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[Sajuro]

As for the Turian councilor, I don't want to punch him in the face or strike him since I have 'impulse control'
As for those lives, The crew of the destiny ascension is larger and you have no proof that at least 3 of the humans who died weren't xenophobic douchebags, so see you are still getting your quota

[Sgt Stryker]

111987 wrote...

I don't know. I think on some of my playthroughs I'll throw it in their face for giggles, but I actually kinda understand their perspective. They don't have any real, solid, irrefutable proof to base their actions are. They are responsible for trillions of lives; if they are going to announce to the galaxy that thousands of immortal, sentient dreadnaughts, each powerful enough to bring down multiple fleets is massing on the edge of the galaxy preparing to wipe out all organic life in the galaxy, they better have some damn good proof.

For those who say "Well they could have still prepared for the Reapers without telling the public!"; who's to say they haven't? Until ME3, for all we know they could have been preparing.

Now I really wish they could have salvaged that derelict Reaper, rather than letting it fall into the brown dwarf.

[Swimming Ferret]

Sajuro wrote...

As for the Turian councilor, I don't want to punch him in the face or strike him since I have 'impulse control'
As for those lives, The crew of the destiny ascension is larger and you have no proof that at least 3 of the humans who died weren't xenophobic douchebags, so see you are still getting your quota

Dude, what are you talking about? Everyone on the DA was obviously a xenophobic dick who deserved to die.

[Someone With Mass]

111987 wrote...
For those who say "Well they could have still prepared for the Reapers without telling the public!"; who's to say they haven't? Until ME3, for all we know they could have been preparing.

There are plenty of indicators that they've forged false news reports and such in order to cover up the Reapers and blame the geth in the process. At least that's what the squad says.

[Sajuro]

Swimming Ferret wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

As for the Turian councilor, I don't want to punch him in the face or strike him since I have 'impulse control'
As for those lives, The crew of the destiny ascension is larger and you have no proof that at least 3 of the humans who died weren't xenophobic douchebags, so see you are still getting your quota

Dude, what are you talking about? Everyone on the DA was obviously a xenophobic dick who deserved to die.

No more than those damn shems!

[Apocsapel91]

Prince Zeel

This guy just doesn't stop, does he?  Also, why does everyone argue with him?  That's exactly what he wants: attention.

OT:  Despite the fact that the Reapers are here to kill everyone, I'm kinda happy that I can shove this in their faces.  Maybe I'll diable a reaper and have it flip the bird to the council.

Modifié par Apocsapel91, 14 octobre 2011 - 02:56 .

[Zakatak757]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...

Point form time, because paragraphs are too big for this sourpuss to read.

- 2,400 lives < 10,000 lives (lost depending on which you pick).
- Destroying the Geth fleet will prevent them from bothering the Alliance when plinking away at Sovereign, don't think of this as "just saving the Council", think tactically!
- 7 cruisers are lost to the Geth ships. If 50 Alliance cruisers cannot even touch Sovereign, 43 cruisers can't either.
- The Geth are focussing on the Ascension, when making the decision, you could assume that the Geth wouldn't even be able to respond to the Arcturus fleet.
- The Destiny Ascension could fire off 40 kiloton slugs at Sovereign from long distance. Don't even say "DANGER TO OUR SHIPS!" because shockwaves don't and can't happen in space, idiot.
- Species will come to respect us if we sacrifice for the greater good. Respect = friends = trade/military partners.

Did you get that? Did you?
Smashing Paragons is just sideskirting the discussion at hand. Pay attention.

LA LA LA LALLLLLLLLALL I ALREADY ANSWERED THESE POINTS.

None of this "information" was presented during the decision. 

Shall I bold this?

Keep on trucking though Paragons.

Oh, sorry, I thought you were the first to use the "post decision reasons" as to which was the better decisions.
Fine, let's play "fairly".

- Shepard already knew 10,000 lives were onboard the Ascension, as shown in dialog on the Citadel.
- A proper soldier would think beyond "save or don't them? Hmmm..." killing off those Geth prevents them from attacking Alliance ships.
- Sovereign managed to punch through a massive fleet of cruisers, including the most powerful Dreadnought ever built. My Tiger tank analogy still holds weight.
- As I already mentioned, a soldier could assume that the Geth would be too focussed on the Ascension to even dent the Arcturus fleet.
- About 10 other arguments you wouldn't read are implied here

-What "dialog" on the citadel showed he knew that?  Hell, I thought they were escaping on some mini escape pod.
-A "proper" soldier focuses on the main threat, not some "geth" inflitrating space.
-No your tiger tank analogy does not hold weight.
-???? what argument is this?
-yeah yeah, but you can't list them, can you.


