Destiny Ascension is mentioned in the (unskippable, mind you) cutscene when you first arrive at the Citadel. If Zeely doesn't know what that is when it's decision time, then he evidently has a malfunctioning memory, in addition to his malfunctioning frontal lobe.

[Prince Zeel]

1136342t54 wrote...

People keep poking it.

Edit: Seriously though do anyone else want to talk instead of responding to Zeel?

Let me get this straight. 5 people are replying to my posts. Yet I am the one being "Poked"??

I'm severly amused by your ability to delude yourself. Congratulations. Do you ride a purple dinosaur to school as well?

[NeroSparda]

Prince Zeel wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Now here is another claim that it has debunked all of those claims when in fact it has only yelled out random statements and said LALALALALAALA all the time. Very interesting.

What is going on here.
It's like theres a black hole between you and logical thinking. I will slow down this further.

I lamented on how stupid the Paragon decision was;
because
A. Galaxy more important.
B. Human lives
C. Council members are dicks
D. Dicks that are easily replaceable


you guys proceeded to argue these points by going

10000 lives!!!!!!!!! a fact we did not know until Mass Effect 2.
GETH THREAT! I don't even get this argument but still debunked.


Where are all these mythical arguments that I'm ignoring or not debating?

Please show me.

Look above and the last page. But of course you would ignore them. You have your head so far up your butt with your so called Messiah complex that your deluded reasons of a reasonable (no sarcasm) action can't be proven wrong.

[Prince Zeel]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

capn233 wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

-What "dialog" on the citadel showed he knew that?  Hell, I thought they were escaping on some mini escape pod.

Oh I dunno, the question Joker asks right before that choice pops up.

"Move in now to save the Destiny Ascension...."

If at that point you weren't listening to Joker, or if you didn't know what the Destiny Ascension was, then ok.  With your lack of knowledge I can see why you made the inferior choice.

Just some food for thought: The Destiny Ascension is mentioned in the (unskippable, mind you) cutscene when you first arrive at the Citadel. If Zeely doesn't know what that is when it's decision time, then he evidently has a malfunctioning memory, in addition to his malfunctioning frontal lobe.

May I see this clip please. I do not remember.