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[Tryynity]

 Also, why can't I hang out and chat with Leliana, who''s a lot more interesting character than her? (Seriously, Bioware, I would definitely buy any Dragon Age 2 DLC centered around Leliana. I'd buy eight.

Anyways, just my humble opinion.

LOL I said that about Zev although I said Id buy 10 copies and I would hand them out for christmas.

- but it has to be old Zev not the new look Zevran even though my son thinks the new Zev is better.  He prolly is but when you get used to one face its hard to accept a new one.

and at least Leliana got her own DLC - thats something at least  

[TEWR]

Zevran just needs some tanner skin and some eyebrows. Then, I think that he'd probably be great looking.

[Catriana]

I think certain people who like to complain about everything Bioware does would complain about another DLC where you could hang out with Leliana.

As for Zev's new face...I dunno, I figured it's been a LONG time since we've last seen him and he does look older to me. Granted, I love his younger look and I think it's much better (and more real-looking by far) but Alistair and Zev's age up also seem realistic to me. They can't stay young-looking forever.

As for Tallis, folks do know it's perfectly alright to dislike a character, right? Like, not all characters are created/designed to BE liked. Tallis in Redemption definitely doesn't come off as a likable character, whereas in MotA she's better, but she's still a huge flaming hypocrite and that's going to irk people no matter what. And that's okay.


Edit: Herp derp, spell fail.

Modifié par Catriana, 21 novembre 2011 - 12:59 .

[MEMANIAsama]

Fun Fact: I played MotA in Act 1 in my first time through the game and I didn't have nearly as many problems as everyone else seemed to encounter with her personality, and at that point I had very little insight to the Qun/Qunari beyond what Redemption told me. Also, at the beginning of Act 2 you get some notes in regards to Tallis working with the Qunari in Kirkwall, etc. which was kind of cool. Wonder if she'll get mentioned in Act 3 as well.

I also play a female Hawke, so... there wasn't nearly as much "sex appeal" going on here, but... yeah, Tallis comes off as a female Zevran in a lot of regards to that whole deal.

[randomcheeses]

Catriana wrote...

I think certain people who like to complain about everything Bioware does would complain about another DLC where you could hang out with Leliana.

As for Zev's new face...I dunno, I figured it's been a LONG time since we've last seen him and he does look older to me. Granted, I love his younger look and I think it's much better (and more real-looking by far) but Alistair and Zev's age up also seem realistic to me. They can't stay young-looking forever.

As for Tallis, folks do know it's perfectly alright to dislike a character, right? Like, not all characters are created/designed to BE liked. Tallis in Redemption definitely doesn't come off as a likable character, whereas in MotA she's better, but she's still a huge flaming hypocrite and that's going to irk people no matter what. And that's okay.

Except that Tallis was. She was specifically designed so that you would play MotA and think she was the awesomest character ever. Everything about her screams : Look! Isn't she awesome?! Don't you just love her?!
If she had been intentionally instead of accidentally designed as a flaming hypocrite you can bet Hawke would be able to tell her that she was one. At length.

Modifié par randomcheeses, 21 novembre 2011 - 06:07 .

[randomcheeses]

whoops.dp.

Modifié par randomcheeses, 21 novembre 2011 - 06:06 .

[ThePhoenixKing]

randomcheeses wrote...

Catriana wrote...

I think certain people who like to complain about everything Bioware does would complain about another DLC where you could hang out with Leliana.

As for Zev's new face...I dunno, I figured it's been a LONG time since we've last seen him and he does look older to me. Granted, I love his younger look and I think it's much better (and more real-looking by far) but Alistair and Zev's age up also seem realistic to me. They can't stay young-looking forever.

As for Tallis, folks do know it's perfectly alright to dislike a character, right? Like, not all characters are created/designed to BE liked. Tallis in Redemption definitely doesn't come off as a likable character, whereas in MotA she's better, but she's still a huge flaming hypocrite and that's going to irk people no matter what. And that's okay.

Except that Tallis was. She was specifically designed so that you would play MotA and think she was the awesomest character ever. Everything about her screams : Look! Isn't she awesome?! Don't you just love her?!
If she had been intentionally instead of accidentally designed as a flaming hypocrite you can bet Hawke would be able to tell her that she was one. At length.

Agreed, they wouldn't have created a character solely to be disliked AND given you the option to romance them. And so what if she's better in Mark of the Assassin than in Redemption? That's not much of an improvement (though I will say that I liked MotA overall, even if Redemption was a pile of bronto dung).

