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[AlexXIV]

Taritu wrote...

Anyroad2 wrote...


Tallis is shown throughout MotA to be a very skilled, very quick and stealty assasin. Chances are if Hawke tried to take the scroll from her, shed either kill or cripple him, or escape. Taking physical action against her probably would have been pointless.

Uh, no.  That one fails completely.  I don't know about your Hawke, but my assassin duelist rogue is not going to lose a fight with Tallis, nor os my mage, or my warrior.  The one thing that Hawke is unquestionably good at, is killing things.  He or she is clearly one of the most dangerous people around.

Hawke my be ineffectual in certain respects, but he/she is so far from incompetent at combat that it isn't even in question.  As sarcastic Hawke said to someone about to attack her, "I made my reputation carving my way through Kirkwall, and you're going to attack me?"

Fighting Hawke is suicide.

That said, while I get what Bioware was trying to accomplish with Hawke "sometimes life sucks and no matter what you do can't make it better" it does get old, and it's not what was sold in the advertising campaign.  I didn't realize I was going to be playing a tragic hero, where everything she touched turned to crap.  A bit more balance would be nice.

The problem of Bioware is in my opinion that they seperate gameplay and story too much. As if it doesn't have anything to do with each other. So basically to get the story to make sense you have to disregard most of the gameplay. Fighting Hawke is not suicide and Hawke can't kill a dozen veteran fighters at once. He couldn't stop Cullen from taking his sister to the Gallows, he couldn't protect his mother from a serial killer, he couldn't save his brother from an Ogre. He's failing alot actually, and that he didn't get killed until the end was probably a matter of luck.

[TEWR]

Taritu wrote...

Anyroad2 wrote...


Tallis is shown throughout MotA to be a very skilled, very quick and stealty assasin. Chances are if Hawke tried to take the scroll from her, shed either kill or cripple him, or escape. Taking physical action against her probably would have been pointless.

Uh, no.  That one fails completely.  I don't know about your Hawke, but my assassin duelist rogue is not going to lose a fight with Tallis, nor os my mage, or my warrior.  The one thing that Hawke is unquestionably good at, is killing things.  He or she is clearly one of the most dangerous people around.

Hawke my be ineffectual in certain respects, but he/she is so far from incompetent at combat that it isn't even in question.  As sarcastic Hawke said to someone about to attack her, "I made my reputation carving my way through Kirkwall, and you're going to attack me?"

Fighting Hawke is suicide.

That said, while I get what Bioware was trying to accomplish with Hawke "sometimes life sucks and no matter what you do can't make it better" it does get old, and it's not what was sold in the advertising campaign.  I didn't realize I was going to be playing a tragic hero, where everything she touched turned to crap.  A bit more balance would be nice.

I don't think Hawke should've been able to kill Tallis or that Tallis should've fought Hawke. I think Tallis should've just fought him long enough to allow for her to escape, or maybe have her eat the scroll, or have a bunch of Qunari come to take her back because she went on an unsanctioned Qunari mission.

I think it would actually be awesome if the player got to fight Tallis by choosing that option and she eventually does something that leaves Hawke unable to attack (maybe blinds him or stuns him or something) and then she runs away.

A 1-on-1 duel with Tallis would've been awesome. But she'd need more health to be an actual boss, so the game could make it so that she has the same amount of health as the Arishok (post-patches) but all of her abilities and whatnot.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 15 octobre 2011 - 12:43 .

[Sabariel]

Hawke: Give me the scroll, Tallis.
Tallis: No.
Hawke: Okay.
Me: Ffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-!!!!!!

[AlexXIV]

Sabariel wrote...

Hawke: Give me the scroll, Tallis.
Tallis: No.
Hawke: Okay.
Me: Ffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-!!!!!!

It's a pattern.

Meredith: Help me kill the mages.
Hawke: Your war is not my business.
Meredith: You have to choose a side.
Hawke: Oh - ok.
Me: *facepalm*

Actually, another.

Hawke: Petrice, I am going to kill you now.
Petrice: Good one Hawke, I'll laugh about it later.
Hawke: *pouts*
Me *pouts*

Modifié par AlexXIV, 15 octobre 2011 - 12:53 .

[ThePasserby]

It'll make more sense for Hawke to be given the option to attempt to grab the scroll and even fight Tallis for it. All my Hawkes kill Qunari with relish as they are seen as threats to Thedas. Bioware could have given players the satisfaction of having Hawke successfully gain possession of the scroll without killing Tallis. And if Bioware wants to have a Qunari invasion in the future, having the list isn't going to critically damage their strategic plans as they are bound to have back up plans.

