Anyroad2 wrote...
Nailed it.
It amazes me how many people seem to have missed the point of the entire story of DA2. Frankly, I think thats why a lot of people are upset about this game.
MigoTheGIgo wrote...
What would have happened if the Qunari had not been stopped?
If Hawke had not chosen to aid whomever he/she chooses at the end, the mages would either have been horribly slaugthered, or the battles would have torn Kirkwall utterly apart.
About the Lyrium Idol: Aveline even mentions this. Yes, Hawke got ahead, but the money poured into Kirkwall upsets the balance. Is Hawke really to blame for this?
Hawke is not "just" getting walked over by NPCs. If you consider it, his actions directly influences the lives of thousands. BUT, he does not always succeed; they do not always have the intended consequences. He is not all knowing, or all powerful. But, he/she tries.
About Larius/Janeka. Hawke has little to no knowledge of Archdemons or the taint. If someone is to blame, it is the sibling (if a Grey Warden), or Anders. And even then; Corypheus is something that has either never been encountered before, or only been encountered once before. And he is certainly something that is barely, if at all, understood. What we know, and what Hawke knows, is very, very different measures, since we had the option of playing through the Grey Warden experience in Origins.
Lady_Aescwyn wrote...
Well, damn. There goes all my hopes of Hawke being able to make up for all the mistakes in DA2.Wulfram wrote...
Lady_Aescwyn wrote...
I'm thinking that, come Dragon age 3, Hawke will take up the mantle of the Hero
Hawke isn't going to be the protagonist in DA3.
I'ma littlea lot late on information about DA3. I need to go find more information. >__>
No. Scratch that. I need to get a life.
AtreiyaN7 wrote...
Really? I don't find the character particularly inept. Ineptitude would imply being a complete failure at accomplishing one's tasks/goals. Hawke accomplished his/her goals.
ThePasserby wrote...
Giubba1985 wrote...
Can i remember you that grey warden keep quite secretive all that regard joining their order and the way they are able to slay archdeamon.?
So Hawke without knowing anything about the process of trasmigration of "soul" that is the basic concept of killing an archdeamon should have know that killing a creature that is not even recognizable as a darkspawn could led to the possession of an infected GW ?
I didn't know that clairvoyance was a spell included in the game
And Hawke doesn't sense anything fishy about the changed demeanors of Janeka or the addled Warden to follow up on? Just be the credulous Hawke? You need clairvoyance to smell a rat about that?
Сообщение изменено: Anyroad2, 14 Октябрь 2011 - 06:31 .
ThePasserby wrote...
Giubba1985 wrote...
Can i remember you that grey warden keep quite secretive all that regard joining their order and the way they are able to slay archdeamon.?
So Hawke without knowing anything about the process of trasmigration of "soul" that is the basic concept of killing an archdeamon should have know that killing a creature that is not even recognizable as a darkspawn could led to the possession of an infected GW ?
I didn't know that clairvoyance was a spell included in the game
And Hawke doesn't sense anything fishy about the changed demeanors of Janeka or the addled Warden to follow up on? Just be the credulous Hawke? You need clairvoyance to smell a rat about that?
Сообщение изменено: Giubba1985, 14 Октябрь 2011 - 06:37 .
ThePasserby wrote...
You can stop being amzed now. Few need to be explained on the point of the story of DA2. The issue is whether such a premise is FUN.
Giubba1985 wrote...
No why he should?
Hawke doesn't know NOTHING about the magic involved with the grey warden , he doesn't have the basis for formulating that something is fishy.
And i'm basing my assumption on mage Hawke that have at least some solid background on magic, a warrior or rogue Hawke is even more clueless on what these strange behavior you talk about could come from.
hoorayforicecream wrote...
ThePasserby wrote...
You can stop being amzed now. Few need to be explained on the point of the story of DA2. The issue is whether such a premise is FUN.
I don't remember giving you the option to decide what I find fun.
jamesp81 wrote...
