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[ev0lt]

I cringed evertime she opened her mouth and was very disappointed I could not kill her. Her dialouge was horrible and did not fit in with the rest of the game at all.

I certainly will not be buying another DLC with her in it and really hope she will not be in DA3.  

[Gervaise]

It's probably a bit much to say I hate any character - though I was pretty close with Anders after the bomb - but I certainly didn't warm to Tallis and only asked her to stay with me out of curiosity, to see if she would but not with any conviction. I am trying to come up with a reason why any of my Hawkes, even my Warrior in a "Friends with Benefits" relationship with Isabella, would actually try to flirt with her, let alone want anything else. I certainly don't think it is worth upsetting Fenris over her. If she returns in DA3 as a companion, I shall be most disappointed but I rather suspect she will.

[nynuwe]

Theres tons of writers out there with more credentials that Felicia Day has, deserve to have their chance to work with BioWare's creative writing team far more than Felicia Day does, but don't even get half the chance she got.

I guess it pays to be famous, right Miss Day?

Using Felicia Day is a pure marketing ploy that does not deserve the waves of cheer of mindless fanbois who can't even tell a fanfiction Mary Sue from well written characters.But I guess not everyone can see through ploys and obvious marketing tactics. People fall like sheep.... way too often.

Suffice it t say her only redeeming quality was her humor. But having Felicia Day shove her Qunari fangasms down my throat is not appreciated.

Modifié par nynuwe, 14 octobre 2011 - 10:19 .

[DKJaigen]

LOL nynuwe i like critics but what you just posted is just ****
And how the hell is tallis a mary sue?

Modifié par DKJaigen, 14 octobre 2011 - 11:54 .

[SirDoctorofTARDIS]

[llandwynwyn]

I don't know if I hate her...They tried too hard with her character and she doesn't feel natural. For now, I'm just annoyed.

[TEWR]

OP: I hope you burn in the darkest depths of Hell for your blasphemy against Tallis!

just kidding. I don't hope that. Much... =P

But no, I don't hate her.

[nynuwe]

DKJaigen wrote...

LOL nynuwe i like critics but what you just posted is just ****

Yes, because it is obvious that we all have to sit down and be grateful to have famous faces appear in our video games, and fall for their graces like fish on a hook, yes?

What part of marketing ploy do you not get?

If you wish to be a lamb, I'm not stopping you. But don't expect me to follow suit just because some people are being a sheep when it comes to this DLC. Not everyone likes to see obvious ploys like this and basically make you realize you are just fish for their bait. I actually prefer to remain oblivious to this, and not feel like I'm being sold a product that meets only half my expectations just because it has a famous girl's name on it. I don't buy Pepsi because Britney sang in its commercials. I don't buy DLCs just because Miss Day appears in it. I buy products with their quality in mind. I buy the DLC with the belief it will have good quality compelling story, and character. And this DLC has left me disappointed.

So forgive me if I don't buy into Felicia's Mary Sue.

[Fauxnormal]

I don't like this DLC because of Felicia Day, or because I'm a fangirl, or because everyone else does. I like it because it was good, she was a good character, and frankly, my dear, people like you complain about anything and everything. And every post you've made is a steaming pile of self-righteous, arrogent, typical idiot 'anti commercialism' bs, so. You'll forgive me if I don't buy into your crap.

[DKJaigen]

nynuwe wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

LOL nynuwe i like critics but what you just posted is just ****

Yes, because it is obvious that we all have to sit down and be grateful to have famous faces appear in our video games, and fall for their graces like fish on a hook, yes?

What part of marketing ploy do you not get?

If you wish to be a lamb, I'm not stopping you. But don't expect me to follow suit just because some people are being a sheep when it comes to this DLC. Not everyone likes to see obvious ploys like this and basically make you realize you are just fish for their bait. I actually prefer to remain oblivious to this, and not feel like I'm being sold a product that meets only half my expectations just because it has a famous girl's name on it. I don't buy Pepsi because Britney sang in its commercials. I don't buy DLCs just because Miss Day appears in it. I buy products with their quality in mind. I buy the DLC with the belief it will have good quality compelling story, and character. And this DLC has left me disappointed.

So forgive me if I don't buy into Felicia's Mary Sue.

So your full of **** i get it. Why dont you try to post some valid concerns before you accuse me fanboyism.
And for your information i think felicia did decent job on tallis not perfect just decent and i will post them in a serious thread. For now i will just watch you nerdrage moar!

[SurelyForth]

I did not realize that Mark of the Assassin was the first video game product that featured a famous person and used said famous person to market said video game product.

People do realize that BW has a tough sell with DA2 DLC, don't they? If they need to bring in a Felicia Day to bolster appeal so that they can turn a profit that will ensure future non-Tallis DLC then, as long as it's decent (which MotA definitely was, despite funking up the lore a bit in places which is pretty much par for the course with DA stuff), I can't really muster any rage.

[Myusha]

Who cares if being Famous got her in? If making Fanfiction and being well-known got her a DLC? It's life. Nothing is ever fair really. Consider what creatures Hawke and Company kill, and then compare Tallis' kills to them. She never killed a High Dragon, etc. It's just because her abilities were developed off screen.

They attempted to offer a compelling character and story, and also promote Felicia Day. They tried to make it an enjoyable endeavor and took the time to put it on a scale of design compared to Legacy [Not in terms of story-content, but new locations, content, sidequests, etc.]

Tallis is a QUESTIONABLE character. It creates discussion and invokes emotion. Which in turn increases DA2's popularity ever so slightly. And that's not bad.

In the end, even if this wasn't true, they're a ****ing gaming company. They're not doing this for fun. They've got families, friends, and a life to live. Getting a paycheck is fundamental to keep that going. Don't berate them for doing their job.