So all in all, players get to feel that at least in this DLC, they have accomplished something in the form of forcing the Qunari to alter their plans, or made some progress by slowing down the Qunari, while Bioware would still have the option of having their Qunari war.

To have Hawke stand there passively while the scroll slips from his fingers only reminds the player just how helpless he is in just about everything he does.

[Shamajotsi]

Okay, serious question, what did you expect when Tallis told you "Lord Prosper has something which could be used against the Qun and which will have dire consequences for my people" - and you actually agreed to help? What was so serious that she resorted to the one who killed the Arishok, but wasn't as serious, as, say, the names of spies?

[TheJediSaint]

Shamajotsi wrote...

Okay, serious question, what did you expect when Tallis told you "Lord Prosper has something which could be used against the Qun and which will have dire consequences for my people" - and you actually agreed to help? What was so serious that she resorted to the one who killed the Arishok, but wasn't as serious, as, say, the names of spies?

I think she explained that Hawke was the only one who had an invite who was not a personal friend of the Duke. 

[TEWR]

TheJediSaint wrote...

Shamajotsi wrote...

Okay, serious question, what did you expect when Tallis told you "Lord Prosper has something which could be used against the Qun and which will have dire consequences for my people" - and you actually agreed to help? What was so serious that she resorted to the one who killed the Arishok, but wasn't as serious, as, say, the names of spies?

I think she explained that Hawke was the only one who had an invite who was not a personal friend of the Duke. 

she did. She also actually said Shamajotsi "The Duke has something which he has no right to possess" and doesn't reveal anything about what Salit was planning to do until much later, and even then she only gives the full scoop at the very end of the DLC.

[TheJediSaint]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

TheJediSaint wrote...

Shamajotsi wrote...

Okay, serious question, what did you expect when Tallis told you "Lord Prosper has something which could be used against the Qun and which will have dire consequences for my people" - and you actually agreed to help? What was so serious that she resorted to the one who killed the Arishok, but wasn't as serious, as, say, the names of spies?

I think she explained that Hawke was the only one who had an invite who was not a personal friend of the Duke. 

she did. She also actually said Shamajotsi "The Duke has something which he has no right to possess" and doesn't reveal anything about what Salit was planning to do until much later, and even then she only gives the full scoop at the very end of the DLC.

I'm not sure if it's different if you're not declared basalit-an by the Arishok, but I got the distinct impression that the Qunari don't really have any hard feelings for Hawke killing the Arishok.

[TEWR]

TheJediSaint wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

TheJediSaint wrote...

Shamajotsi wrote...

Okay, serious question, what did you expect when Tallis told you "Lord Prosper has something which could be used against the Qun and which will have dire consequences for my people" - and you actually agreed to help? What was so serious that she resorted to the one who killed the Arishok, but wasn't as serious, as, say, the names of spies?

I think she explained that Hawke was the only one who had an invite who was not a personal friend of the Duke. 

she did. She also actually said Shamajotsi "The Duke has something which he has no right to possess" and doesn't reveal anything about what Salit was planning to do until much later, and even then she only gives the full scoop at the very end of the DLC.

I'm not sure if it's different if you're not declared basalit-an by the Arishok, but I got the distinct impression that the Qunari don't really have any hard feelings for Hawke killing the Arishok.

I'm not sure either. At least for a basalit-an, they see it as something the Qun demanded and were fine with it. It was a part of the Qun philosophy, so no grudges were held.

[Foolsfolly]

Fauxnormal wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I wouldn't be bothered so much if my Hawke could *try* not to fail. (call out Larius on being possessed just for him to get away, try to get the scroll just for elf chick to run away).

But as it is. Meh.

Stop. Metagaming.

Just because YOU, the PLAYER, have the suspcion that Larius was possessed IN NO WAY means that Hawke had any way of knowing, proving, or even guessing at it. Yes, okay, so to make you supa-happy, the game could have given you the option to kill Larius.

But honestly? There's no in-game reason to do so unless you're a jerk. because, IN GAME, Hawke has no way to prove or know that Larius is possessed. None.

Larius is crazy, rambles, and speaks in a very distinct manner.... Cory speaks in a very distinct manner.

Cory smiles before Hawke kills them, then Larius speaks normal and seems a touch dazed, then speaks in the exact same manner in which Cory speaks before disappearing never to be seen again.

