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[whykikyouwhy]

Rojahar wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

I'm very fond of the Tallis canon

Oh yeah? Well, I'm fond of the Tallis Cannon!

<Too lazy to make a picture of a canon that shoots elves... so use your imagination!>

Hmm. I see the Tallis cannon as a weapon that she uses - it would fire Orlesian cheese wheels.

[mousestalker]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

I'm very fond of the Tallis canon

Oh yeah? Well, I'm fond of the Tallis Cannon!

<Too lazy to make a picture of a canon that shoots elves... so use your imagination!>

Hmm. I see the Tallis cannon as a weapon that she uses - it would fire Orlesian cheese wheels.

This needs to happen. It's too good an idea.

[Merilsell]

llandwynwyn wrote...

I don't know if I hate her...They tried too hard with her character and she doesn't feel natural. For now, I'm just annoyed.

^ This.

[Blitzkrieg0811]

It's a hate thread!

[_Somebody]

I didnt like her, but not for that reason. I hate the Qun, so I wish I could have killed her for being a Qunari follower.

Modifié par Somebody, 16 octobre 2011 - 02:02 .

[TEWR]

Courage the Cowardly Dog! YAY!!!

[Nashiktal]

My hawke doesn't hate the qunari, in fact he respects them as an alien entity he will never fully understand. However he accepts the fact that any contact between qunari and non qunari culture will end in violence. As such he is more than prepared to fight the qunari.

Of course Tallis still wants to argue about the qunari despite the fact my problem was with her, not the qunari.

[NugWrangler]

I didn't hate Tallis, but by the end of the quest I didn't like her either. Her somewhat racist remarks against humans bothered me, especially when in the next breath she's begging for my help. She also seems to sidestep talking about the Qunari's policy of forced conversion. I would have liked to have a deeper discussion with her about that.

I don't think it's important that I like every character Bioware writes though, the fact that I have an opinion about her at all means they did something right.

[Chiramu]

nynuwe wrote...


I guess it pays to be famous, right Miss Day?

Felicia Day isn't very famous. She's appeared in pretty much the same sort of stuff that the other Dragon Age voice actors have. 

Simon Pegg is a bigger nerd and much more famous and a way better writer than she is. Why don't Bioware think to ask Simon Pegg to star in one of their games/DLC/expansion. He was Ben Flynn in Fable 3, and probably the biggest famous Star Wars fan ever. 

[Huntress]

I don't hate her, she is just a brain-washed-elf..
She saw a better future for herself with the qunari, she let hawke knows that there is a "'good side to them" sadly the "good" is not for mages.. rofl.
I don't know what families she is talking about i always thought qunari childrens were raced collectively. maybe she is part of another group of qunari?
I don't know.. remember fenris? when asked about it? he said: they were free with their affections.. but this qunari were outcasts and they didn't follow the qun, she on the other hand is a qunari or I thought she was.

Edit: I have to play that dlc again, am getting all confuse.. or maybe bioware is the ones who got all mess up and  families* slipped lol.. oh maker! someone bring the Codex to them!

Modifié par Huntress, 18 octobre 2011 - 04:14 .

[Lilunebrium]

Lilunebrium wrote...

"The prototypical Mary Sue is an original female character in a fanfic who obviously serves as an idealized version of the author mainly for the purpose of Wish Fulfillment. She's exotically beautiful, often having an unusual hair or eye color, and has a similarly cool and exotic name. She's exceptionally talented in an implausibly wide variety of areas, and may possess skills that are rare or nonexistent in the canon setting. She also lacks any realistic, or at least story-relevant, character flaws — either that or her "flaws" are obviously meant to be endearing."

Whether Tallis qualifies as a Mary Sue when looking at the above standards is up for debate, but to me, she certainly seemed to lean towards the label on several occasions.

Before I elaborate, let me clarify that I don't hate Tallis. I don't even dislike her - I just don't like the way her character was handled. Tallis received unique armor, a unique skillset, unique features which didn't seem to correspond with any existing ones at all (referring to her looks here) and to top it off, a unique background, mainly making her a female spy following the Qun. Looking past that, she is, of course, incredibly skilled. Not only with daggers, but with deception, charisma, theft, stealth and breaking out of cells as well, all while in the meantime being more impressive than Hawke&Co.