[Catriana]

randomcheeses wrote...

Catriana wrote...

I think certain people who like to complain about everything Bioware does would complain about another DLC where you could hang out with Leliana.

As for Zev's new face...I dunno, I figured it's been a LONG time since we've last seen him and he does look older to me. Granted, I love his younger look and I think it's much better (and more real-looking by far) but Alistair and Zev's age up also seem realistic to me. They can't stay young-looking forever.

As for Tallis, folks do know it's perfectly alright to dislike a character, right? Like, not all characters are created/designed to BE liked. Tallis in Redemption definitely doesn't come off as a likable character, whereas in MotA she's better, but she's still a huge flaming hypocrite and that's going to irk people no matter what. And that's okay.

Except that Tallis was. She was specifically designed so that you would play MotA and think she was the awesomest character ever. Everything about her screams : Look! Isn't she awesome?! Don't you just love her?!
If she had been intentionally instead of accidentally designed as a flaming hypocrite you can bet Hawke would be able to tell her that she was one. At length.

Mmmm, I can't quite agree with the assessment that she was 'accidently designed' as a hypocrite. It's very, painfully obvious she is, and just because Hawke doesn't pick up on it doesn't mean much. There are a lot of things Hawke doesn't pick up on in game.

It seems to me the rants and raves you would have liked to give Tallis were avoided, just as the rants and raves some folks would have liked to have given Fenris, Anders, Merrill, Isabela, pretty much everyone. The game avoids long, drawn out arguments, usually ending with the other character getting the last word, not Hawke.

Being presented as a capable fighter does not equate to being designed to be a likable character. A character can be highly skilled, witty, and pretend to be charming and that still doesn't mean the developers went out of their way to make them 'likeable'. I certainly didn't care much for Zevran when I first played DA:O and it wasn't until I romanced him that I appreciated his character.

If any character was designed to be 'likable' it was Merrill. Happy, cheerful, semi-clueless Merrill. Except I didn't. I hated her. Once again, I had to romance her to really 'get' her character.

I get that you don't like Tallis, I don't like her either, but I can at least sit back and look at it from a neutral standpoint. And no, I don't think she was designed to be 'likable' on a deeper character level. Oh, she was certainly designed to look bad ass and cute, for the sake of promotion and sales, but concerning actual characterization and what have you? I don't think she was anymore than the other characters.

Tallis has an equal amount of quirks, annoyances, and hypocracies as just about every other romancable character in the game. She's a terrible Qunari, and I think she was purposefully designed that way.

I don't like her, but it's not because she was shown as being 'omg awesome'. All the characters are omg awesome, if she had been presented sub-par, no one would have been interested in wanting to learn more about her. Which is unfortunate, because her actual in-game performance WAS sub-par.

[HiroVoid]

I don't like Jack in Mass Effect, but I like her character.
I'm fine with Jacob in Mass Effect, but don't really care for his character.

Modifié par HiroVoid, 26 novembre 2011 - 11:03 .

[Darkrider296]

Filament wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Not really nope. Now if your question was "do you hate the fact that she makes an anti-Qunari Hawke look like a drooling idiot?", then my answer would be yes.

Only because anti-qunari Hawkes are drooling idiots.

So if my Hawke has serious ethical problems with the Qun's dictates their a drooling idiot? Intersting worldview you have

[ev76]

Yeah I had no problem with Tallis she was a fun character to interact with. Can't believe she bamboozled me for the list of names though.

[hussey 92]

I do not care for Tallis. The whole Mark of the Assasin DLC just seems like a cameo for a minor celeb who made some fan based web videos. I'm not as annoyed with Felcia Day as I am with the Bioware writers who wrote her into the game. giving her a history with leliana annoyed me even further

I'm not trying to be super negative here, but bioware was already acussed of selling out when they turned dragon age into mass effect 2, and the tallis dlc only strengthens that point

[Lilaeth]

hussey 92 wrote...

I do not care for Tallis. The whole Mark of the Assasin DLC just seems like a cameo for a minor celeb who made some fan based web videos. I'm not as annoyed with Felcia Day as I am with the Bioware writers who wrote her into the game. giving her a history with leliana annoyed me even further

I'm not trying to be super negative here, but bioware was already acussed of selling out when they turned dragon age into mass effect 2, and the tallis dlc only strengthens that point

This.