There's enough information there for Hawke to assume Cory's possessed Larius. I mean that's all we know too and we've all agreed that the guy's possessed.

It's entirely harder to say the Warden chick was possessed. Her behavior isn't as cut and dried as Larius's behavior. But there are more subtle things going on there, nothing I believe would cause Hawke to cut her down on the spot. But Larius? Hawke would have to be too busy checking out their new armor to notice Larius is now clearly behaving like Cory.

[naledgeborn]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Larius is crazy, rambles, and speaks in a very distinct manner.... Cory speaks in a very distinct manner.

Cory smiles before Hawke kills them, then Larius speaks normal and seems a touch dazed, then speaks in the exact same manner in which Cory speaks before disappearing never to be seen again.

There's enough information there for Hawke to assume Cory's possessed Larius. I mean that's all we know too and we've all agreed that the guy's possessed.

It's entirely harder to say the Warden chick was possessed. Her behavior isn't as cut and dried as Larius's behavior. But there are more subtle things going on there, nothing I believe would cause Hawke to cut her down on the spot. But Larius? Hawke would have to be too busy checking out their new armor to notice Larius is now clearly behaving like Cory.

Which is exactly why I sided with Janeka during the second confrontation. Her walking away instead of Larius makes Hawke save face.

[TEWR]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I wouldn't be bothered so much if my Hawke could *try* not to fail. (call out Larius on being possessed just for him to get away, try to get the scroll just for elf chick to run away).

But as it is. Meh.

Stop. Metagaming.

Just because YOU, the PLAYER, have the suspcion that Larius was possessed IN NO WAY means that Hawke had any way of knowing, proving, or even guessing at it. Yes, okay, so to make you supa-happy, the game could have given you the option to kill Larius.

But honestly? There's no in-game reason to do so unless you're a jerk. because, IN GAME, Hawke has no way to prove or know that Larius is possessed. None.

Larius is crazy, rambles, and speaks in a very distinct manner.... Cory speaks in a very distinct manner.

Cory smiles before Hawke kills them, then Larius speaks normal and seems a touch dazed, then speaks in the exact same manner in which Cory speaks before disappearing never to be seen again.

There's enough information there for Hawke to assume Cory's possessed Larius. I mean that's all we know too and we've all agreed that the guy's possessed.

It's entirely harder to say the Warden chick was possessed. Her behavior isn't as cut and dried as Larius's behavior. But there are more subtle things going on there, nothing I believe would cause Hawke to cut her down on the spot. But Larius? Hawke would have to be too busy checking out their new armor to notice Larius is now clearly behaving like Cory.

Larius was actually really lucid prior to the battle with only a few instances of rambling. Hawke isn't able to see Larius stumbling and neither Hawke nor any of the Wardens have ever heard of a Darkspawn being able to switch bodies. Only Archdemons are known to do that, and in the process both souls perish if the Archdemon's soul goes to a body with another soul.

Even if Hawke or any Warden with him thought Corypheus' soul was bounced over to Larius the Fast, Crazy, Blighted, Mangy Mongoose he might think that because it was a Darkspawn -- who isn't as powerful as an Archdemon -- Larius' soul was able to beat it and thus came out for the better.

what the player knows and what Hawke knows aren't the same thing. Besides, if I just met a Tevinter Magister who was turned into a Darkspawn and he was speaking in a funny way, I know I'd imitate him just because he was speaking funny. But that's more about me finding him funny and awesome and not me trying to say that's why Larius spoke that way.

Here's hoping Corypheus swaps bodies into a mindless Darkspawn emissary and morphs it to his old appearance with his old VA!

[Anyroad2]

Taritu wrote...

Anyroad2 wrote...


Tallis is shown throughout MotA to be a very skilled, very quick and stealty assasin. Chances are if Hawke tried to take the scroll from her, shed either kill or cripple him, or escape. Taking physical action against her probably would have been pointless.

Uh, no.  That one fails completely.  I don't know about your Hawke, but my assassin duelist rogue is not going to lose a fight with Tallis, nor os my mage, or my warrior.  The one thing that Hawke is unquestionably good at, is killing things.  He or she is clearly one of the most dangerous people around.

Yeah yeah. My Hawke is killer too, but I got the feeling that Tallis knows how to survive, probably more than anything else. I mean, shes an assasin for the strongest (or most feared) millitary force in Thedas, shes got to be tough  even if the gameplay didnt reflect that. Thats what I was talking about back when I made that post.

