During that initial scene in Hightown, I thought, "You had me at hello.", when Tallis made her big entrance killing all of those assassins.
Nothing against Felicia Day, but I never really liked the face capture that they did with Tallis. Also, during some parts of the dlc, Tallis sounded like she was voiced by someone simply reading lines off of a piece of paper with little emotion behind it.
It also strikes me as odd that Tallis, an assassin, doesn't like killing, when that is pretty much what they do.
Despite this, I thought the dlc was fun. I just wasn't a big fan of Tallis.
Does anyone else really hate Tallis?
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#152
Posté 28 octobre 2011 - 11:08
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Arthur Cousland wrote...
During that initial scene in Hightown, I thought, "You had me at hello.", when Tallis made her big entrance killing all of those assassins.
Nothing against Felicia Day, but I never really liked the face capture that they did with Tallis. Also, during some parts of the dlc, Tallis sounded like she was voiced by someone simply reading lines off of a piece of paper with little emotion behind it.
It also strikes me as odd that Tallis, an assassin, doesn't like killing, when that is pretty much what they do.
Despite this, I thought the dlc was fun. I just wasn't a big fan of Tallis.
That never bothers me in a character at all. Quite the opposite in fact. After all, somebody who'll happily kill is basically going to end up a complete monster. Hawke et al usually kill in self-defence, it's rarely random murder. After all, what would have stopped Hawke murdering Meredith or Orsino to facilitate their chosen side in the brewing conflict.
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Posté 28 octobre 2011 - 12:33
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Actually the really odd thing about Tallis' reaction to killing the guard is that she expected him to do anything other than either attack or summon help. You'd think if anyone could understand that it would be a Qunari. His "role" if you please was a guard at the Chateau. He was tasked with defending it from unauthorised intruders. So she says "You do not have to die, just walk away." If he had walked away, did she really think he was any likelier to not wind up dead? For a soldier to abandon their post is a court martial offence - in this world likely leading to summary execution. As it was, he realised that with two against one he might be at a disadvantage and attempted to call out for assistance. Really the only person who had the opportunity to avert bloodshed was Tallis herself, if she felt that bad about it - simply apologise for the intrusion, cite a mistake and leave or come up with a plausible reason for being there. Saying, you don't have to die today immediately implies you shouldn't be there and are going to resort to violence if he objects. So the demonstration of regret was just "crocodile tears". There was no other path he could have followed that was not a betrayal of his role in life.
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Posté 28 octobre 2011 - 01:09
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It just struck me as odd that assassins are supposed to assassinate, and not need to reach for the tissues after a kill. If Tallis was some kind of spirit healer mage, it wouldn't have stuck out as much.
...perhaps I'm just used to Zevran/Isabela enjoying the act of killing/dueling.
...perhaps I'm just used to Zevran/Isabela enjoying the act of killing/dueling.
#155
Posté 28 octobre 2011 - 01:14
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No, Tallis is just not a beleivable character, simple.
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Posté 28 octobre 2011 - 04:59
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Arthur Cousland wrote...
It just struck me as odd that assassins are supposed to assassinate, and not need to reach for the tissues after a kill. If Tallis was some kind of spirit healer mage, it wouldn't have stuck out as much.
...perhaps I'm just used to Zevran/Isabela enjoying the act of killing/dueling.
For me, that scene was just a lead in to the stealth mission.
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Posté 28 octobre 2011 - 05:40
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Gervaise wrote...
Actually the really odd thing about Tallis' reaction to killing the guard is that she expected him to do anything other than either attack or summon help. You'd think if anyone could understand that it would be a Qunari. His "role" if you please was a guard at the Chateau. He was tasked with defending it from unauthorised intruders. So she says "You do not have to die, just walk away." If he had walked away, did she really think he was any likelier to not wind up dead? For a soldier to abandon their post is a court martial offence - in this world likely leading to summary execution. As it was, he realised that with two against one he might be at a disadvantage and attempted to call out for assistance. Really the only person who had the opportunity to avert bloodshed was Tallis herself, if she felt that bad about it - simply apologise for the intrusion, cite a mistake and leave or come up with a plausible reason for being there. Saying, you don't have to die today immediately implies you shouldn't be there and are going to resort to violence if he objects. So the demonstration of regret was just "crocodile tears". There was no other path he could have followed that was not a betrayal of his role in life.