Plus her voice really irritates me - she's too smug sounding.

[Porenferser]

I don't hate her, I just see her as a superfluous character with a contradictory personality and overpowered abilities.
Please Bioware, keep her out of the next games.
Because Tallis will never be more then a Mary-Sue written by a fan.
Give us (me especially, I'm a qunari-fanboy) a better written non-kossith Qunari instead.

[Cheep Cheep Cheep]

Porenferser wrote...

I don't hate her, I just see her as a superfluous character with a contradictory personality and overpowered abilities.
Please Bioware, keep her out of the next games.
Because Tallis will never be more then a Mary-Sue written by a fan.
Give us (me especially, I'm a qunari-fanboy) a better written non-kossith Qunari instead.

Or just a bamf female kossith. Tal-Vashoth, mayhaps, with a lot of interesting insight on the Qunari religion.

[berelinde]

Porenferser wrote...

I don't hate her, I just see her as a superfluous character with a contradictory personality and overpowered abilities.
Please Bioware, keep her out of the next games.
Because Tallis will never be more then a Mary-Sue written by a fan.
Give us (me especially, I'm a qunari-fanboy) a better written non-kossith Qunari instead.

That was my opinion of her, as well. A bad fanfic character.

I'd rather see a non-Qunari kossith, though. A female mage whose powers manifested late enough (and privately enough) to escape immediate notice. According to the Qun, she should have been fed drugs to turn her into a turnip and set to work breaking up rocks or something, but she anticipated the fate that was in store for her and escaped Par Vollen, making her way first to Ferelden, then to wherever the Next Thing is set to take place. Technically, she's a Tal-Vashoth, but she has not banded together with other Tal-Vashoth because they are just as restrictive toward women as their Qunari kin. She has taken a human name and is rather fond of it.

[CuriousArtemis]

I would love a female kossith, but dear god, how can they make us ladies stare at those lovely half-naked kossith for all of DA2 and then NOT give us a male kossith love interest?!

[wowpwnslol]

Blasphemy! Tallis was boss. Even my female Hawke wasn't able to resist her charms.

[Dwarva]

I did like the DLC.. I think in a lot of ways it was because she was a bit too close in personality to how I imagine my purple Hawke. Their banter was just a bit too 'sitcom' at times when Hawke offered a sarcastic/witty response...

Modifié par Staarbux, 20 mai 2012 - 05:33 .

[hussey 92]

Cheep Cheep Cheep wrote...

Porenferser wrote...

I don't hate her, I just see her as a superfluous character with a contradictory personality and overpowered abilities.
Please Bioware, keep her out of the next games.
Because Tallis will never be more then a Mary-Sue written by a fan.
Give us (me especially, I'm a qunari-fanboy) a better written non-kossith Qunari instead.

Or just a bamf female kossith. Tal-Vashoth, mayhaps, with a lot of interesting insight on the Qunari religion.

I'd rather get my insights from characters that don't contradic themselves regularly

[WitcheyMarina]

I don't really love Tallis' character, but I don't dislike her. The banter between her and Hawke seemed a bit forced, unnatural, but it's a video game, what are you gonna do?

Her appearance in-game was... meh. If they had made the face less detailed to match FD's face it might not have bothered me too much, because I think FD looks pretty while Tallis... not so much in my opinion. And Tallis' eyes bugged me a little. They didn't look like they 'fit' well in DA2.

As for her character, I like it, but when you talk to her as SarcasticHawke it's sort of like you're talking to a clone or... something. Her mission was good; she had reason to lie to you, ESPECIALLY after Act 2, and you can't tell whether or not her behaviour is just a mask. But if they took away her Qunari role and edited her story that would have made her a bit more likeable. I nearly skipped through the dialogue because her information confused the hell out of me.

I don't see why there's so much hate for her. Yes, she seems very much like a self-insert to boost Bioware's profit from DLC, but compared to Mary-Sues (ACTUAL Mary-Sues, not OCs accused of being Sues because they just happen to succeed at a few things) Tallis doesn't seem perfect. Otherwise Hawke wouldn't have to get that bloody key for her, or even attend the hunting party at all.