It would have been amazing if there was an option to try to take the scroll from Tallis (a cutscene, a mock 1v1 battle), but Bioware didnt do that. Its a shame.

[Foolsfolly]

Larius was actually really lucid prior to the battle with only a few instances of rambling. Hawke isn't able to see Larius stumbling and neither Hawke nor any of the Wardens have ever heard of a Darkspawn being able to switch bodies. Only Archdemons are known to do that, and in the process both souls perish if the Archdemon's soul goes to a body with another soul.

I know that. Hawke doesn't. But it doesn't matter something really weird and different just happened. And evidence, what little there is, seems to point to possession somehow. Just because Hawke doesn't know that archdemons jump to tainted bodies (I guess Hawke's sibling could know that by then) doesn't mean that possession should be out of Hawke's mind. Weirdly, even Hawke's face seems suspicious but says does nothing.

It's a different kind of possession than that of the archdemon's jumping (although similar by the merit that Cory only jumps into Wardens, there's a story here somewhere that we've seen the tip of).

Even if Hawke or any Warden with him thought Corypheus' soul was bounced over to Larius the Fast, Crazy, Blighted, Mangy Mongoose he might think that because it was a Darkspawn -- who isn't as powerful as an Archdemon -- Larius' soul was able to beat it and thus came out for the better.

I have nothing but the manner in which the guy speaks to say this but...

I think Larius lost a battle of wills with Cory. He sounded... dazed but clear minded at first. Hawke comments on this and he tells a convincing enough lie (and it sounds like the truth to someone who knows nothing of Wardens). Then Larius starts talking exactly like Cory does with his last line, his voice even sounds a little more like Cory's.

I think Larius is gone. And from that point on it's Cory in that man's skin. Whether this possession is similar to a demonic/spiritual possession or like an archdemon filling the vessels of darkspawn I guess we'll find out later.

Food for thought, Flemeth possesses her daughters...

[TEWR]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Larius was actually really lucid prior to the battle with only a few instances of rambling. Hawke isn't able to see Larius stumbling and neither Hawke nor any of the Wardens have ever heard of a Darkspawn being able to switch bodies. Only Archdemons are known to do that, and in the process both souls perish if the Archdemon's soul goes to a body with another soul.

I know that. Hawke doesn't. But it doesn't matter something really weird and different just happened. And evidence, what little there is, seems to point to possession somehow. Just because Hawke doesn't know that archdemons jump to tainted bodies (I guess Hawke's sibling could know that by then) doesn't mean that possession should be out of Hawke's mind. Weirdly, even Hawke's face seems suspicious but says does nothing.

It's a different kind of possession than that of the archdemon's jumping (although similar by the merit that Cory only jumps into Wardens, there's a story here somewhere that we've seen the tip of).

Even if Hawke or any Warden with him thought Corypheus' soul was bounced over to Larius the Fast, Crazy, Blighted, Mangy Mongoose he might think that because it was a Darkspawn -- who isn't as powerful as an Archdemon -- Larius' soul was able to beat it and thus came out for the better.

I have nothing but the manner in which the guy speaks to say this but...

I think Larius lost a battle of wills with Cory. He sounded... dazed but clear minded at first. Hawke comments on this and he tells a convincing enough lie (and it sounds like the truth to someone who knows nothing of Wardens). Then Larius starts talking exactly like Cory does with his last line, his voice even sounds a little more like Cory's.

I think Larius is gone. And from that point on it's Cory in that man's skin. Whether this possession is similar to a demonic/spiritual possession or like an archdemon filling the vessels of darkspawn I guess we'll find out later.

Food for thought, Flemeth possesses her daughters...

But has Hawke ever heard of anything that wasn't a Spirit (whether benign or demonic) possessing a body? I doubt it.

And I too subscribe to the theory of the Warden Hawke sided with being possessed, but that's because it's just made obvious to us. When I was talking about them thinking Larius may have won if they knew he swapped bodies, it was just me trying to offer a plausible thought process that Hawke was having.

I wouldn't say Larius is permanently gone. Perhaps he's like Xehanort (a combination of Terra and Master Xehanort) from the Kingdom hearts series. To make a long story about that series' antagonist short, here's what it is:

Master Xehanort (voiced by Leonard Nimoy. Oh and he isn't Xehanort) wants to possess a body. But in order to do that, he needs someone close to the darkness. Terra is a Keyblade Warrior who is moving ever so closely to the darkness despite his good intentions. Eventually, Terra fights his mentor and father figure Master Eraqus (voiced by Mark Hamill) and his mentor dies, but not before Eraqus' essence goes into Terra. Later on things happen and Master Xehanort succeeds in possessing Terra, but Terra's soul is fighting against Master Xehanort's and thus neither one is in complete control of the body.

