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[TEWR]

Okay that's good. That means that nothing conflicts with anything. She was anti-mage and believed in the Qunari system, but over time she began to have doubts in the Qunari way of life.

That's good. That's character development. My guess is that the elven First she's traveling with will make her question the Qunari way of thinking on mages, which would help explain why she has no qualms about Hawke being a mage and/or traveling with other mages.

Hooray for disobedient Tallis doing rogue unsanctioned Qunari missions!

[TobiTobsen]

Found the arcticle. It was written after an Interview with Felicia Day. The important part regarding the chronology:

With this DLC come new side quests, enemies, character interactions, items, and lore. The DLC is also playable anytime within the original game after the prologue. In the Dragon Age chronology, it's set right after its companion web series, Dragon Age: Redemption, which should be released around the same time.

Source: http://www.destructo...on-212372.phtml

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 18 octobre 2011 - 07:15 .

[LobselVith8]

I don't think it's the fault of Felicia Day or her character Tallis that Hawke and the narrative take a seat to "The Plot Dictates" in MoTA. I think Felicia Day is great in the Guild and in New Vegas as Veronica.

[Raging Nug]

"Hate" is pretty strong. She's as believable a character as any of the DA cast. If you don't like her, I don't think it stands to reason that you would like any of the others.

Day's voice acting was good. There were some really good bits, some parts that lacked a bit of luster, but on the whole I enjoyed her character and MotA.

[Huntress]

IF you guys didn't know dragon age redemption started, I really like it! too bad hawke is not part of it

Chapter 1

Chapter 2

Don't forget to vote guys! and be nice

Modifié par Huntress, 19 octobre 2011 - 04:49 .

[Xilizhra]

Reposting because I didn't see this thread before:
Tallis proves it once and for all: I don't like qunari. I didn't like Sten, I didn't like the Arishok, and I don't like Tallis. If she wasn't part of the secret police for a murderously expansionist regime whose treatment of mages makes Andrastian Circles look like Tevinter, I probably would, but as it stands, that's a bit of a dealbreaker. It doesn't help that I never got a chance to ask her what she thought about the Saarebas issue, and whether she'd even try to justify it.

[BubbleDncr]

As a character, I don't hate Tallis. She's funny, and an interesting addition to the lore - tho, majority of my Hawkes, yes, would for the most part be antagonistic towards her, as she lied to them, and then (in some cases) didn't let them see the scroll.

Tallis's implementation into DA2, however, is what I hate. As IGN put it, it's very "let's roleplay with Felecia Day!" If she had been given the same amount of spotlight as all the rest of Hawke's companions, I would have had no complaints. But as it felt like she was upstaging me, she annoyed the crap out of me, and thus, my Hawkes.

[ReallyRue]

I would have liked my mageHawke to have a good argument with her about how nice the Qunari really are. Also, to steal her scroll.

I don't actually hate her, she just has those rigid beliefs that annoy me about some of the other characters too.

[Raging Nug]

The Qunari are very much like Plato's ideal city state in the sense that they function in accordance to their needs (the Qun), and only to their needs. I think their view of mages is very much a mirror to how we ourselves treat, for instance, homosexuality. It's an anomaly that doesn't fit their purposes, so they work with it as best they can. The fact that mages are people is secondary, because what matters to the Qun is the performance, not the performer.

That said, I like Tallis and Sten. With them, you know what they value and where they stand. I just wish Hawke/The Warden were written in such a way as to show some kind of understanding toward them.

As far as her involvement goes, it was a one-shot DLC. It's not like Sebastian where we get him for most of the game. We get Tallis for all of three hours, so they have to make the best of her. That said, while she does outshine Hawke a little bit, I don't have a problem with more Felicia Day. I'm a fanboy at heart, and I enjoyed it.

[kiti.the.great]

OP:
Yep, I do. And I do not understand the popularity of Felicia Day, who is, in my opinion, simply not very talented and sooo overrated. That intense promotion of her is pretty annoying, especially compared to the quality of DA: Redemption. Which is damn damn damn low.
Tallis is predictable, generic, just boring. And not even funny with her *nose jokes*. :3

[Jessihatt]

I didn't like the character particularly but I'm happy for Felicia Day to be a part of something she loves so much.

But yeah, Tallis. Nah.. Didn't like the jokes, her love of the Qun etc. The whole quest didn't make much sense to me. Didn't get to kill her (not that I would, but I might've... I'd like the choice).
Glad she wasn't a permanent companion.
I watched the first Redemption and the Qunari have scared me immensely and scarred me mentally.. Warden's fall was much, much better IMO.

