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[Rawgrim]

I like Felicia Day. Didn`t like Talis though. Mostly due to her 50 feet backwards summersault up onto a ledge, just before the final battle. It was so over the top it made me cringe. Still...disliking isn`t the same as hating.

[Alyka]

renjility wrote...
I have to admit I found her very annoying... I've actually never really disliked a character so much. I mean, Anders could be whiny and annoying too, but Tallis... I don't know, I'm not even entirely sure why she annoys me so much, but I think it has to do with the way she talks. "That must be the altar that weird old guy told us about." It feels to... hip and modern for this game. She is supposed to be clever and witty and funny, but I really didn't get the "I got your nose thing". It felt rather forced and she didn't do anything to "get my nose". Those "smart" remarks combined with the supposedly deep remarks about different paths or different destinations or whatever are an odd combination in my opinion, that doesn't really work.I've never heard of Felicia Day before, by the way, and don't really have the ambition to voice in a computer game, so I don't think jealousy is the reason for my disliking of this character.

I didn't find her very annoying, only slightly.But yeah, I agree with you for the most part.I would have at least liked to duel with her or something at the end of MoTA instead of Hawke letting her just walk away.
I have seen Felicia Day 8 years ago in a couple episodes of Buffy the Vampire Slayer series.She played as a new slayer being trained by Buffy and the gang.I tried to watch an episode of The Guild like 2 years ago but I couldn't get into it.

Modifié par Alyka, 09 novembre 2011 - 07:29 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Hmm, I've thought about it for awhile, and after a couple play throughs of MOTA, I find I do, in fact, dislike Tallis.

I don't like her voice acting. I'd never heard of Felicia Day before this game, so I brought no biases with me. So from an objective perspective, it just wasn't very good. I could envision the voice actress reading the lines. I couldn't actually 'see' Tallis the way I see Hawke or Fenris or Isabela.

I don't like her appearance. Her face looks ........ strange. I'm not sure how else to describe it. But I feel embarrassed every time she is in a cut scene with Hawke. I feel embarrassed for the developers or whomever, I guess. Or maybe for Felicia Day? Because now I know they tried to make Tallis look like her. Which is odd, because Felicia Day is really pretty.

And lastly, I dislike her because she's the main character of MOTA and not Hawke. I don't know who this Tallis is, and I didn't bring her through nine years of blood, sweat, and tears in Kirkwall.

So, just some thoughts

Modifié par motomotogirl, 13 novembre 2011 - 09:53 .

[Apathy1989]

Flirting with her is funny, but I don't see a real reason why anyone would. The model they made looks strange, and can't say I'm a fan of Falicia Days voice either if that is how she normally sounds.

I know Tallis is a major part of the DLC, but I really enjoyed the DLC besides/despite her.

[Sabariel]

I don't hate Tallis, but her grunting and screaming and screeching every second during battle did get on my nerves. After a time, I just let her die so I didn't have to listen to her anymore. Yes, I know. I'm a bad person.

[InfinitePaths]

OMG how can't u like her she is my 2nd favourite companion in all of dragon age.And btw dragon age redemtion was awsome,good job felica.

[Gabey5]

she is just blehh

don't want to get in to it but most of her lines were cringworthy

[Sinuphro]

i dun like the qunari. wished she was killable. also wished to had been able to get that list and steam roll those agents of the qun

[Catriana]

Ooo two cents, I can post them here. Before I go into my own reply, I'd just like to say before her character Tallis was introduced into the scene I had absolutely no idea who Felicia Day was (I did not watch Buffy, The Guild, or Dr. Horrible) so I didn't care about the situation either way.

- The Mary Sue Argument: Old meme, sorry. I'm fairly sure I remember something stated that Bioware already had the MotA idea before Felicia Day approached the team, and incorporated Tallis into it, not the other way around. Redemption is its own thing, I do believe.

A character being bad ass does not equate to Mary Sue. All of the characters in your party are bad ass. Now, what did bother me was how even Varric at the end implied Hawke might have helped her because ZOMG teh hawtness, but that has less to do with Tallis and everything to do with the writing. I suppose even if we play our male Hawkes as completely into other men he deep down 'might have' wanted to bone Tallis. Whatever.