Combat-wise I found it very hard to kill enemies when I spent half the time reviving Tallis. That disappointment didn't help my impression of her. =/

Chances are they'll bring her back for some role or cameo in DA3 or another DA game, much like they did for Zaeed and Kasumi in Mass Effect. I won't mind it, but if I have to buy DLC for her I'd put it off until I had cash to burn or I'm falling into a deep dark descent of boredom. If they don't bring her back though, I won't lose sleep over it.

Modifié par WitcheyMarina, 15 avril 2012 - 09:46 .

[esper]

berelinde wrote...

Porenferser wrote...

I don't hate her, I just see her as a superfluous character with a contradictory personality and overpowered abilities.
Please Bioware, keep her out of the next games.
Because Tallis will never be more then a Mary-Sue written by a fan.
Give us (me especially, I'm a qunari-fanboy) a better written non-kossith Qunari instead.

That was my opinion of her, as well. A bad fanfic character.

I'd rather see a non-Qunari kossith, though. A female mage whose powers manifested late enough (and privately enough) to escape immediate notice. According to the Qun, she should have been fed drugs to turn her into a turnip and set to work breaking up rocks or something, but she anticipated the fate that was in store for her and escaped Par Vollen, making her way first to Ferelden, then to wherever the Next Thing is set to take place. Technically, she's a Tal-Vashoth, but she has not banded together with other Tal-Vashoth because they are just as restrictive toward women as their Qunari kin. She has taken a human name and is rather fond of it.

I want to see this too.

[Cantina]

<Scratches head> I just did not understand the purpose
of this DLC. Legacy made sense, Mark of the Assassin just seemed so damn out of
place. I mean sure it was nice to visit Orlais, get some nifty goodies and have
more romantic banter come out from Anders, but aside from that story wise, I’m
just baffled.

I do not hate Tallis; I would simply say I am not a fan of
her at all. I did not even find her appealing to look at and saw other elves in
the game that were more attractive. Then I clicked on Anders after I chose to
help Tallis and he says, “What is with you and helping cute elves with no self
preservation instinct?”  I not only cringed at the statement but also threw up
in my mouth.

Tallis even as a companion was difficult to keep alive. I
brought a potion to reset her skills and that still did not help her. I put her
on aggressive and she still would stand back and toss daggers at enemies. It
was a complete nightmare chasing her around the battlefield keeping her from
face planting.

Her dialogue was stiff and not very funny. I thought that
some point it would collide with what it has to do with the game, but it never
happened.

I do not hate nor am I a fan of Felicia Day; I do not find
stuffing her into a game with a poor story that had nothing to do whatsoever with
anything was the right course of action. 

It is amazing how the “Exalted Marches” DLC was canceled yet this DLC
was made. I have played numerous games and have purchased numerous DLCS to go
with said games. Some were great; some were OK, but “Mark of the Assassin”
falls in the category of just simply being awful.

Modifié par Cantina, 18 avril 2012 - 06:40 .

[esper]

Cantina wrote...



<Scratches head> I just did not understand the purpose
of this DLC. Legacy made sense, Mark of the Assassin just seemed so damn out of
place. I mean sure it was nice to visit Orlais, get some nifty goodies and have
more romantic banter come out from Anders, but aside from that story wise, I’m
just baffled.

I do not hate Tallis; I would simply say I am not a fan of
her at all. I did not even find her appealing to look at and saw other elves in
the game that were more attractive. Then I clicked on Anders after I chose to
help Tallis and he says, “What is with you and helping cute elves with no self
preservation instinct?”  I not only cringed at the statement but also threw up
in my mouth.

Tallis even as a companion was difficult to keep alive. I
brought a potion to reset her skills and that still did not help her. I put her
on aggressive and she still would stand back and toss daggers at enemies. It
was a complete nightmare chasing her around the battlefield keeping her from
face planting.

Her dialogue was stiff and not very funny. I thought that
some point it would collide with what it has to do with the game, but it never
happened.

I do not hate nor am I a fan of Felicia Day; I do not find
stuffing her into a game with a poor story that had nothing to do whatsoever with
anything was the right course of action. 

It is amazing how the “Exalted Marches” DLC was canceled yet this DLC
was made. I have played numerous games and have purchased numerous DLCS to go
with said games. Some were great; some were OK, but “Mark of the Assassin”
falls in the category of just simply being awful.

We weren't even in Orlais, we were in a vaction resort beloning to an Orlesian. Storywise it adds to the qunari conflict. 
But I admit to  not liking the Tallis characther (and hope to never see her again) so I am going to quote Anders too and say 'good ridance'.