While I am not sure there that Court matierial law exist in our form in Thedas (The laws aren't working so well). I do agree with the rest of this. Why show regret for a man who had no other choice but to shout thieves. If she wanted to spare his life she should have attempted to play a servant. She also shows zero regret for the about ten crows she kills in the intro. In fact she looks like she enjoy showing off in said intro. That wink she gives to the leader before before slicing his troat is the opposite of regret and respect for the man.
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Posté 28 octobre 2011 - 05:51
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Nonsense, she says "I just didn't want to kill him" if you ask her if she's ok, that can't be seen in any other way than what she said.blaidfiste wrote...
Arthur Cousland wrote...
It just struck me as odd that assassins are supposed to assassinate, and not need to reach for the tissues after a kill. If Tallis was some kind of spirit healer mage, it wouldn't have stuck out as much.
...perhaps I'm just used to Zevran/Isabela enjoying the act of killing/dueling.
For me, that scene was just a lead in to the stealth mission.
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Posté 28 octobre 2011 - 06:13
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Actually by court martial I really meant, when Duke Prosper finds out. I don't get the impression that he is a very forgiving man with his subordinates. (The Baron was a different matter because he was of the same social status).
The other daft thing was her statement "not all paths lead to the same destination." Again actually in this case they do, since the "destination" was meant to be the Heart of the Many and since we were trying to steal it, this was likely to bring us into conflict with those people charged with defending it. The destination only changed when she admitted the whole exercise in the Chateau was a ruse. I hated all those quotations from presumably her "teaching", which she seemed to think were profound reflections on our situation. I'd have loved, just once, to say "S**t happens! Get over it."
The other daft thing was her statement "not all paths lead to the same destination." Again actually in this case they do, since the "destination" was meant to be the Heart of the Many and since we were trying to steal it, this was likely to bring us into conflict with those people charged with defending it. The destination only changed when she admitted the whole exercise in the Chateau was a ruse. I hated all those quotations from presumably her "teaching", which she seemed to think were profound reflections on our situation. I'd have loved, just once, to say "S**t happens! Get over it."
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Posté 28 octobre 2011 - 06:35
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Gervaise wrote...
Actually by court martial I really meant, when Duke Prosper finds out. I don't get the impression that he is a very forgiving man with his subordinates. (The Baron was a different matter because he was of the same social status).
The other daft thing was her statement "not all paths lead to the same destination." Again actually in this case they do, since the "destination" was meant to be the Heart of the Many and since we were trying to steal it, this was likely to bring us into conflict with those people charged with defending it. The destination only changed when she admitted the whole exercise in the Chateau was a ruse. I hated all those quotations from presumably her "teaching", which she seemed to think were profound reflections on our situation. I'd have loved, just once, to say "S**t happens! Get over it."
True, I think that too.
I find it realistically enough that Tallis has a 'I want to kill as few people as possible' aaproach, but if that was how she felt then her intro was mood since she was enyoing herself there. Else she ís just very selective about who has a right to be spared and who not and if that is the case she is just a hypocrite.
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Posté 28 octobre 2011 - 07:07
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What she feels is what i don't like about her character.
The central aspect of the qun is certainty, in this case the agents position which she knows will have confrontations. By doubting her role she goes against everything she claims she follows the qun for.
The central aspect of the qun is certainty, in this case the agents position which she knows will have confrontations. By doubting her role she goes against everything she claims she follows the qun for.
#162
Posté 28 octobre 2011 - 09:55
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I just say meh.
I am happy they decided to make a web series. Not happy about the plot so far. But it's a step in the right direction, which is better then nothing at all.
The character, Tallis. To say I dislike her...well that would be like saying I dislike someone because of their religion. So no I don't hate the character, I am annoyed by her views that were taught to her by the Qun.
Felicia Day herself, I don't dislike her either. I only know of her because she was in Buffy for about 5 mins. So far I find her acting a little stale and over exaggerated in the Dragon Age series. Her opinions and views on the game are just like the rest of ours. Opinions. Just cause she's about 5 mins more famous then any of us, doesn't mean she doesn't get the right to have a say about her views. I'm not her biggest fan, but there's no need to sit around bummed out because your jealous you didn't get to do what she did.
