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[Kwanzaabot]

So, just a completely random thought I had, but I was wondering why it is that you see plenty of human, elven and dwarven Grey Wardens, but I'm yet to hear of a single Qunari Grey Warden. (Sure, Sten fought Darkspawn, but somehow I doubt he would've done it if it wasn't in his best interest to escape the Blight)

Why is this? Is it simply because there hasn't been the right opportunity to show one in-game (or in a novel), or is it that the whole idea of "A place for everything and everything in its place" that the Qun seems to be all about, makes it difficult to recruit a Qunari to fight Darkspawn, when they already have a job to do?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Unlikely. The Qunari do not have a treaty with the Grey Wardens and the last widespread Blight came before their arrival into Thedas. Being a Grey Warden would require prioritizing the battle against the darkspawn above everything and being politically neutral to to all including the Qun.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 14 octobre 2011 - 02:20 .

[Joy Divison]

No, at least according to Sten.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Sten's mission was to see what a Blight was like. To me his mission might have been the Qunari trying to figure out if they should have Grey Wardens in their country to combat a future threat. So they wouldn't have Wardens yet but they may in the future.

[Kwanzaabot]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Unlikely. The Qunari do not have a treaty with the Grey Wardens and the last widespread Blight came before their arrival into Thedas. Being a Grey Warden would require prioritizing the battle against the darkspawn above everything and being politically neutral to to all including the Qun.

Yeah, that's what I figured. But that doesn't rule out Tal-Vashoth, and who knows, maybe there are Qunari specifically groomed to fight Darkspawn? There's plenty of Ogres around (probably even more in Par Vollen), so somebody would have to kill them.

[xiiFezz]

Tal-Vashoth and Arishok weren't quite welcome in Free Marches and with all the Qunari i've spoke to have seem to be very devoted to the qun i doubt they would even care unless the Blight reached Par Vollen or atleast generally close to there.

[TheJediSaint]

Well, I would like to point out that the Qunari in Thedas are actually colonists. They came from across the Northern Ocean and, according to the lore, have not had contact with their original homeland for two hundred years. So it does make one wonder what happened to the original Qunari homeland.

[Kwanzaabot]

xiiFezz wrote...

Tal-Vashoth and Arishok weren't quite welcome in Free Marches and with all the Qunari i've spoke to have seem to be very devoted to the qun i doubt they would even care unless the Blight reached Par Vollen or atleast generally close to there.

I don't know why being devoted to the Qun means they wouldn't care.

Monsters regularly kidnap and rape their women to turn into Ogre-making Broodmothers. That's something they should care about a lot.

[Davillo]

I'm sure ther is at least one Kossith who was not born in Qunari religion who happened to be recruited by GW's. Qunari GW I doubt it at least now but a Kossith one I'm pretty sure there was.

[TheCreeper]

They respect The Grey Wardens but the only ones I could imagine joining them would be a Tal-Vashoth, or a Kossith born outside the qun (does that have it's own term?)

Modifié par TheCreeper, 14 octobre 2011 - 02:38 .

[TheJediSaint]

Kwanzaabot wrote...

xiiFezz wrote...

Tal-Vashoth and Arishok weren't quite welcome in Free Marches and with all the Qunari i've spoke to have seem to be very devoted to the qun i doubt they would even care unless the Blight reached Par Vollen or atleast generally close to there.

I don't know why being devoted to the Qun means they wouldn't care.

Monsters regularly kidnap and rape their women to turn into Ogre-making Broodmothers. That's something they should care about a lot.

I suspect from the Qunari point of view, having never dealt with Blights or Archdemons before, they never really needed to have dedicated force like the Grey Wardens.  When you take into consideration that Qunari are eight feet tall and have cannons, I doubt they have much trouble with typical darkspawn.  

[TEWR]

Most Tal-Vashoth turn to a life of banditry. We've only met one that didn't, and that's Maraas. I'm personally hoping he becomes a companion later on.

[xiiFezz]

Kwanzaabot wrote...

xiiFezz wrote...

Tal-Vashoth and Arishok weren't quite welcome in Free Marches and with all the Qunari i've spoke to have seem to be very devoted to the qun i doubt they would even care unless the Blight reached Par Vollen or atleast generally close to there.

I don't know why being devoted to the Qun means they wouldn't care.

Monsters regularly kidnap and rape their women to turn into Ogre-making Broodmothers. That's something they should care about a lot.

Sorry should of thought about it a little more I'm not sure how many Qunari are outside Par Vollen though and I dont think the Deep Roads run under Par Vollen so I'm not sure its a constant matter to them like the dwarves in Orzammar (Probably Spelled that wrong) .

[Myusha]

Kossith Maybe.
Qunari? Doubt it.

[Foolsfolly]

The qunari waste nothing.

While the Blight certainly threatens them just as much as it does any other race the sacrifice of losing warriors to the Wardens would be too much for the Qunari, I'm sure.

I bet they'd be willing to have some of their members become Wardens if they'd return to the Qun afterward. Also the joining is too similar to blood magic for their tastes, most likely. Taking the evil into their bodies may be seen as the worst of two evils.

Hard to tell to be exact. But I doubt the Wardens and Qunari see eye to eye.

Most Tal-Vashoth turn to a life of banditry. We've only met one that didn't, and that's Maraas. I'm personally hoping he becomes a companion later on.