As a result, Xehanort is born. He has no memory of who he is and he doesn't know what's happening.

Anyway, what I'm saying is that maybe Larius' soul is dormant inside his body and Corypheus may jump to a Darkspawn and morph back to his original self, and Larius will come to and remember everything up until the possession. Maybe he'll be cured of the Blight disease? Wouldn't that be something.

[Heimdall]

Consider that Hawke has little knowledge of darkspawn beyond that they are dangerous and the taint is usually poisonous. It's a bit of a jump for Hawke to assume Larius was possessed by Cory. Hawke doesn't even fully understand the effects of the taint on an aging Warden. As for my Hawke, she thought Larius' lucidity was caused by the removal of Cory's calling through the taint.Sh e has no reason to believe Cory is even capable of possessing someone.

Also, I actually didn't think Larius' speech patterns were so obviously similar to Cory's.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 15 octobre 2011 - 04:03 .

[b09boy]

Is it really much more obvious to us than it is to Hawke? We know about the archdemon possession bit, but that works quite a bit differently than what we witnessed with Cory, in the same manner that demonic possession is different. Hell, we never even witnessed what an archdemon possession looked like considering the soul is destroyed as soon as it enters a Warden. Everything else that we saw and know, Hawke should see and know as well.

[Myusha]

I'm not doing your little job Javaris.
I'm not helping Ketojan leave the city.
I'm not going to give Isabela the tome.
I'm not going to see my mother die.
I'm not going to let you have that list Tallis.

JUST KIDDING. : D

[Foolsfolly]

Also, I actually didn't think Larius' speech patterns were so obviously similar to Cory's.

Really? That freedom line doesn't sound exactly like something Cory would say? I mean that line's what sealed it for me the first time I played it. I was suspicious, cautious even... and then he said that last bit of dialogue and I said, "Goddamnit, he's still alive and I'm letting him go!"

But has Hawke ever heard of anything that wasn't a Spirit (whether benign or demonic) possessing a body? I doubt it.

I doubt it too. But the simple fact that most people agree that somehow Cory possessed these people makes it obvious. I mean it is obvious. I can't tell you how Cory did it or if it's like an archdemon possession or a spirit possession (something about going to the Golden City could have made him partial Fade creatures now or some such unprecedented thing).

Regardless of how or experience it's obvious that the guy was possessed. And anyone's complaint about just letting Hawke stand there ignorant is a rather valid complaint. After all it's not like Hawke had any idea that hitting a Profane with a sword would kill a living stone... but it's worth trying.

Hawke's either really stupid (which I don't get from Hawke) or the game forces Hawke to do nothing out of poor plotting.

I get the position BioWare was in. If they had you kill Cory then the Warden did something really really subtle then everyone would be up in arms when Cory shows up in DA3. People will be screaming that it's Leliana all over again.

But off the top of my head a simple accusation option wouldn't change the ending at all. You click that option, Cory smiles or says thank you and jumps over the railing. Hawke and company rush forward and we cut to Varric and Cassandra. Varric says something about how they searched the prison for the Warden/Cory but they couldn't find any trace of the thing. And eventually had to head back to Kirkwall.

It ultimately changes nothing. Cory's still out there planning something. The player knows the Warden's possessed (which we know now anyway). The difference is that Hawke knows. That Hawke tried to stop Cory. ...maybe that where Hawke goes when they disappear after DA2. After seeing the fallout of finding the idol Hawke decides to hunt down another terrible ancient evil they unearthed on accident.

It's a small change that would have made the ending of the DLC a little better. As is it's not a bad DLC. I like it a lot. And I was a little peeved at the obvious Hawke-ness of the situation (powerless to do anything) it's not some unforgivable sin.

I'm largely talking because it's fun to do so. I think an accusation would have been an improvement but the thing wasn't completely broken before.

But I will say, if there's a third DLC I hope it has multiple endings. There's nothing wrong with a self-contained story with no massive impact on the future entries in the series. Where it just focuses on player choice and consequence within that story.

Modifié par Foolsfolly, 15 octobre 2011 - 05:50 .

[Joy Divison]

I don't want Hawke to save the world.