[Arquen]

I remember when the term Mary Sue used to mean something. Tallis isn't some super heroine, and she has many flaws. She isn't endearing to the other companions.. none of them like or want to help her.

Simply being trained as a Ben-Hassrath assassin gives her an edge and unique talents to throw daggers, but she isn't infallible. She comments to Merrill that her daggers miss the mark sometimes. She is conflicted in her ideals.. trying to convince herself more than anyone of them. Her humor is trickery.. like a bard.. not a defense mechanism, but a trained tactic to help people let their guard down around her.

Honestly, Tallis is conflicted and flawed. She can't argue her Qunari idealism effectively at all because she is so conflicted and that pretty much moves her out of any Mary Sue type character camp.

People get way to hung up on the Felicia Day thing. Honestly, if Felicia Day had nothing to do with it would we see all this anti-commercialism "get off my lawn!" Crap?

Modifié par Arquen, 15 octobre 2011 - 07:10 .

[Sealy]

Felicia Day was or is famous? I never heard of her ouside her web series which I only know of because of the DLC hype. I liked Tallis. she was alright, had some great lines. I lover her "I got your nose thing mostly cause my Hawke was like wtf??? Plus I have to agree, people have obviously lost sight of what a Mary Sue is. Feel free to browse FF.net, you are bound to find a lot, just to refresh your memory as to what one really is.

[TobiTobsen]

Hating a video game character is a total waste of my precious lifetime.

[maselphie]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Hating a video game character is a total waste of my precious lifetime.

So is loving one. 

Modifié par maselphie, 15 octobre 2011 - 09:34 .

[TobiTobsen]

maselphie wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Hating a video game character is a total waste of my precious lifetime.

So is loving one. 

Well, that's at least wasting your lifetime with a positive emotion

[CrimsonZephyr]

Arquen wrote...

I remember when the term Mary Sue used to mean something. Tallis isn't some super heroine, and she has many flaws. She isn't endearing to the other companions.. none of them like or want to help her.

Simply being trained as a Ben-Hassrath assassin gives her an edge and unique talents to throw daggers, but she isn't infallible. She comments to Merrill that her daggers miss the mark sometimes. She is conflicted in her ideals.. trying to convince herself more than anyone of them. Her humor is trickery.. like a bard.. not a defense mechanism, but a trained tactic to help people let their guard down around her.

Honestly, Tallis is conflicted and flawed. She can't argue her Qunari idealism effectively at all because she is so conflicted and that pretty much moves her out of any Mary Sue type character camp.

People get way to hung up on the Felicia Day thing. Honestly, if Felicia Day had nothing to do with it would we see all this anti-commercialism "get off my lawn!" Crap?

The fact that she can walk away with a NOC list filled with the names ofr Qunari agents from a group of heavily armed and battle hardened people who are for the most part (excepting some Hawkes) anti-Qunari, without any meaningful resistance, makes her a canon sue. No one else walks out of the game's story with such a railroaded positive ending. No other character has such an effort put into showing her off as a badass. THAT's what makes her a Mary Sue. There are degrees of Sue.

[TsarNikolai]

Choose your poison
http://tvtropes.org/...hp/Main/MarySue

[Arquen]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

The fact that she can walk away with a NOC list filled with the names ofr Qunari agents from a group of heavily armed and battle hardened people who are for the most part (excepting some Hawkes) anti-Qunari, without any meaningful resistance, makes her a canon sue. No one else walks out of the game's story with such a railroaded positive ending. No other character has such an effort put into showing her off as a badass. THAT's what makes her a Mary Sue. There are degrees of Sue.

That's more plot armor than anything. She still isn't a canon sue. Would you call Isabela a canon sue because she can walk away with the Tome of Koslun or Sister Petrice because she "won't give you the opportunity today" to kill her? Even Hawke who walks away from Meredith and the lyrium idol and the fade and every situation.. EVER.. unscathed?

There is a big difference here when considering something or someone as a sue. As I said.. I remember when the term used to mean something. Now people just pick and choose pieces of the definition "looks like the author" <--- OMG A SUE! Context is important people, and so is taking the whole of a character in context before jumping to conclusions.

Modifié par Arquen, 15 octobre 2011 - 08:16 .

[TripLight]

For several years now, the term Mary Sue has diverged from actually being used for said characters and aimed at characters that the readers don't like and/or are jealous of. Like OC's that end up with a canon character, or OC's that are the plot drivers in fanfiction.
This is what I have noticed reading reviews of fanfiction with well done OC's, who still get labled under the Mary-Sue moniker. It's fiction people, no need to be jealous.
And yes I like Tallis, its a breath of fresh air.

[Adynata]

I didn't care for Felicia Day's acting in Fallout New Vegas, and I felt like I was listening to Veronica again in Mark of the Assassin. The way she spoke didn't seem to fit in with the multi-accented voices of other characters.

[Vlad_Dracul]

I didnt hate her. I think she is brainwashed fanatic, so my Hawke felt pity for her. Qun seems like dangerous ideology, what must brings own truth and order at any cost, cause who is against demands of the Qun, must die. This is reason, why my mage Hawke killed Arishok with refused offer to duel. No glory and no satisfaction for them. Only death.

If Tallis returned in next game, I hope that there will be a chance to change her faith. In other way, she must die for greater good of Thedas, as much as other Quanari agents.

Modifié par Vlad_Dracul, 15 octobre 2011 - 08:33 .

[Nyreen]

SurelyForth wrote...

I did not realize that Mark of the Assassin was the first video game product that featured a famous person and used said famous person to market said video game.

Mass Effect 2 - Yvonne Strahovski as Miranda. No web series, but she's more famous than Day.

[KBomb]

I thought she was delightful. I hope to see more of her.