Not entirely, that's true. He's far closer to being a normal person than the Warden or Shepard, though. He's very reactive and often not as effective as those other two.
He's got much better snark dialogue though, credit where it's due and all that.
Bingo.jlb524 wrote...
jamesp81 wrote...
Not entirely, that's true. He's far closer to being a normal person than the Warden or Shepard, though. He's very reactive and often not as effective as those other two.
He's got much better snark dialogue though, credit where it's due and all that.
It's not really that Hawke is ordinary...far from it.
People like Hawke as a nice change from Warden/Shepard b/c Hawke doesn't save the world from the big bad thing at the end. Being an extra-ordinary individual doesn't always have to equal saving the world in record time and against impossible odds.
ThePasserby wrote...
hoorayforicecream wrote...
ThePasserby wrote...
You can stop being amzed now. Few need to be explained on the point of the story of DA2. The issue is whether such a premise is FUN.
I don't remember giving you the option to decide what I find fun.
I don't remember talking to you.
jlb524 wrote...
It's not really that Hawke is ordinary...far from it.
People like Hawke as a nice change from Warden/Shepard b/c Hawke doesn't save the world from the big bad thing at the end. Being an extra-ordinary individual doesn't always have to equal saving the world in record time and against impossible odds.
hoorayforicecream wrote...
I have heard of certain tumors causing short term memory loss, as well as a prickly disposition. I hope this is not the case with you, and that you're just irritable because of your bowel infection.
jlb524 wrote...
jamesp81 wrote...
Not entirely, that's true. He's far closer to being a normal person than the Warden or Shepard, though. He's very reactive and often not as effective as those other two.
He's got much better snark dialogue though, credit where it's due and all that.
It's not really that Hawke is ordinary...far from it.
People like Hawke as a nice change from Warden/Shepard b/c Hawke doesn't save the world from the big bad thing at the end. Being an extra-ordinary individual doesn't always have to equal saving the world in record time and against impossible odds.
Anyroad2 wrote...
Lady_Aescwyn wrote...
Hawke is just a (fairly) normal wo/man struggling to stay afloat in the very chaos that the Warden is fighting. The Warden has a mission: Build an army. Stop the Blight. Save the world. Hawke's mission? Survive.
Hawke doen't realize how far-reaching his/her descisions are. That's what surprises Cassandra so much at the end of the game. She wanted someone to blame for everything that has happened and she went into the interrogation of Varric already believing that Hawke did everything s/he did on purpose. When is is revealed that everything was a crazy conga line of unforseen mistakes, Cassandra is clearly distressed because everything she believed was completely wrong.
Nailed it.
It amazes me how many people seem to have missed the point of the entire story of DA2. Frankly, I think thats why a lot of people are upset about this game.
The Grey Nayr wrote...
Most of the players don't even try to understand the parts of the game that they think doesn't make sense.
Dragon Age II is 'Hawke's Series of Unfortunate Events' by Varric Tethras.
People are unfairly critical of the game and it's story.
The Grey Nayr wrote...
People are unfairly critical of the game and it's story.
jlb524 wrote...
People like Hawke as a nice change from Warden/Shepard b/c Hawke doesn't save the world from the big bad thing at the end.
ThePasserby wrote...
AtreiyaN7 wrote...
Really? I don't find the character particularly inept. Ineptitude would imply being a complete failure at accomplishing one's tasks/goals. Hawke accomplished his/her goals.
Really? I guess Hawke's goal was to have his mother murdered and made a walking doll.
I suppose Hawke achieved his goal of escalating the mage-templar conflict too.
And Hawke set his sights on having the chantry blown up and having Kirkwall and other cities burn.
Hawke also set out to be an unwitting agent to free Corypheus.
And most of all, Hawke set his mind to have Tallis escape with the names of Qunari agents and do nothing to stop it.
The Grey Nayr wrote...
Most of the players don't even try to understand the parts of the game that they think doesn't make sense.