- She's annoying/looks down on your companions/LI's: I have seen this argument and find it to be a little funny. She's a Qunari, they all look down on those who don't follow their ways and have a semi-elitist attitude concerning things that don't mesh well with what they believe society should be like. Sten was an outright jerk to you most of the game with his little snide side comments and barbs. They all have this "We're right, you're wrong, even if it doesn't make sense to YOU." mentality and she obviously has spent enough time in their company to have adopted this. The only difference between her and other Qunari is that she is more expressive.

Also, some of the companions ask for it. Both Anders and Fenris, who barely know her, try and 'test' her in their own ways, and she responds in kind. I won't argue that Fenris's accent suddenly sounded worse than it did when he first used the language in Act I, but once again that's not Tallis's fault. The only one I felt it was really unjustified with was Isabela, but she's a Qunari and that takes me back to the beginning of this point.

- She goes against everything we know about the Qun!: And what DO we know, really? We've never actually had our characters be immersed in the full Qunari society, what we know is mostly what we've been told, and if the character is an outsider, why then, would you even give them the full truth of the matter? The biggest argument concerning female warriors in the Qunari is "Well, Sten says it doesn't happen." Well, Sten is one many,  and obviously hadn't interacted with many outside of his own race, even though there are many Qunari who are not kossith at this point. Which is surprising, given as he says he's from Serheron and I'd assume that island would have the largest community of non-kossith Qunari.

I don't think Tallis being Ben-Hassrath is that far of a stretch, it simply depends on where she's from. If she comes from a smaller community of Qunari, the demands of the Qun might suggest someone of her skills be utilized, instead of tossed aside in a role she was not trained in or is proficient in.


So now with all of that out of the way, my opinion on Tallis? I don't like her. Understanding why someone is a certain way doesn't make them any more likable, but I also wanted to prove that not everyone dislikes Tallis for all the standard reasons and even if some do, at least it's looked at objectively first.

I've played the DLC twice, and I would have loved to have swapped her out for Varric or Isabela (preferably Varric), or had her as a straight NPC, for all the good she did me. I play the game on Casual and I found her addition to feel more of a hinderance than a help, even with all the unique abilities given to her. I feel that maybe if some more attention had gone to the companions (especially the LI, who you can make completely jealous and that kinda sucks for them), like the banquet (perfect opportunity) or even the end of the DLC, things would have felt a little more bearable.

I can only assume we'll see more of Tallis(what's the story with her and Leliana, anyway?) in the future and I hope we'll get a better feel of her character then. I don't expect myself to like her, I didn't care much for her character in Redemption, either, and to be honest, there's nothing wrong with disliking a character. Not every character is created to be liked or loved.

And there ends my wall of text. Congrats to you if you read all that.

[Knight of Dane]

Catriana wrote...
- The Mary Sue Argument: Old meme, sorry. I'm fairly sure I remember something stated that Bioware already had the MotA idea before Felicia Day approached the team, and incorporated Tallis into it, not the other way around. Redemption is its own thing, I do believe.

The Idea was to promote the game through a known face. In comes Felicia Day. I can't really see anyone do better nor worse than her, i just think the character was crappy, nontheless.
Anyway, Felicia Day was part of the team who wrote the DLC, if she was in on it before they decided her character should be in it, i have no idea.

[Catriana]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Catriana wrote...
- The Mary Sue Argument: Old meme, sorry. I'm fairly sure I remember something stated that Bioware already had the MotA idea before Felicia Day approached the team, and incorporated Tallis into it, not the other way around. Redemption is its own thing, I do believe.

The Idea was to promote the game through a known face. In comes Felicia Day. I can't really see anyone do better nor worse than her, i just think the character was crappy, nontheless.
Anyway, Felicia Day was part of the team who wrote the DLC, if she was in on it before they decided her character should be in it, i have no idea.

Why is it so hard to believe that the idea might have already been there, and then when it actually came time they asked her to be a part of it while they sorted out particulars? It could have been a "Hey, we want to do a Orlesean-themed DLC for DA II" and then Felicia Day comes in asking all her questions and getting involved and they decide to have her be a part of that team? That doesn't sound far-fetched, it's more like coincidence and opportunity.

