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#101
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Carfax wrote...

And like I said, it's not just simply tradition.  It came about due to necessity and because it was logical.

No, it's just tradition. Warrior women proves it was just tradition. During the Vietnam war, vietnamese women fought side by side with their male counterpars and won.

Why send women to War, when men make better soldiers generally speaking?

Because they want to and are good at war. Again, this depends on the individual, not on the sex.

Why send women to War when their chances of survival are less than that of men?

Highly trained women's chances of survival are superior to those of weak and dumb men. Again, this is an individual issue, it depends on each individual case. Nothing to do with the sexes per se.

Why send women to War, when they give birth to children, which requires 9 months and at least a year of weaning afterwards?

Because they want to go to war and are good at it.

A lot may be, but not most.  You want to speak of the exceptions, but the exceptions are not the rule.

Thanks for acknowledging that. So we agree then that the partner who is more able to deal with the situation should be the one going to see what happened. Or maybe both could go, that seems to be a novel idea. Not related to sexes. The idea that the man should always be the one who go see what happened is illogical.

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[quote]Pordis Shepard wrote...
Well I'm assuming that a police officer also has training on when to engage , as opposed to my hypothetical english teacher's training on dangling participles.

OK if your unarmed wife is assaulted by a 230lb man, what do you think would happen? 

[quote]I don't believe in such narrow gender roles or definitions.[/quote]

Well, thats the new politically correct way of thinking.  Of course, political correctness and the truth usually don't coincide with each other.

To understand gender roles, all one has to do is look at human history with an honest eye..

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Carfax wrote...

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Case in point, no known Society has ever depended or relied on women for their protection....not even one. 


Incorrect. There are stories among the Native American tribes of North America of women's warrior societies. Women cannot fight like a man but women have their own abiltiies. Namely horsemanship. Women and men are gender roles. Each with their own respective abilities. Thus, how women would war would be diffferent from a mans.

Modifié par Mei Mei, 14 octobre 2011 - 09:52 .


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Nyoka wrote...

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That woman is from an Army that hasn't fought a real war since 1945. and barely has enough willing recruits.

True, also irrelevant.

as to the later.

They aren't men, only cannon fodder fit for the slaughter.

They are men. I'm sorry if the fact that they are men upsets you to the point of denying reality.



Not a mute point on the battle field, they will only be caputerd and raped. (Yes you have rules on such, but look around how many of those conventions are fallowed?) That is the way of War son. Nevermind in todays world the Western forces basic training in praticular for infantry is a joke, while Eastern forces still train with live ammo and brutality that is nearly equal to a real war. So while the Dutch soldier or American may get his rights and stress guard, the Spetsnaz is getting machine gun rounds fired past his head, and crawling in literal pools of blood....well what will such a soldier do to a female that has the nerve to wear uniform or dare to fight him? Its rather simple.

In Fact in us Military women run a shorter corse in basic, do less fitness training and are rotated out of units in far faster norms than the male counterpart, as rape is panademic in Military units (in fact its reported at %40 versus invistigations that hold the view of it being as high as %80, praticularly the infantry ( awoman in uniform runs a 10 times greater chance of being raped while in uniform than as a civilian). Women however do not report it for the most given threats of death from the stonger more aggressive male counter part, of peer preassure to "protect the honor of the unit" and this is not just an American problem.
 
But it is clear from those statistics they clearly can not resist......uhh "physical" aggression. The only reason for the growth in numbers among them is political bull ****, and lastly the sad state of the modern urbanized western male.

In the nations where these problems arn't rampant, these women stand in base facilities, or in all female units, reserve, or guard forces, as is the case with the IDF, JSDF, PLA-AF-N-M-armed police. The Russian MVD, boardguards, and the Army.

And no, no they arn't, it takes more than the dangelly bits to make a man. They are worth less and scum for the most, who's best purpose is to serve as human shields to more able soldiers. Then again I don't connect on the Human Element as you do, and can see them as being less than ideal if needed in a military context.

In fact in real military units the guy walking point is ment to die first and tends to be who the squad leader hates. So its not so strange to think that way.

Anyways this is reaching temp ban and topic lock region. So yeah I'll leave it be.


As an edit to women in the armed services, I fully support them in support roles or manning defenses, but not in front line infantry units. Hell I even support them in the Airforce as combat pilots, or snipers in the Army. Mainly as the propaganda risks are light, as a person thats in a bad way in those units won't survive to be captured.

And in the defense role if they are threatend and important homeland defenses, you've lost or will need to call up your whole population anyways.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 14 octobre 2011 - 09:58 .


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No real-world political discussions, please. Thank you.

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