I'll accept Hawke isn't in the position/doesn't have enough influence to alter mage-templar war.

I would, however, like to have been given the illusion I might have been able to change stuff with moderately intelligent options and meaningful choices that did impact HOW the mage-templar war broke out.

I know I can only speak for myself, but I'm pretty sure this is the thrust of the "Hawke is weak/incompetent/stupid threads.

[Poquimo]

I sorta enjoy Hawke being the "reluctant" hero of sorts. I play a sarcastic Hawke, so a lot of the time she is just as "hell if i care" about the situation and willing to accept things as they come as the game kind of makes you have to.

It's not very heroic and super self-sacrificing and noble like the Warden's quest, but then again DA2 was suppose to just be "How Hawke got mixed up in all this bsn" and maybe DA3 will have the more epic feeling storyline? I hope so at least.

[Kaiser Shepard]

TheCreeper wrote...

I was unaware causing a civil war in the middle of a blight and selling elves to tevinter slavers (among other things) was heroic.

Means to an end. What it comes down to is that at the end of day at least Loghain tried to fix what he thought was wrong with Ferelden, and came pretty damn close to doing so.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 15 octobre 2011 - 06:28 .

[Sharn01]

Anyroad2 wrote...

Taritu wrote...

Anyroad2 wrote...


Tallis is shown throughout MotA to be a very skilled, very quick and stealty assasin. Chances are if Hawke tried to take the scroll from her, shed either kill or cripple him, or escape. Taking physical action against her probably would have been pointless.

Uh, no.  That one fails completely.  I don't know about your Hawke, but my assassin duelist rogue is not going to lose a fight with Tallis, nor os my mage, or my warrior.  The one thing that Hawke is unquestionably good at, is killing things.  He or she is clearly one of the most dangerous people around.

Yeah yeah. My Hawke is killer too, but I got the feeling that Tallis knows how to survive, probably more than anything else. I mean, shes an assasin for the strongest (or most feared) millitary force in Thedas, shes got to be tough  even if the gameplay didnt reflect that. Thats what I was talking about back when I made that post.

It would have been amazing if there was an option to try to take the scroll from Tallis (a cutscene, a mock 1v1 battle), but Bioware didnt do that. Its a shame.

I would not have had a problem with her escaping, I dont think she would have just killed Hawke though, killing is the one thing Hawke is better then eveyone at.  A big no to the Arishok battle also, I hated that duel more then any other part of the game, in regards to gameplay mechanic's.  The whole goal was to run away and attack when your abilities came off cooldown.

It wasnt a big deal for me since I walked away from Tallis on my kept playthrough and never learned what was on the scroll, even if you find out its a hell of a lot better then Merideth getting in your face telling you how she is going to go get her templars and attack and having Hawke just stand there and let her walk away instead of ending the whole fiasco right then and there.

My only big complaint in dialogue for Hawke with Tallis was when she was talking up how great the Qun was, sarcastic Hawke saying something to the effect of "Your right Tallis, the Qun tries to make a better life for everyone, having my tongue cut out, my mouth sewn shut and being led around on a leash by someone who has the authority to kill me on a whim sounds like a much better life then the one I have.", would have made my day.

The Qunari society is essentially communism, during their childhood, everyone,outside of mages, is assigned a task that they may or may not be best suited to do, and that is the only job they will ever do for the rest of their lives, and no matter how much or how little they contribute, they all have the same lifestyle.  Its probably pretty appealing to elves as they are oppressed to the point that its nearly impossible to get ahead in the world, but its a pretty bum deal for everyone else.  Anyone who is not willing to submit is killed or made into mindless slaves, unless they can manage to escape and flee elsewhere, so the way they enforce the Qun is pretty similer as well, the only major difference is they use religion to help enforce their political and social structure, which is a smart move on the part of whoever started the society.

Modifié par Sharn01, 15 octobre 2011 - 07:19 .

[DrFumb1ezX]

Hi folks.
I just spent 2 hours reading the entirety of the 16 pages of this particular forum.
And all I can say is...
WHAT. THE. F*CK.

http://tvtropes.org/...hewbaccaDefense

Ya see that link right there? Above this sentence? THAT'S what some of you are pulling. And guess what? YOU DON'T NEED TO. There have been perfectly made points above as to why Hawke is ineffectual or not, but some of you devoled into the "You're stupid!" "No, you are!" arguements! Holy crap...
/end rant

So, yeah, how 'bout that weather? Crazy, right?