I don't have anything against unique characters. I do, however, have something against characters created to be perfect (or regarding Tallis, at least incredibly appealing), in this case more than probably to draw an audience for Redemption. This doesn't just count for Tallis - it counts for all characters. There's hardly a thing more dull than someone perfect.

That being said, there were still more than enough factors for me to greatly enjoy MotA, with Tallis' nug-mimicking being one of them.

All right. Just played through Mark of the Assassin again, and came to the realization the above statements are probably a result of my skepticism when the DLC was announced.

Now that I've played through MotA a couple of times, skepticism has turned into something more favourable. As stated before, I never hated Tallis, but having interacted with her character more often, I've grown to like her. She's not my favourite and I doubt she ever will be, but she's all right.

The only real issue I have left is that Tallis' voice seems mismatched when put together with the other companions. And no, that is not a sneer at Felicia Day, since I think her voice acting is all right. I can't put my finger on it, but there's something off about the audio. That might just be me, though.

[Teddie Sage]

The only thing that annoyed me about this character is her giraffe-like neck...

[llandwynwyn]

Chiramu wrote...

Simon Pegg is a bigger nerd and much more famous and a way better writer than she is. Why don't Bioware think to ask Simon Pegg to star in one of their games/DLC/expansion.

Because Day is interested in DA, Pegg probably isn't.

Lilunebrium wrote...
since I think her voice acting is all
right. I can't put my finger on it, but there's something off about the
audio. That might just be me, though.

She did a good job but I think the audio quality seems inferior to the others va.

[Lilunebrium]

Teddie Sage wrote...

The only thing that annoyed me about this character is her giraffe-like neck...

All elves have that, though. Usually covered up by a collar or scarf. It's not just Tallis.

[macrocarl]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

A non-drooling Hawke, imo, would be the one who is anti-Qunari invasion, anti-Qunari pillaging-of-Kirkwall, anti-Qunari imposing their will upon a city that is not theirs...but not anti-ALL-Qunari. Since those that follow the Qun do so at various levels, and are each individuals (albeit working towards a collective goal), then to be anti-ALL-Qunari would be foolish and idiotic.

This! You can feel betrayed by Tallis for misleading Hawke but flat out racist Hawke against anything Qunari is a tough sell for me. Why be hareful towards every Qunari you come across? 
I liked Tallis way more than Sebastian.

[Gervaise]

When I replayed MoA, it only made me more annoyed but probably at the writers as much as the character of Tallis. I think they should have called it "Day of the Tallis" (no pun intended) because it was all about her and she knew it. She was smug and condescending. The bit in the prison where we just sit there and then when it suits, she gets up and unlocks the cell. I was a rogue for goodness sake - if she could unlock it then so could I. The whole point, I thought, would have been to have a section featuring my sadly underused companions in a DAO type breakout. Instead we had a short cut scene featuring a bit of amusing banter and then focus back on Tallis. At every possible point she was emphasising how it was her who got us out of there, (with accompanying cut scenes to show off her awesomness) so when it got to the point of making a choice, I decided - hey since you're so good at this - see how you manage on your own. And of course, thanks to the writers, she did. Finally, because I hadn't helped her, there was no option for the scroll (or a kiss that I would never have wanted) but I simply the option for payment. I was insulted because in case Tallis (and the writers) had forgotten, I originally agreed to help because I was told lives were at stake because of someone having something they shouldn't, exactly what led to all that bloodshed with the Arishok in Kirkwall. Then even though I hadn't asked for it, I got given the shiny bauble anyway. Strangely enough, at this point in Hawke's story, with a large bank balance, plenty of shiny baubles and an estate in Kirkwall, random loot isn't my prime motivation in life. I think Varric got a real bad attack of Tallis worship when he told that story.