[DuskWanderer]

Tallis was okay, I think. The banter was fun, the voice acting was fine, and just like a number of other Felicia Day voiced characters, she can really lend an edge of vulnerability to her characters. You see it in Veronica in Fallout, and you see it here with Tallis. In a way, she really does feel lost. Perhaps we'll see more of that in Redemption: My guess is her doubts stem more from the templar than the First, assuming they are the only characters we get, because he's as full of faith and duty as she is to the Qun. Seeing him question might make her question too.

Her arguments about joining the Qun weren't very convincing, I'll admit, but at the very least, she does acknowledge it. One of my major gripes with DA was that it seemed to treat the Qun as if it's the best thing ever, no one ever contradicted it except for insane zealots like Petrice or idiots like Dumar. Having Tallis admit that it doesn't always work was...refreshing. My problem with MotA didn't come from Tallis.

[Lasien]

I don't really understand why so many people detest the chant of light. None of the codex entries say "enslave all mages". What it says it that "magic should not rule man." In other words, control your magic, don't let it control you. Codex-wise, the chant doesn't even say blood magic is evil. It says that using blood magic to control others is evil. If you are using your own blood to augment your mana base, then you aren't harming anyone except yourself. All the bad stuff done to mages in-game is due to someones faulty interpretation of the chant, much like the Spanish Inquisition and the Bible.

And as for the Qun, it creeps me out. There is something wrong with a religion that says "believe this way, do only this one thing, regardless of whether you are good at it or not, or die. Those are your choices."

As for the original question, I haven't played the dlc yet, so I can't give a definitive answer, but I think that tallis will irritate me more than anything. People that continue to do something their superiors tell them to, even when they know it is wrong tend to do that.

[Raging Nug]

I personally dislike the Chantry because, as far as I can tell, it's a reflection of a lot of our own religious traditions. We have a history of holy wars, centuries worth of persecution, and a really messy history. There are good people and bad people, to be sure, and it's entirely possible that bad things would still happen without organized religion, but they wouldn't have religious belief as a uniting banner. You don't need religion to make good people, but it's only with religion that good people do bad things with such conviction.

But that's just me.

The Qun isn't so much a religion as a social paradigm (opinion). If you've read Plato's Republic, you'll see a lot of similarities between what he outlines and what we see in Dragon Age. Fascinating stuff.

[Oswin]

In my first playthrough with Sarcastic Male Hawke and his team of merry a-holes, I did not like her. She was a bit too bland and personality-wise she clashed with my team and their constant mocking of everyone/everything.
When I played it through with my slightly nicer Female Hawke I found I didn't hate her quite so much. She seemed to work a lot better with a team of, well I would say non a-holes but I was with Anders and Carver, one of who seemed to want to plough her, the other she said was not a nice man

So I guess for me it depends on how I play Hawke. I'm not a huge fan but after my second playthrough I certainly didn't hate her. In my third, Hawke got himself some smooching, but seeing as he killed the last one who smooched him that doesn't mean that it was a good thing...

[cihimi]

Yeah. This Tallis is just out of her league when grouped with Hawke and his/her posse. No wonder half of the DLC, Hawke's facial expression was like...wtf is wrong with this poor excuse of a wanna-be qunari? <lol>

[Raging Nug]

VenetianMask wrote...In my third, Hawke got himself some smooching, but seeing as he killed the last one who smooched him that doesn't mean that it was a good thing...

Did someone go and kill herself an Anders?

[Birdhive]

I found myself repulsed by Tallis by the end of my first playthrough of MotA--I only chose to stay and help her because of metagaming reasons--and I hated that. My fairly noble, pleasant Hawke was ticked-off because he was lied to and tricked into a chump plan (hello, why did we even have to enter the stupid chateau--let alone the vault area--if the heart was actually a Tal-Vashoth?). I desperately wanted to tell her to shove off, but against my own urge, I chose to accompany her just to see what the story was about--argh!

By my second playthrough, with my most aggressive Hawke, I was really enjoying the "you're incompetent" type lines that I was able to choose. And I enjoyed leaving her in the caves, with her plaintive cry for "Hawke!". She died during the battle with Leopold, and I did not revive her. Okay, whatever, 'knocked unconscious'. If only she'd remained unconscious a bit longer, so that I could have swiped that list--I bet she was feigning death the whole time!! Grumble. Sten would hate her, I swear. [I'd pay to hear that banter!]

Both of those playthroughs were with Champion Hawkes. I'm in the middle of one in the first act, with a Hawke who has never met a Qunari, who's romanced no-one, and who's sill living in Gamlen's house. I find her more tolerable for this Hawke, so perhaps that has something to do with it. I may have been unintentionally roleplaying too much Amell/Hightown snootiness + Champion smugness + defeated the Arishok satisfaction with the other Hawkes to tolerate her sassy, inappropriate familiarity.