[esper]

I didn't like Tallis for some very simle reasons:
1. One she is a qunari and act like one, furthermore I played it in act 3 and post-game (which means act 3) and that meant that all my Hawkes at that point have had to deal with the Arishok - none of them liked being able to be tricked into helping a qunari. Also I got the impression that Tallis was trying to convince my Hawke of the qun's superiority which Hawke didn't appreciate.
2. The only person I have seen my Hawke as mad at, as she was at Tallis, was Meridith in On The Loose. That says a lot, considering that my main Hawke is diplomatic.
3. Tallis inconcistent respect of people life. In the intro we see her killing about ten crows (whose job it is to assassinate Hawke), she even winks at their leader before slithing his throat - that is not respect for life. Yet she says that the guard had another option. No, he didn't, he was a guard and we were thieves who shouldn't be there. He was suppossed to yell for back-up and hinder us in coming through, that is the whole point of guarding.
4. Her personallity, she was just unpleasant to every member of the team with the expection of Hawke. And with the way it turned out I can't help, but think that the later only was because she needed Hawkes help.
In short I wish never to see Tallis again. We properly will because she is 'Isabella-awesome', but if we see her again I hope it will be in da3 and not in da2, because my Hawke made it very clear that if they crossed paths again, she wouldn't keep showing mercy.

[Knight of Dane]

Catriana wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

Catriana wrote...
- The Mary Sue Argument: Old meme, sorry. I'm fairly sure I remember something stated that Bioware already had the MotA idea before Felicia Day approached the team, and incorporated Tallis into it, not the other way around. Redemption is its own thing, I do believe.

The Idea was to promote the game through a known face. In comes Felicia Day. I can't really see anyone do better nor worse than her, i just think the character was crappy, nontheless.
Anyway, Felicia Day was part of the team who wrote the DLC, if she was in on it before they decided her character should be in it, i have no idea.

Why is it so hard to believe that the idea might have already been there, and then when it actually came time they asked her to be a part of it while they sorted out particulars? It could have been a "Hey, we want to do a Orlesean-themed DLC for DA II" and then Felicia Day comes in asking all her questions and getting involved and they decide to have her be a part of that team? That doesn't sound far-fetched, it's more like coincidence and opportunity.

I didn't say that.

[MagmaSaiyan]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Catriana wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

Catriana wrote...
- The Mary Sue Argument: Old meme, sorry. I'm fairly sure I remember something stated that Bioware already had the MotA idea before Felicia Day approached the team, and incorporated Tallis into it, not the other way around. Redemption is its own thing, I do believe.

The Idea was to promote the game through a known face. In comes Felicia Day. I can't really see anyone do better nor worse than her, i just think the character was crappy, nontheless.
Anyway, Felicia Day was part of the team who wrote the DLC, if she was in on it before they decided her character should be in it, i have no idea.

Why is it so hard to believe that the idea might have already been there, and then when it actually came time they asked her to be a part of it while they sorted out particulars? It could have been a "Hey, we want to do a Orlesean-themed DLC for DA II" and then Felicia Day comes in asking all her questions and getting involved and they decide to have her be a part of that team? That doesn't sound far-fetched, it's more like coincidence and opportunity.

I didn't say that.

its been said, Felicia wrote the script of Redemption and had no part in writing for MotA(to my knowledge) just HER character's voice, moves and background being part of the dlc.

[Catriana]

I remembered reading/hearing something about how they pulled Felicia Day into the MotA project that they already had plans for, but I couldn't remember where I had seen/heard it. I'm glad I'm not the only one who knows about it.

[Knight of Dane]

Hm, it seems not. I think i remember a article that stated she had been in on the writing, but i can't fin it again.

Anyway, on her blog(scroll down) she doesn't mention if she wrote any of it, just that she acted the part.

Anyway: I don't mind Felicia Day acting in Redemption, that project was doomed from the beginning, but i don't fancy her in my games simply because Tallis is a crap character and honestly i don't find her looks to suit that of a elf character in general. (I don't really know if anyone would look good as a Dragon Age elf in-game, but still)

Honestly it's not so much about Felicia being the role, aside from it all being messy i would really much rather keep the games as games and let characters from any series stay where they are. Mixing it up is hell, and i only care for the games. Having Tallis in the game feels like pressing Redemption down my throat if i want to make a honest opinion about it all, which i have also come arounf to actually watch, mind you, so i can feel like my opinion isn't biased on the DLC alone.

