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[naledgeborn]

Not really nope. Now if your question was "do you hate the fact that she makes an anti-Qunari Hawke look like a drooling idiot?", then my answer would be yes.

[TEWR]

what he said ^^^

[Nashiktal]

I definitely didn't like her. I like felicia day, but her acting was sub par here.

Tallis was funny, I laughed a few times, but I just didn't like her. She lied... A lot and I still didn't know what I was doing until the very end of the DLC. She invented problems between hawke and her even when my hawke didn't have a direct problem with qunari, and during said forced arguments she couldn't even argue her point well! She was constantly condescending.... And she seems to be good at everything, save when she isn't for convenience of plot.

During battle in game she is easiest the weakest of all your squadmates, and to make her effective you have to take direct control, and hope you have some makers sigh about to get her up to par.

The DLC was fun and great (and did a much better job of getting party members to interact in the DLC than the ME series ever did) but Tallis was just not that great.

[Nashiktal]

naledgeborn wrote...

Not really nope. Now if your question was "do you hate the fact that she makes an anti-Qunari Hawke look like a drooling idiot?", then my answer would be yes.

My hawke wasn't even anti qunari and she was still forcing conflict.

[berelinde]

I expected to hate her. After playing the DLC, I found that I merely disliked her strongly. No mean feat, consdidering.

Most of my objections have to do with how speshul she is. She defies all the lore we have seen to date regarding female qunari. OK, so we haven't seen all the lore there is, obviously, but when every qunari we have met to date tells us that women have clearly defined *non-combatant* roles in the Qun and then when a fan-made qunari breaks those rules so she can be a spy who will almost certainly be involved in combat, well, there you go.

I found myself rolling my eyes a lot when she got all the good lines. I loved the jailbreak scene to itty bitty bits... right up until she strolled over, broke Hawke out of jail, and saved the day. Hey, if my companions can be made to look like idiots, she should be made to look like one, too.

She could do everything. Why was it even necessary for my character to use stealth at all when she was always there ahead of him? Couldn't she just super-sneak on ahead, stick a knife in the ribs of everyone in the way, and let us just on with it? But no, she just sat there making impatient comments while Hawke did all the work, then popped on ahead of him at the end. Grrrrrrr.

And why is everybody in the DLC falling all over her? She isn't all that pretty. I wish she had gotten the banter that Aveline/Isabela had: "I don't understand why you're so popular. You aren't all that pretty."/"Spread a wide enough net, you're bound to catch something." That level of honesty would have impressed me far more than the undeserved fanboy squeeage she's received.

Probably the one shining moment in the DLC came when we were trying to get the key from the guards and it was Hawke's charm, not Tallis's that saved the day. It was a brief moment of focusing the attention back upon Hawke, for a change, but it was very, very welcome by that point.

Anyway, I hope that now that she's had her 15 minutes of fame, she can get on with some other project. I REALLY would rather NOT see her again.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I haven't played this, and don't intend to. I'm jsut wondering. IN the clips of Tallis I've seen, her neck looks really long.. is it just me? or is that how she actually looks in game?

[naledgeborn]

Filament wrote...
Only because anti-qunari Hawkes are drooling idiots.

Please, enlighten me to your logic. It seems pretty reasonable that one can role play an anti-Qunari Hawke without coming across as a drolling idiot. Especially if mage class.

[Mr.House]

No really love Tallis in fact.

[Dave of Canada]

@Filament: You can side with Petrice and still question everything she does, you might just roleplay it as your Hawke really being fanatical or Hawke's putting his personal feelings aside to deal with the greater Qunari threat.

Hell, you can tell Petrice to never bother you ever again. :-P

[whykikyouwhy]

A non-drooling Hawke, imo, would be the one who is anti-Qunari invasion, anti-Qunari pillaging-of-Kirkwall, anti-Qunari imposing their will upon a city that is not theirs...but not anti-ALL-Qunari. Since those that follow the Qun do so at various levels, and are each individuals (albeit working towards a collective goal), then to be anti-ALL-Qunari would be foolish and idiotic.

[Sunnie]

Mr.House wrote...

No really love Tallis in fact.

lolwut!? In engrish prease!