This game is all about choices. Why shouldn't she get to have any.
But on the other hand. Bioware basically spoon feeding us the way of Qun and not having any choices during the game that actually affect what we do. Now that I need a dislike button for.
Insert frowny face here....
I am happy they decided to make a web series. Not happy about the plot so far. But it's a step in the right direction, which is better then nothing at all.
The character, Tallis. To say I dislike her...well that would be like saying I dislike someone because of their religion. So no I don't hate the character, I am annoyed by her views that were taught to her by the Qun.
Felicia Day herself, I don't dislike her either. I only know of her because she was in Buffy for about 5 mins. So far I find her acting a little stale and over exaggerated in the Dragon Age series. Her opinions and views on the game are just like the rest of ours. Opinions. Just cause she's about 5 mins more famous then any of us, doesn't mean she doesn't get the right to have a say about her views. I'm not her biggest fan, but there's no need to sit around bummed out because your jealous you didn't get to do what she did.
This game is all about choices. Why shouldn't she get to have any.
But on the other hand. Bioware basically spoon feeding us the way of Qun and not having any choices during the game that actually affect what we do. Now that I need a dislike button for.
Insert frowny face here....
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Posté 28 octobre 2011 - 11:46
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Knight of Dane wrote...
Nonsense, she says "I just didn't want to kill him" if you ask her if she's ok, that can't be seen in any other way than what she said.blaidfiste wrote...
Arthur Cousland wrote...
It just struck me as odd that assassins are supposed to assassinate, and not need to reach for the tissues after a kill. If Tallis was some kind of spirit healer mage, it wouldn't have stuck out as much.
...perhaps I'm just used to Zevran/Isabela enjoying the act of killing/dueling.
For me, that scene was just a lead in to the stealth mission.
Ah you showed concern. This is what I got.
After her speech on paths (which made little sense to me) I'm given the option of proceeding without killing anyone. Fighting was more satisfying though.
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Posté 28 octobre 2011 - 11:54
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Your talking black man, there is a huge difference from playing the game and imagining what it's like, to be allowed to destroy one of the most interesting aspects of its world because you might pull celebrity fans towards the game.
Personally i don't see Felicia Day as any lesser fan, but this Tallis character is seriously a bucket filled with nonsense.
I don't care what she thinks of the game as i guess she doesn't mine.
Besides when you say "this game is about choises" do you seriously mean that and then refer to a crappy series made on a low budged as a choise? It's established canon, everything a good rpg fan should hate.
The web series could have been so much better if more of the fanbase was invloved and not just one fan who might be slightly better at making fanfictions than the rest.
You shouldn't make something if you can't do it right, just see how crappy DA:2 basegame was compared to what the first game was. And every patch they release to try and fix it included new glitches, its seriously just sloppy work.
DA: Redemption is too.
Personally i don't see Felicia Day as any lesser fan, but this Tallis character is seriously a bucket filled with nonsense.
I don't care what she thinks of the game as i guess she doesn't mine.
Besides when you say "this game is about choises" do you seriously mean that and then refer to a crappy series made on a low budged as a choise? It's established canon, everything a good rpg fan should hate.
The web series could have been so much better if more of the fanbase was invloved and not just one fan who might be slightly better at making fanfictions than the rest.
You shouldn't make something if you can't do it right, just see how crappy DA:2 basegame was compared to what the first game was. And every patch they release to try and fix it included new glitches, its seriously just sloppy work.
DA: Redemption is too.
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#165
Posté 28 octobre 2011 - 11:56
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I go through that part fighting with my mages and warriors too.blaidfiste wrote...
Knight of Dane wrote...
Nonsense, she says "I just didn't want to kill him" if you ask her if she's ok, that can't be seen in any other way than what she said.blaidfiste wrote...
Arthur Cousland wrote...
It just struck me as odd that assassins are supposed to assassinate, and not need to reach for the tissues after a kill. If Tallis was some kind of spirit healer mage, it wouldn't have stuck out as much.
...perhaps I'm just used to Zevran/Isabela enjoying the act of killing/dueling.
For me, that scene was just a lead in to the stealth mission.
Ah you showed concern. This is what I got.