[rak72]

^ +1

[JamieCOTC]

I actually liked the character of Tallis, but yes, there was something "off" about the voice over. That she was the spotlight instead of Hawke was a bit annoying at times. I could forgive her entrance in Kirkwall, but the scene where she opens up the cell was ridiculous ... especially after failing to unlock a simple door. So, no, I don't hate her. I like her. I just didn't like that Hawke guest starred in his/her own story.

[BubbleDncr]

I think all but one of my characters will want to kill her, and none of them can.

I'll probably buy anything in the future that she's in, only because I have this need to not miss anything. But I'll be WAY happier if next time she shows up, I get the option to kill her or foil her plans in some way.

[Salaya]

 I liked Tallis, but some parts of the presentation of the character were a bit disappointing. Some lines sounded a bit out of place, and humour attempts not always worked properly. That... thing with the nose was awkward.

What surprised me, though, is the inability to fight her. At the end, I really wanted to defy her objectives. Not necessarily kill her, but..., hell, she is a qunari believer (more or less). 

[Inzhuna]

llandwynwyn wrote...

I don't know if I hate her...They tried too hard with her character and she doesn't feel natural. For now, I'm just annoyed.

This really captures how I feel. It does seem like they tried so hard to make her likable and cool it just feels... contrived, I guess. Just not as compelling as the other companions. Plus she really comes across to me as brainwashed and fanatical, but that's YMMV territory, I guess.

I don't like her in the web series either. "We Qunari know how to treat our animals." Seriously, Tallis? Screw you. <_<

[TEWR]

the web series seems to conflict with MotA. In MotA she's having doubts about the Qunari way of life and even has her talking to a mage Hawke without issue but the web series has her painted as incredibly anti-mage.

I guess the real question is this: which comes first in terms of continuity? MotA or Redemption?

[Inzhuna]

^^ That has been bugging me for days.

[Saberchic]

berelinde wrote...

I expected to hate her. After playing the DLC, I found that I merely disliked her strongly. No mean feat, consdidering.

Most of my objections have to do with how speshul she is. She defies all the lore we have seen to date regarding female qunari. OK, so we haven't seen all the lore there is, obviously, but when every qunari we have met to date tells us that women have clearly defined *non-combatant* roles in the Qun and then when a fan-made qunari breaks those rules so she can be a spy who will almost certainly be involved in combat, well, there you go.

I found myself rolling my eyes a lot when she got all the good lines. I loved the jailbreak scene to itty bitty bits... right up until she strolled over, broke Hawke out of jail, and saved the day. Hey, if my companions can be made to look like idiots, she should be made to look like one, too.

She could do everything. Why was it even necessary for my character to use stealth at all when she was always there ahead of him? Couldn't she just super-sneak on ahead, stick a knife in the ribs of everyone in the way, and let us just on with it? But no, she just sat there making impatient comments while Hawke did all the work, then popped on ahead of him at the end. Grrrrrrr.

And why is everybody in the DLC falling all over her? She isn't all that pretty. I wish she had gotten the banter that Aveline/Isabela had: "I don't understand why you're so popular. You aren't all that pretty."/"Spread a wide enough net, you're bound to catch something." That level of honesty would have impressed me far more than the undeserved fanboy squeeage she's received.

Probably the one shining moment in the DLC came when we were trying to get the key from the guards and it was Hawke's charm, not Tallis's that saved the day. It was a brief moment of focusing the attention back upon Hawke, for a change, but it was very, very welcome by that point.

Anyway, I hope that now that she's had her 15 minutes of fame, she can get on with some other project. I REALLY would rather NOT see her again.

^This. 

I wasn't thrilled with this DLC at all. I wish there was a slap Tallis mod like I've seen for Morrigan. 

[TobiTobsen]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

the web series seems to conflict with MotA. In MotA she's having doubts about the Qunari way of life and even has her talking to a mage Hawke without issue but the web series has her painted as incredibly anti-mage.

I guess the real question is this: which comes first in terms of continuity? MotA or Redemption?

If I remember it correctly Felicia Day said that Redemption takes place before MotA.

That would mean she already was demoted once before we see her doing what she thinks is right in MotA. She seems to have a little disobedient streak.