[Lilunebrium]

"The prototypical Mary Sue is an original female character in a fanfic who obviously serves as an idealized version of the author mainly for the purpose of Wish Fulfillment. She's exotically beautiful, often having an unusual hair or eye color, and has a similarly cool and exotic name. She's exceptionally talented in an implausibly wide variety of areas, and may possess skills that are rare or nonexistent in the canon setting. She also lacks any realistic, or at least story-relevant, character flaws — either that or her "flaws" are obviously meant to be endearing."

Whether Tallis qualifies as a Mary Sue when looking at the above standards is up for debate, but to me, she certainly seemed to lean towards the label on several occasions.

Before I elaborate, let me clarify that I don't hate Tallis. I don't even dislike her - I just don't like the way her character was handled. Tallis received unique armor, a unique skillset, unique features which didn't seem to correspond with any existing ones at all (referring to her looks here) and to top it off, a unique background, mainly making her a female spy following the Qun. Looking past that, she is, of course, incredibly skilled. Not only with daggers, but with deception, charisma, theft, stealth and breaking out of cells as well, all while in the meantime being more impressive than Hawke&Co. 

I don't have anything against unique characters. I do, however, have something against characters created to be perfect (or regarding Tallis, at least incredibly appealing), in this case more than probably to draw an audience for Redemption. This doesn't just count for Tallis - it counts for all characters. There's hardly a thing more dull than someone perfect.

That being said, there were still more than enough factors for me to greatly enjoy MotA, with Tallis' nug-mimicking being one of them.

Modifié par Lilunebrium, 18 octobre 2011 - 11:31 .

[Jazharah]

I love Felicia Day and what she does. She makes geeky girls look sexy as hell.

As for her representation of Tallis... eh. Some Felicia Day shines through, mostly in the humorous parts and even more when playing Sarcastic Hawke (srsly, I LOL'd multiple times through the DLC).

My issue lies not with Felicia Day. It doesn't lie with BioWare's choice for Felicia Day either. My issue lies with the lack of influence I can have in the story. Pretty much DA2.2: There is no consequence, there is only the predetermined story I can't do crap about.

Even though there's some interesting Qunari tidbits and nuances we get to see, it's represented in such a way it fits perfectly with the rest of DA2. </sarcasm>

As for it being a marketing ploy: I admit I bought the DLC because of Felicia Day, so it worked. I'm happy with how Tallis was actually much like Felicia, so that worked too.

But GAWDS the Dragon Age writing team needs a friggin' pummeling.

[naledgeborn]

Dave of Canada wrote...

@Filament: You can side with Petrice and still question everything she does, you might just roleplay it as your Hawke really being fanatical or Hawke's putting his personal feelings aside to deal with the greater Qunari threat.

Hell, you can tell Petrice to never bother you ever again. :-P

What he said. You can still openly antagonize the Qunari without being a Chantry ****** boy. My mage was anti-Qun and anti-Chant. He saw the Qunari as the greater threat and put his beef with the Chantry on hold. And while he did "side" with Petrice he still went to the Arishok and told him he killed his men and was still declared Basilt-an. And in the end denounced Petrice to the Grand Cleric for murdering Seamus.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 16 octobre 2011 - 12:05 .

[whykikyouwhy]

naledgeborn wrote...
What he said. You can still openly antagonize the Qunari without being a Chantry ****** boy. My mage was anti-Qun and anti-Chant. He saw the Qunari as the greater threat and put his beef with the Chantry on hold. And while he did "side" with Petrice he still went to the Arishok and told him he killed his men and was still declared Basilt-an.

So...anti-Chant and anti-Qun means that all Chantry members/followers and all Qunari were despised by your Hawke? Just curious, how did your Hawke feel towards Sebastian, Leliana, or even Anders?

[KBomb]

Do some people really not like her just because she was more badass and appealing than their Hawke? That is quite lulzy.

[naledgeborn]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...
What he said. You can still openly antagonize the Qunari without being a Chantry ****** boy. My mage was anti-Qun and anti-Chant. He saw the Qunari as the greater threat and put his beef with the Chantry on hold. And while he did "side" with Petrice he still went to the Arishok and told him he killed his men and was still declared Basilt-an.

So...anti-Chant and anti-Qun means that all Chantry members/followers and all Qunari were despised by your Hawke? Just curious, how did your Hawke feel towards Sebastian, Leliana, or even Anders?