After her speech on paths (which made little sense to me) I'm given the option of proceeding without killing anyone. Fighting was more satisfying though.
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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 05:00
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I hate all the DA2 elves equally.
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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 05:13
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i hate tallis and the elf bloodmage in the alienage that killed his wife
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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 08:35
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One of the other things we're constantly being told by Tallis is that we're helping protect innocents, just so you can feel guilty for not helping her. But in a way that soldier was an "innocent". No one explained to him that the break in was justified because we're saving innocents. So he's a soldier and you expect to kill things and risk being killed. Lots of people might join the army because its a steady job and the pay is good and since Orlais isn't at war with anyone currently, you duties mainly involve keeping the peace and stopping bandits and theives. So the guy has a wife and family back home that rely on him - he goes off up country with the Duke and tells his wife not to worry, it's just one of those regular hunting parties, the nobles are the ones taking the risks against the Wyverns, he'll just be doing standard door duty to keep the rif raf out. Then his wife becomes a widow and feels so much better because the assassin "didn't want to do it".
I suppose that is why I preferred Zevran because he was so much more honest about what he did. When you ask him if he has ever killed an innocent, he says is anyone truly innocent? Then he says that if by that you mean bystanders and children, etc, then never deliberately but these things happen, it goes with the job. Zevran would have made a far better Qunari assassin because he understood his "role" in life.
However, Zevran would never choose the Qunari - in fact it would appear that single handedly he is bringing about a reform of the crows since he never chose them either. In fact they forced a role on him because they thought he was suitable for it and if you try to leave, if you are young enough they drag you back and "re-educate" you, if you are older they simply kill you. Before Zevran, no one left the crows and lived. They all supposedly work for the common goals of the Crows too. They have a sense of belonging and a direction in life and for that matter a certainty about what they do.
So what exactly is the difference between the Crows and the Qunari? (I realise there are differences but I am talking about the basic life of a person from the time they are assigned to a role, in both cases as a young child)
I suppose that is why I preferred Zevran because he was so much more honest about what he did. When you ask him if he has ever killed an innocent, he says is anyone truly innocent? Then he says that if by that you mean bystanders and children, etc, then never deliberately but these things happen, it goes with the job. Zevran would have made a far better Qunari assassin because he understood his "role" in life.
However, Zevran would never choose the Qunari - in fact it would appear that single handedly he is bringing about a reform of the crows since he never chose them either. In fact they forced a role on him because they thought he was suitable for it and if you try to leave, if you are young enough they drag you back and "re-educate" you, if you are older they simply kill you. Before Zevran, no one left the crows and lived. They all supposedly work for the common goals of the Crows too. They have a sense of belonging and a direction in life and for that matter a certainty about what they do.
So what exactly is the difference between the Crows and the Qunari? (I realise there are differences but I am talking about the basic life of a person from the time they are assigned to a role, in both cases as a young child)
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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 09:26
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The crows doesn't have artisans and farmers. 
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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 09:52
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While I don't quite hate Tallis I'm not far from it.
Didn't like the character and I thought Felicia's voice acting was quite annoying. Particularly when she did that 'I'm being witty and clever' voice where her voice would raise to a certain pitch then continue on in monotone until she finished her sentence.
Didn't like the character and I thought Felicia's voice acting was quite annoying. Particularly when she did that 'I'm being witty and clever' voice where her voice would raise to a certain pitch then continue on in monotone until she finished her sentence.
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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 09:55
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nynuwe wrote...
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LOL nynuwe i like critics but what you just posted is just ****
Yes, because it is obvious that we all have to sit down and be grateful to have famous faces appear in our video games, and fall for their graces like fish on a hook, yes?
What part of marketing ploy do you not get?
If you wish to be a lamb, I'm not stopping you. But don't expect me to follow suit just because some people are being a sheep when it comes to this DLC. Not everyone likes to see obvious ploys like this and basically make you realize you are just fish for their bait. I actually prefer to remain oblivious to this, and not feel like I'm being sold a product that meets only half my expectations just because it has a famous girl's name on it. I don't buy Pepsi because Britney sang in its commercials. I don't buy DLCs just because Miss Day appears in it. I buy products with their quality in mind. I buy the DLC with the belief it will have good quality compelling story, and character. And this DLC has left me disappointed.