I already won this debate. It's so obvious.

I'll give you this much.

You would make a wonderful dictator for a hated country.

- They dialog you missed while you were busy hating goddamn everything that ever existed, and directing your rage at Paragons on the internet
- I like the part when you told me why it doesn't
- It's an argument that is better then your lack of an argument
- And where is your list? LALALALALA I ANSWERED THESE doesn't work when you haven't

[Darkfoxz87]

Reapers council:

Meanwhile in Dark Space...

Harbinger: We have to do something, Shepard destroyed the Collectors, just like he did Sovereign!

Reaper Council: Ah yes, "Shepard." The invincible organic leading the effort to stop our invasion who allegedly waits in Council Space...we have dismissed that claim.

Harbinger: *facetentacle*

[Sajuro]

Shepard: The Reapers are attacking Earth, you have to help us!
Turian Councilor: Ah yes "Reapers"
Shepard: I swear to god!
Asari Councilor: *snort*
Salarian Councilor:.... -smiles-
Turian Councilor: We have dismissed that claim.
Shepard: Sovereign attacked the Citadel, they are destroying the homeworlds, why can you not see that.
Salarian Councilor: Shepard, the Reapers aren't real.
Shepard: THEY ARE REAL, THEY WIPED OUT THE PROTHEANS AND THEY WILL KILL US TOO!
Asari councilor: -busts out laughing-
Shepard: What the hell is going on?
Salarian councilor: No Shepard, the Reapers aren't real, what you destroyed at the Citadel was a Sovereign class Warship we had made. These "Reapers" are just a test we were giving Humanity to determine how reliable your species was, everything was staged since that 'beacon' on Eden Prime.
Shepard: You can't expect me to believe that you put all those people in danger!
Salarian councilor: No one was ever in danger, no one was on the ships that were attacked and destroyed by Sovereign.
Shepard: The Geth... what about Saren?
Turian Councilor: Ah yes, the Geth, they agreed to play their role as long as we would keep out of their space and Saren, well he can speak for himself.
Saren: -holds omni tool up to mouth to do Harbinger voice- Assuming Direct Control
Shepard: Wait, does that mean Kaiden is-
Asari Councilor: No, we never expected you to use a nuke on the base, that was pretty damn crazy.
Shepard: ;A;

[onelifecrisis]

Darkfoxz87 wrote...

Harbinger: *facetentacle*

I lol'd hard

[Blacklash93]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Not every life is equal to one another, nor should those of the Council or those mere 10,000 take precedence over stopping Sovereign.

All lives aren't equal to one another? Please, tell me how you're one to judge the value of someone's life over another, especially when you know absolutely nothing about them. And the fact remains that Sovereign could be destroyed while still saving the DA so there's no excuse for abandoning it for practical reasons.

At least all the Alliance forces had a fighting chance to survive, unlike the DA in it's predicament.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 14 octobre 2011 - 07:08 .

[lovgreno]

I got the feeling that Valern actualy already knows. That magnificent bastard...

[Robuthad]

Udina will betray us all. Just like he framed Executor Palin

[marstor05]

Shepard: Oh My God.  The Sky is full of Reapers....
Turian Councilor: Oh really I thought they were Space Squid?
Shepard: Oh my god man are you completely stupid?
Asari Councilor:  Now Now Shepard, I quite like Space Squid.  Really nice on toast with a dash of lemon.
Salarian Councilor: Yeah, but with a dash of pepper.
Turian Councilor: Oh and dont forget the Pickles...  mmmmmm Space Pickles.
Shepard: Oh my god, you are sooooo thick the lot of you.  Right sod you I'm saving myself.
Salarian Councilor: Whats wrong with Space Pickles?
Shepard:  'slaps head'
Asari councilor: Yeah Shepard we could strip your commision for discriminating against Space Pickles.
Shepard: 'slams own head against wall'
Salarian councilor: Yeah but the Asari variety, not the krogan one - too spicy.
Shepard: Arrrgggghhhhhhh
Salarian councilor: Ah I see we do agree on something, now can someone get me some of that please?
Shepard: 'Draws gun and threatens to shoot himself.'
Turian Councilor: Sorry Shep, we were only joking with you......
Shepard: Phew....thank god for that.
Asari Councilor:  Yeah we meant Salarian Space PIckles....
Shepard:  Pulls trigger......

[DiebytheSword]

I halfway expect the Turian Councilor to tell me that its not "reapers", but the Geth fleet finally bringing its full strength to bear.

[Dreadcall]

NeroSparda wrote...

Actually he said Paragons make stupid decisions, which is kind of saying they are stupid.