Dragon Age II is 'Hawke's Series of Unfortunate Events' by Varric Tethras.
People are unfairly critical of the game and it's story.
Alright. We get it. YOU didn't like the game.ThePasserby wrote...
You can stop being amzed now. Few need to be explained on the point of the story of DA2. The issue is whether such a premise is FUN.
Сообщение изменено: Lady_Aescwyn, 14 Октябрь 2011 - 07:02 .
Anyroad2 wrote...
ThePasserby wrote...
AtreiyaN7 wrote...
Really? I don't find the character particularly inept. Ineptitude would imply being a complete failure at accomplishing one's tasks/goals. Hawke accomplished his/her goals.
Really? I guess Hawke's goal was to have his mother murdered and made a walking doll.
I suppose Hawke achieved his goal of escalating the mage-templar conflict too.
And Hawke set his sights on having the chantry blown up and having Kirkwall and other cities burn.
Hawke also set out to be an unwitting agent to free Corypheus.
And most of all, Hawke set his mind to have Tallis escape with the names of Qunari agents and do nothing to stop it.
Just as its other peoples goal to stop a 60mph collision. Meaning, they might want to stop it, but theres is absolutely nothing they can do about it.
Leandra thinks shes being courted. She doesnt tell Hawke details about it. Hawke only hears about the important detail from Bodahn, once its to late. By the time Hawke is able to take action, the deed is already done. The only way that could have been prevented is if Hawke was obsesivly protective of his mother and kept her caged in the mansion... of if he could see the future.
The Mage/Templar Conflict was again, out of Hawkes hands. He stumbles upon the idol, Bartrand steals it, leaves Hawke and Co for dead. They get out and the dwarf is long gone. A few years later they find out that the idol was sold. Unfortunatley the only person who knows who bought it is Bartrand, whos out of his mind. Varric tells Hawke that hell look into it, seeing as Varric has the best connections in the city when it comes to that sort of thing.
Once Meridith goes mad, people just assume that shes "tightening her grip" on the mages because of the continual attempts of mage rebels (people fleeing the circle, citizens creating an underground mage railroad ect). Its her job to keep that sort of thing under control. No matter who Hawke decides to join at the end, it always leads to a positive outcome for that side:
Templars - The mages are dealt with. The city-wide conflict comes to an end more quickly. Meridith is dealt with.
Mages - Mages, while still suffering losses manage to beat the templars and Meridith. The survivors have their freedom. Mages all over the world start to rise up and fight for their freedom as well.
The Chantry thing happens if Hawke helps or not. This was all Anders. I suppose you could argue that Hawke should have just killed him, but that would be like killing Loghain when you go to Ostagar for the first time. There are some things we just have to deal with for the sake of storytelling.
Hawke was being attacked by the Carta for his blood. He goes to investigate. He gets trapped inside Corypheus' prison. Hes told that Cory is a powerful darkspawn (which are bad) and that he might be the key to stopping Blights forever (which are also bad). Hawke chooses to either kill it, or try and control it to stop the Blights (both are heroic goals). Either way, Hawke has to attack Corypheus. Hawke (or anyone) has no idea of what Corypheus is capable of. The possesion of Jenka or Larius is out of anyones hands.
Tallis is shown throughout MotA to be a very skilled, very quick and stealty assasin. Chances are if Hawke tried to take the scroll from her, shed either kill or cripple him, or escape. Taking physical action against her probably would have been pointless.
Lady_Aescwyn wrote...
Alright. We get it. YOU didn't like the game.
That's YOUR opinion and I respect that.
That doesn't mean it's not fun and that other people can't like it. I liked it just fine. Sure, it could have used a lot more time in development, but I still enjoyed it. I elso enjoy being tied up, gagged and beaten, but I know that's not everyone's cup of tea. Opinions vary. That doesn't mean you should troll the forums poo-pooing everyone who likes something you don't.
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