True, but Sten seems surprised at the idea of a woman fighting at all (based on his dialogue with Leliana, Wynne, and Morrigan about the subject) because he views it as something only men do.
In fact, Sten's dialogue with Leliana mentions women being priests, but he still says: "Women are priests, artisians, farmers or shopkeepers. None of them have any place in fighting." The idea of a female Qunari fighting as part of her occupation simply seems to be a change from what was originally intended; I'm not saying it's good or bad, simply that it appears to be a shift.[/quote]
Silfren said much the same thing in a thread over in the Campaign section, citing what's said in DAO as inconsistent at least and a shift of the lore at most.
I'm unsure really what to make of it. I believe David Gaider, Mary Kirby, or some other dev talked about women being a part of the Ben-Hassrath long before DAII was released -- maybe even before it was announced.
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Except Sten acknowledges Wynne as a mage, Leliana as a bard, and Morrigan as a mage. He doesn't consider any of them trying to be Grey Wardens from his dialogue. He calls Wynne "mage" in conversations with her, and asks Morrigan if she is trying to "control" The Warden (if she is romancing him) with her magic.[/quote]
Oh I know that's what he states. I'm just wondering if that's the mindset he was operating under when he asked all three of them why they're there.
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I thought Sandal preferred salamandars?[/quote]
Nope!
[quote]And I honestly think you give more thought to this than the writers did.[/quote]
Sometimes I think so too. I think it's because I try and scrutinize/extrapolate from the available lore and try and view the Qunari as I think they view themselves. I try and see things from their viewpoint.
Or I just BS really well.
[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...
If Justice didn't need a body to travel the mortal plane, why did he bond with Anders?[/quote]
Remember Nathaniel's line? "Together you can do what alone you cannot"?
I imagine that's why.
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And why would Anders even trust Justice if he was a wandering Spirit of Justice with no mortal body? It doesn't seem like the writers gave this possible story route for Anders and Justice in Awakening much thought when they devised Dragon Age II. [/quote]
Perhaps not. I won't contest that it doesn't seem like it was given its due.
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Given that Anders assumes that Justice will return to the Fade if Anders is killed, I'm not so sure Justice would simply travel the mortal plane.[/quote]
Ah, but what one assumes to be the case doesn't really mean it's so. And also, the possession of Anders is different from the possession of Kristoff.
In Awakening, Justice says he could leave Kristoff's body if he wished to, but is unsure if he really wants to now. I assume that had Anders' possession not gone wrong, Justice/Vengeance could do just that here. He wouldn't be tied to Anders' body.
Perhaps he's free now. Maybe he's dead. Maybe he's back in the Fade. I doubt we'll ever know
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Again, I think you gave this more thought than they did.
It's as much of a plothole as Anders' short story (aside from being a cannibal who is immune to weapons)[/quote]
Yea, that made me go "What the hell?!", more so when I killed Anders in one of my playthroughs.
[quote], where the templars forced the Wardens to accept a templar into their ranks. That really makes no sense to me. Given that I doubt templars would care more about Anders than the infamous Dalish mage Velanna[/quote]
Well, remember that Rylock was operating off of Chantry authority and they believed Anders had gone from harmless apostate to murderer.
While Velanna's an apostate in the Wardens, I doubt they found out about her when they were focused on Anders. Indeed, not many people really knew about Velanna's presence there. They were either killed by the Darkspawn, her, or ran away in fear -- of which the latter is very scarce.
Or she scared them. Remember, she's a particularly scary woman
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, or especially the mage protagonist who asked for the mages of the Circle of Ferelden to be emancipated from the Chantry and the Order of Templars - and then proceeded to become the most powerful mage in Andrastian society - I don't see why they would focus on one mage who consistently ran away. Given Rylock's attempt to murder Anders and the Hero of Ferelden via Warden-Commander, I don't see how the templars could coerce this to happen. [/quote]
You make some good points. I doubt the Warden-Commander would kowtow to the Chantry's commands, unless the First Warden himself ordered Templars to be admitted to the ranks so as to appease the Chantry on the matter.
I'd imagine the First Warden did indeed conduct some sort of negotiations with the Chantry. Remember that being a Warden in theory nullifies your previous life. At least, prior to the 5th Blight it did, though for certain Wardens that's not the case.
So I'd imagine that the First Warden would've said "He's no longer a Mage. He's a Warden, a hero to the people, and a source of inspiration for them. He's serving our interests and will gain their trust more easily then foreign Wardens, so you'd best leave him be."
I don't know. Again, it's not impossible to make work, but it might not have been given its due. Though one should remember that the short stories probably follow the same guidelines as other DA written works -- in that they're trying to work off of one scenario for the purpose of the story.
I'm sure that our own headcanons could change it to suit the needs of our imports, but I suppose Anders' short story was written with a non-Mage Warden in mind. Or an US Warden with a Non-Mage Orlesian Warden Commander.
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And for a mage protagonist (like my Surana Warden), I can imagine he would say exactly the same thing the Chantry did about the Magi boon: No.[/quote]
Unless the First Warden himself ordered your Surana to admit some Templars into their ranks -- for the purposes of fighting Emissaries?
[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...
Except in the US ending, the King or Queen orders Knight-Commander Greagoir to hand over the new Circle Tower to the mages, and Greagoir concedes that he will do so.[/quote]
Really? Huh, okay... that makes things enter a different playing field then.
[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...
The independent Circle of Orzammar isn't formed. First Enchanter Irving regards the Magi boon as a given. It honestly doesn't seem like it was originally intended for the Chantry to say no to the Magi boon based on these scenes.[/quote]
Perhaps you're right.
Though I still have to wonder why a Circle in Orzammar doesn't form. There doesn't seem to be any reason why Mages wouldn't go there, when Irving himself notes that the Mages can learn a lot about their Dwarven neighbors by Dagna's presence alone. So wouldn't others leap at that opportunity, as well as the opportunity to have ready access to lyrium and more freedom?
Two independent Circles would be great really.
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