Well, i felt pretty stupid after saving the council on my first playthrough (though i don't consider it paragon, as on my first playthroughs of both games i always did what felt appropriate, not sticking to one side of the conversation wheel or the other to **** paragon/renaged points ). I did it in hopes that the Destiny Ascension' main gun would perhaps still be functional and it could help take down Sovereign. It's the biggest ship with the biggest gun in the whole citadel fleet after all, so it should be worth saving.

I should have figured i'd be stuck with normandy getting the spotlight anyway.

[BancsBubbl3]

Darkfoxz87 wrote...

Reapers council:

Meanwhile in Dark Space...

Harbinger: We have to do something, Shepard destroyed the Collectors, just like he did Sovereign!

Reaper Council: Ah yes, "Shepard." The invincible organic leading the effort to stop our invasion who allegedly waits in Council Space...we have dismissed that claim.

Harbinger: *facetentacle*

If I could like this, I really would

*facetentacle*

[HK01]

I guess what I really want is that Valern (and the Council at large) actually accept the existence of the Reapers but decided to keep it a secret so as to not cause a panic. Telling Shepard that they don't believe it, in that case, would be the right thing to do, because, let's face it: Shepard has a habit of shouting out "Reapers are coming to kill us all" whenever possible. I remember during ME I often tried to find some dialogue option where he didn't make a fool of himself by making such outrageous claims without any proof or at least only presenting them as theories. Instead, he always acts as though it were a fact and completely obvious and it's just embarassing.

[Ieldra]

lovgreno wrote...
I got the feeling that Valern actualy already knows. That magnificent bastard...

I wouldn't mind this at all.

Only why didn't they tell me? I was their Spectre, they trust me enough to keep their secrets.

But if they really did dismiss my claim and it wasn't all deception, then I want my "I told you so" moment. Heh.....who's taking bets that the dialogue wheel paraphrase will be "I told you so".

Modifié par Ieldra2, 14 octobre 2011 - 11:43 .

[TMA LIVE]

When you disappear for 2 years, and come back in a Cerberus Ship, they ain't going to tell you anything.

[Sajuro]

Ieldra2 wrote...

lovgreno wrote...
I got the feeling that Valern actualy already knows. That magnificent bastard...

I wouldn't mind this at all.

Only why didn't they tell me? I was their Spectre, they trust me enough to keep their secrets.

But if they really did dismiss my claim and it wasn't all deception, then I want my "I told you so" moment. Heh.....who's taking bets that the dialogue wheel paraphrase will be "I told you so".

you kinda work for the organization whose stated goal is "Human Dominance FTW, Oppress or Kill the Aliens."

[Bigdoser]

TMA LIVE wrote...

When you disappear for 2 years, and come back in a Cerberus Ship, they ain't going to tell you anything.

Yup I mean shepard was MIA who supposedly killed with the normandy and then suddenly he pops up in a cerb vessel 2 years later and the fact that shepard is working with them as well? If I was in the council shoes I would not tell shepard anything even anderson won't reveal what the vimire survivor is doing since shepard is with cerb heck shepard is lucky they did not impound the ship or arrest shepard but since shepard saved their butts they willing to let shepard do whatever he/she is doing. Also giving you the spectre status as a goodwill sign was actually quite nice of them since they can easilly arrest you since you are working with a council space enemy.

Modifié par Bigdoser, 14 octobre 2011 - 04:27 .

[danielk20]

If you remember what Vigil said Before they were even aware they were under attack, the Prothean government was killed so a galaxy went in to disarray. That's why i picked to save the council so they galaxy did not go in to disarray as well.

[danielk20]

Prince Zeel wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Zatakafajldkjad whatever and 1279172198271892 whatever. FOCUS ON MY MAIN ARGUMENT PLEASE. arguing over numbers is not how you win a debate.


TYPICAL PARAGON BULLSH#T

You just broke my Trollometer Congrats!!!

INCASE
YOU
ARE
NOT
PAYING
ATTENTION

Here is the main argument: During the soverign attack, it was foolish to divide our forces to save a bunch of racists pricks.

You guys also didn't know the numbers of the acension back then either. Bioware just happened to write that crap in for the paragon interrupt in Me2. So that's not a good argument.

ALso, it was human lives you sacrificed, where our Shepards priorities? Aliens, or humans?

And Finally, why is it that, paragons divide their forces, yet recieved ABSOLOUTELY NO PENTALTY against soverign. That is some load of crap.

You are going to need the acension in ME3 to help in the war with a reapers. I personaly would sacrifices half of humanity if it stoped a reapers and im a paragon.

[lady_v23]

seriously..I'm so hoping that when Shepard in in trial. there's a renegade option. that will tell off all of them.