Organizations are not people. He had great respect for the Arishok (vise versa) and a friendly rivalry with Sebastian. Anders is a touchy subject because *I* hate him and it gets hard trying not to metagame.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 16 octobre 2011 - 12:22 .

[TEWR]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...
What he said. You can still openly antagonize the Qunari without being a Chantry ****** boy. My mage was anti-Qun and anti-Chant. He saw the Qunari as the greater threat and put his beef with the Chantry on hold. And while he did "side" with Petrice he still went to the Arishok and told him he killed his men and was still declared Basilt-an.

So...anti-Chant and anti-Qun means that all Chantry members/followers and all Qunari were despised by your Hawke? Just curious, how did your Hawke feel towards Sebastian, Leliana, or even Anders?

I would say that an anti-Chantry/anti-Qun Hawke disagrees with a lot of the concepts/ideas of the Chantry, and not necessarily all the people who are a part of it. Which isn't to say an anti-Chantry or anti-Qun Hawke won't end up hating certain members of the Chantry/Templars or Qunari. He/She will. Like Meredith. Tobias Hawke hates her and wants to mount her head somewhere for all of Kirkwall to see.

Tobias Hawke disagrees with only three things from the Qun: the invasions for the sole purpose of "enlightening the bas", how they treat mages, and their hunt for all Tal-Vashoth instead of the ones like Salit who do indeed betray the Qunari.

If the Qunari acted like the Arishok did prior to Act II's climax in regards to converts (true willing converts like Saemus) and treated their mages better along with only hunting Tal-Vashoth like Salit, there would be nothing wrong with the Qun in my Hawke's eyes. He had no qualms with the Arishok and respected him. He even thought some of what he said was profound and wise, and in another life would join the Qun in a heartbeat were Kirkwall not where his goals were set.

Tobias Hawke agrees with some things the Qun says, and disagrees with others.

But he's also anti-Chantry. He disagrees with the Chantry as an institution. Ok, he really just hates the Chantry for how they treat mages. Underneath the prettied up exterior of "We take care of the mages" he sees them for being cruel blackguards who preach that "Magic is a sin" and "You are forever cursed. There is nothing good about being a mage".

He has no qualms with the people who are Andrastian and doesn't hate all Chantry folk unless they give him reason to, but that one thing about mages is what makes him seriously pro-mage. He wants to prove to the world that mages aren't cursed and that magic can be used for good.

He acknowledges that the Templars are necessary, but upon finding the codex that says the Templars are recruited for their religious zeal rather than their morality he is advocating for the Templars to be split from the Chantry entirely and fall directly under the jurisdiction of the state. At the very least, he wants the Chantry to make the morality the primary recruitment reason and not the secondary one.

He acknowledges that the Circle is also necessary, but he thinks that mages should be able to live lives of their own after being a Harrowed mage. To this end, he wants to rise to the position of Viscount and change the lot of mages. For now, he's freeing what mages he can and is working to undermine Templar authority

Granted this is all my fanfiction and does not follow the game at all. He rises to Viscount through different methods.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 16 octobre 2011 - 12:35 .

[whykikyouwhy]

naledgeborn wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...
What he said. You can still openly antagonize the Qunari without being a Chantry ****** boy. My mage was anti-Qun and anti-Chant. He saw the Qunari as the greater threat and put his beef with the Chantry on hold. And while he did "side" with Petrice he still went to the Arishok and told him he killed his men and was still declared Basilt-an.

So...anti-Chant and anti-Qun means that all Chantry members/followers and all Qunari were despised by your Hawke? Just curious, how did your Hawke feel towards Sebastian, Leliana, or even Anders?

Organizations are not people. He had great respect for the Arishok (vise versa) and a friendly rivalry with Sebastian. Anders is a touchy subject because *I* hate him and it gets hard trying not to metagame.

Which touches upon the point I was making earlier, to support Filament's comment. Anti-Qunari might imply "anti-ALL-Qunari", which is different from anti-Qun. The Qun is the philosophy/religion/etc. The Qunari are the followers/supporters.

[naledgeborn]

Well for the sake of clarification. Anti-Qun and Anti-Chant Hawke. It's much like Ethereal's description of his Tobias Hawke. I and by extension my Hawke is not the type to hold a grudge on the "son for the sins of the father" so to speak.

And I'm actually a big fan of the Qun/Qunari. My canon Hawke, not so much.

[mousestalker]

I'm very fond of the Tallis canon