DA3.

There's no way he won't be a companion in DA3. They made Merrill and Isabela from Origins into full time members. And Maraas is equally a small character but infinitely more interesting than Merrill or Isabela were in Origins.

[TEWR]

DA3.

There's no way he won't be a companion in DA3. They made Merrill and Isabela from Origins into full time members. And Maraas is equally a small character but infinitely more interesting than Merrill or Isabela were in Origins.

That's what I'm thinking too. Well, aside from being more interesting than Merrill. I'd say they're equal in being interesting.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 14 octobre 2011 - 04:01 .

[Foolsfolly]

Also perhaps the Wardens threaten the Qun itself.

They believe, without fail, that everyone has a place in the Qun. And the Qun is perfection. But without the Wardens there's no way to end the Blight. And that means that the Qun isn't perfect.

Maybe I'm wrong. Interesting question.

Perhaps they'd eventually have Warden Qunari if a Blight beats them back. They clearly dislike mages but see the benefit in having them. When pushed against a Blight they may accept their numbers going Warden.... perhaps having large sections of their military undergo the Joining.

Interesting question.

[Foolsfolly]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

DA3.

There's no way he won't be a companion in DA3. They made Merrill and Isabela from Origins into full time members. And Maraas is equally a small character but infinitely more interesting than Merrill or Isabela were in Origins.

That's what I'm thinking too. Well, aside from being more interesting than Merrill. I'd say they're equal in being interesting.

Really? Merrill was just that chick who I'd steal her clothing and staff to sell in Ostagar. She was alright but just a side mage elf chick.

As far as Origins origin companions go I found both dwarf origin companions more interesting (Gorrim was especially great). There was also your city elf cousin Shiani. She was interesting.

I'm not dissing on Merrill, I love Merrill dearly in DA2. I'm glad they brought her back and made extra adorable. But in Origins she was just this dry Keeper's First we had in our party for like 8 minutes.

[TEWR]

Foolsfolly wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

DA3.

There's no way he won't be a companion in DA3. They made Merrill and Isabela from Origins into full time members. And Maraas is equally a small character but infinitely more interesting than Merrill or Isabela were in Origins.

That's what I'm thinking too. Well, aside from being more interesting than Merrill. I'd say they're equal in being interesting.

Really? Merrill was just that chick who I'd steal her clothing and staff to sell in Ostagar. She was alright but just a side mage elf chick.

As far as Origins origin companions go I found both dwarf origin companions more interesting (Gorrim was especially great). There was also your city elf cousin Shiani. She was interesting.

I'm not dissing on Merrill, I love Merrill dearly in DA2. I'm glad they brought her back and made extra adorable. But in Origins she was just this dry Keeper's First we had in our party for like 8 minutes.

Oh in terms of the screen time Merrill got in Origins yes Maraas is definitely infinitely more interesting. But in terms of Merrill completely he's about equal.

[Augustei]

The Qunari had no idea what the blight was in DAO so I doubt they have wardens

[Tommyspa]

I'm not sure Maraas will be a companion based on his statement of not getting involved with people with "causes" in Act 3 when Hawke tries to get him to help as a noble. Though sure, he could simply change his mind. I'm sure the hero of DA3 will have a cause.

[Andraste_Reborn]

It doesn't seem as though there were any Kossith Wardens at the time of DAO. In the decade since, they could have recruited some - especially among the Tal'Vashoth. I think it's conceivable that a Qunari could join the order. Fighting darkspawn is a worthy and important role, especially if they some day threatened Par Vollen.

Unless the Joining turns out to be fatal to Kossith (and I see no reason it would be - they seem to make adequate Brood Mothers) I expect we'll see horned giant Wardens sooner or later.

[Foolsfolly]

XxDeonxX wrote...

The Qunari had no idea what the blight was in DAO so I doubt they have wardens

There were Ogres seen in the first Blight.

They must know what a Blight is. Why did the Arishok send people to see what the Blight is? I don't know. Maybe it's something abstract or retcon-y.

[Quatre]

Kwanzaabot wrote...

So, just a completely random thought I had, but I was wondering why it is that you see plenty of human, elven and dwarven Grey Wardens, but I'm yet to hear of a single Qunari Grey Warden. (Sure, Sten fought Darkspawn, but somehow I doubt he would've done it if it wasn't in his best interest to escape the Blight)

Why is this? Is it simply because there hasn't been the right opportunity to show one in-game (or in a novel), or is it that the whole idea of "A place for everything and everything in its place" that the Qun seems to be all about, makes it difficult to recruit a Qunari to fight Darkspawn, when they already have a job to do?

The Dragon Age RPG (Set 2) mentions Tal'Vashoth who joined the Grey Wardens.

Modifié par Quatre04, 14 octobre 2011 - 12:18 .

[KJandrew]

Foolsfolly wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

The Qunari had no idea what the blight was in DAO so I doubt they have wardens

There were Ogres seen in the first Blight.

They must know what a Blight is. Why did the Arishok send people to see what the Blight is? I don't know. Maybe it's something abstract or retcon-y.

I think they know what Darkspawn are but they don't know what a blight is or the threat it poses. Seeing as the only info they had on it was the stories of the Rivani, who had never been at the the centre of a blight.