[Tryynity]

I havent played MotA as yet - getting there but i just wanted to pipe in and say -
1.  I think using a known celebrity is a smart choice for marketing if it mulitplys the bucks - BIOWARE do not make games to entertain ppl - they do it for the bucks.  but of course if your entertainment level dropped because of that choice they did indeed miss the mark (no pun intended - althought its kinda sweet )

2. I was a bit miffed at first that it wasnt Zevran cast as the Assassin but then again not many ppl reacted well to his 'new look' - although he still managed to charm me in the end - so he is still the same Zev under all the plastic surgery

3. I like Felicia Day - she has a real talent and she actually inspires me - alot.  I think she would be a really nice person IRL too - many celebs cannot make that claim.

I may have a far different opinion after I actually play through it - but I have enjoyed everything else she has done so far on the Net.

PS - I hate the term 'Mary Sue' it is way overused and misunderstood term that ppl like to use so they sound like they know what they are talking about.  I wonder  if the same ppl have actually taken the time to do a litmus test for Tallis character or any other character they accuse of such, before they throw it out there.

/just sayin

Modifié par Tryynity, 19 novembre 2011 - 08:17 .

[labargegrrrl]

i hafta say, after seeing all episodes of Redemption, that I dislike her less in MoTA. and her actions in MoTA seem to make both more and less sense in a weird way.

[Knight of Dane]

Except that MotA doesn't have anything ot do with Redemption..

[Gervaise]

I thought Redemption was meant to take place prior to MoA and actually acts like a prolonged trailer for it, bearing in mind at the end of each episode you are invited to learn more about Tallis in MoA. Thus one must assume that she managed to talk her way out of any difficulties over "failing" in her mission in Redemption but makes her behaviour in MoA less understandable in a way as she must now be on "very thin ice", with her superiors. Since she is still defending the qunari way in MoA, she is obviously not yet Tal'Vashoth but I have no idea why not since she is clearly so at odds with the thinking of the Ariqun. If she turns up in future DLC or DA3 as a companion and is still peddling the qunari line I shall be very disappointed - as a Tal'Vashoth she might be just bearable.

[thedancingdruid]

*Unnecessary*

Modifié par thedancingdruid, hier, 04:01 .

[Tryynity]

Of course all the ppl that feel the need to criticise other peoples efforts are so very qualified because of all the wonderful creations they have out there on the worldwide web for evey one to admire their brilliance...

Post a link - Id love to watch your webseries or read something you have written
 
- that'd be awesome if you would pls

Modifié par Tryynity, 20 novembre 2011 - 02:32 .

[ThePhoenixKing]

Inzhuna wrote...

llandwynwyn wrote...

I don't know if I hate her...They tried too hard with her character and she doesn't feel natural. For now, I'm just annoyed.

This really captures how I feel. It does seem like they tried so hard to make her likable and cool it just feels... contrived, I guess. Just not as compelling as the other companions. Plus she really comes across to me as brainwashed and fanatical, but that's YMMV territory, I guess.

I don't like her in the web series either. "We Qunari know how to treat our animals." Seriously, Tallis? Screw you. <_<

Just throwing my hat into the ring, that's basically my problem with Tallis in a nutshell; Bioware tried too hard to make her a likeable breakout character. We're supposed to like Tallis and find her interesting, multidimensional and likeable, but it's done in a very ham-fisted and unconvincing manner, and ends up becoming grating by the end. It's much in the same way that Blizzard has really pushed Varian Wrynn or JK Rowling ended up using Ginny Weasley, it's like a small child going on and on and on and on about how this character is so great, and they have all these cool abilities, and they;re really good-looking and oh, why won't you please like her? If they had taken a bit of a softer touch with Tallis, then I might be more inclined to like her, and while I don't utterly despise the character, I wouldn't want to see her in any further Dragon Age installment or DLC.

Beyond that, I just found her really preachy and nagging. After playing though both paths at the end of MotA, I now prefer the one without Tallis, as if nothing else we're spared her insipid attempts at evangelizing us into the Qun, and how everything is great when you have a bunch of grumpy ox-people telling you what to do and throwing mages in medieval iron bondage gear. Sebastian could be preachy, but at least the other characters would call him out on this. Why must Tallis' always have the last word? Also, why can't I hang out and chat with Leliana, who''s a lot more interesting character than her? (Seriously, Bioware, I would definitely buy any Dragon Age 2 DLC centered around Leliana. I'd buy eight.

Anyways, just my humble opinion.