"What are you waiting for?" and "I told you I'd come back!", indeed. She seems to think she and Hawke are friends! As if! Hawke only hangs out with hir friends once a year; Tallis needs to get in line to be penciled-in for a five-minute chat one to three years in the future before she can and Hawke can even banter. She's so presumptuous!

Tallis verdict: boo, not Basalit-an. I would like more murder-knife-meets-Tallis options, or if not the murder knife, at least a big stick, or a coconut. Mark of the Assassin verdict: fun! Tallis' voice: meh, kind of awkward. She doesn't sound Qunari enough--she needs more baritone.

Aside: I am glad to see new mo-cap movements; it's kind of a bummer when all the ladies have the same type of body language and gesture.

[Gervaise]

Have just played through with my gay shadow assassin male Hawke. I find it quite amusing that no allowance is made for the fact that when he flirts with her, he doesn't mean it in the slightest - he is just sending her up. (Isabella discovered this earlier). He only did this when Fenris wasn't about so as not to upset him. (He doesn't get it either) At the end Varric then says that may be Hawke helped her because he was attracted by her (so Varric doesn't get it either). That's the whole thing about flirting - it can be just a tease nothing more.
With regard to her effortless killing of crows at the beginning - actually a shadow assassin Hawke can match that and then some! While everyone else was still deciding what to do, including Tallis, I had my Hawke take out those in the immediate vicinity - the trick is to focus on the ones with the little health bar - it makes you look good - and then use the big attacks on the stronger ones - also makes you look good. So her entrance didn't really impress him much - he knew how it was done.

I probably enjoyed this run through the most because it suited his character much more than my other Hawkes and the dialogue did seem to fit him, particularly the final entrance "I have an excellent sense of dramatic timing, and good hair."

Being able to compare my Hawke assassin with a Qun assassin helped put alot of her hype into perspective - she really isn't that good. No wonder she couldn't have done it without him. We did many of the battles without her, because I didn't want to waste my potions and without me telling her what to do, she invariably seemed to get herself knocked out. I no longer feel such anger towards her because no one listens to Hawke anyway and I wouldn't have wanted Orlais to get that scroll (Ferelden may be). Even if we had been allowed to keep her as a permanent companion, I wouldn't have used her because I already have a team that I generally like to use and if running a rogue Hawke, my second choice dual wielder would be Isabella. She is so much more fun to have around.

[Huntress]

Birdhive wrote...

She doesn't sound Qunari enough--she needs more baritone.

 

Forgive me but I just had to wtflaugh at this.. really... she is a fcking ELF who was brought to the qun when she probably was 10+ years or older.. She can't sound qunari because she is not an actually qunari, she is just an elf that believe/believed that the qun was probably better than what humans and their religion had to offer..

Anyway some of you probably had dought of why this happen and what if hawke talk to the elites of Kirkwall.. well my hawke did in fact mention this elf to Kirkwall Elites:

[Ophir147]

ev0lt wrote...

I cringed evertime she opened her mouth and was very disappointed I could not kill her.

This sums up pretty much my entire experience with Tallis. I played an agressive Hawke, but it surprised me how much I actually ended up killing people because there was something endearing about them (Anders is a big example, I even spared him just so he could atone for his mistakes).

Tallis however is a zealot, moreso than any character that Bioware should be giving plot armor. Not being able to kill her was a very big disappointment in the end; it was the only reason that I agreed to help her (I thought, hey I'll help her save the innocents and then I'll gouge her eyes out).

I like Qunari a hell of a whole lot better as killable "worthy adversaries" than fanfiction quality zealots. 

[LadyVaJedi]

She is an annoying and very narrowed minded.

[Wissenschaft]

Odd to see all the hate. Isn't this any Dragon Age fan's dream come true? I'm happy for Day and thought she did a good job in the DLC. It was a lot of fun to play. I can't blame people for see Tallis as a mary sue but Tallis seemed to fit right in the DA universe so I was fine with it. Learning more about the Qun through Tallis and her attempts at witty dialogue was fun in a campy way. Though I suppose the campy feel is what turns others off.

And how is tallis narrow minded? Though I suppose if she had convictions based on the chantry she'd be hated too. Must be all the anti-religious feelings on the board. Apprently, one cannot have strong convictions without being a zealot. 

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 25 octobre 2011 - 01:33 .

[Xilizhra]

Apprently, one cannot have strong convictions without being a zealot.

The whole point of the Qun is zealotry.

[Wissenschaft]

I thought zealotry was the point of the templars?

It seems that people are hatting on Tallis because they hate the Qun. If you dislike the Qun, that does not effect whether Tallis is an well written character. I don't like the Qun at all but I find the Qunari one of the most interesting parts of DA lore. And as I said, I found Tallis charming in a campy way. I'm a bit confused how shes a zealot. When I think zealot I think of someone like Mother Petrice. 

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 25 octobre 2011 - 02:46 .