So forgive me if I don't buy into Felicia's Mary Sue.
But maybe perhaps you went in with the opinion she was going to be a 'mary sue'? and because you were so sure you were going to be right then this clouded how you saw her character? im not trying to say flat out you are wrong, but i had never heard of felicia day untill news about redemption (which i did not watch or keep track of) so the first time i had seen anything with her in was when i played MotA, maybe that was a good thing because it made me not biast in any way towards her, and there for talis, and well i thought talis was ok, sure she wasnt a morrigan or alistair or varric, but i felt she was on par with lets say sten (a convienient comparison i believe)
you can say that she only got the job because shes 'famous' (but i could ask 100 people who she is and i bet at least 70% wouldnt know) and that there are far more people with more 'credentials' but thats always the case, there will always be someone who is techincally 'better' but that doesnt mean that she is Bad for it.
Ohh and you shouldnt drink pepsi because 'britney' sang for the comersial, you should drink it because its awsome
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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 11:36
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The problem isn't Felicia, it's the crappy character she has created.
Bioware are excellent at making rpg's, a webseries is not rpg, everyone knew it would be cheap. If Bioware really ment anything with it other than to draw attention they would get real production backing it and actually audition a talented cast instead of just going with whatever someone with a slight audience throws at them.
In my opinion bioware shouldn't try to fix Dragon Age 2 any more, Legacy was a small candybar and aside from Tallis i rather enjoyed Mark of the Assassin too.
It would have tied better in with the story if Tallis had been replaced by say, Athenril or Meeran. Have made it the final mission Hawke performs in their service.
If the DA developers really want to restore their fan's faith towards the product they can make, they should sit down and make a proper expansion, something new rather than just trying to add screws to the old wreck.
Bioware are excellent at making rpg's, a webseries is not rpg, everyone knew it would be cheap. If Bioware really ment anything with it other than to draw attention they would get real production backing it and actually audition a talented cast instead of just going with whatever someone with a slight audience throws at them.
In my opinion bioware shouldn't try to fix Dragon Age 2 any more, Legacy was a small candybar and aside from Tallis i rather enjoyed Mark of the Assassin too.
It would have tied better in with the story if Tallis had been replaced by say, Athenril or Meeran. Have made it the final mission Hawke performs in their service.
If the DA developers really want to restore their fan's faith towards the product they can make, they should sit down and make a proper expansion, something new rather than just trying to add screws to the old wreck.
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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 11:42
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Meeran and Athenriel wouldn't have made sense since they can both be dead past act 1. Tallis makes sense enough, she is just a very hyporcirital character that I can't respect and don't wish to ever have in my team as a companion again. But I liked da2.
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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 12:11
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Read my post again esper, I know very well that they can die before act 1 ends.They always do in my games.
I said that it would have made more sense for it to have Athenril/Meeran and: "Have made it the final mission Hawke performs in their service." Aka. make it happen before act 1 even starts.
I know that would cut out a couple of the companions, but it would tie better in with the story, Athenril and Meeran would know Hawke and s/he would be tied down by their agreement to take part in the mission to start with, plus it could have been a excellent opportunity to show which terms Hawke leaves their service on.
I said that it would have made more sense for it to have Athenril/Meeran and: "Have made it the final mission Hawke performs in their service." Aka. make it happen before act 1 even starts.
I know that would cut out a couple of the companions, but it would tie better in with the story, Athenril and Meeran would know Hawke and s/he would be tied down by their agreement to take part in the mission to start with, plus it could have been a excellent opportunity to show which terms Hawke leaves their service on.
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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 12:15
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Read my post again esper, I know very well that they can die before act 1 ends.They always do in my games.
I said that it would have made more sense for it to have Athenril/Meeran and: "Have made it the final mission Hawke performs in their service." Aka. make it happen before act 1 even starts.
I know that would cut out a couple of the companions, but it would tie better in with the story, Athenril and Meeran would know Hawke and s/he would be tied down by their agreement to take part in the mission to start with, plus it could have been a excellent opportunity to show which terms Hawke leaves their service on.
All right I misunderstood you, but honestely I have no wish to play the before act 1 dlc and I know that my Hawke departs with them on somewhat bad terms, that is enough for me.
