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[Xewaka]

Cephalopods wrote...
From Mass Effect Wiki:

Biotics are virtually unknown in the salarian military. Those with such abilities are considered too valuable to be used as cannon fodder and are assigned to the intelligence services.

So why are they letting us play as Salarian biotics?

Salarian Tasks Group is part of the intelligence services AND the main line troops of the Salarians. I could see Biotic Mordin kicking ass.

[Spartanburger]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

I'm going to agree with the ground combat thing. While there are Quarian marines like Kal-Reegar, the Quarians are A) insular and  are ill-suited for ground combat because of the potential for contracting infections, etc. Furthermore, Quarians aren't really allies either. Every other race essentially views the Migrant Fleet as a pox, wanting them out of their systems ASAP when they do show up.They also lack representation on the Council as far as I know. Tali seems to be an unusual case.

I also have to agree on the Batarian thing - they're out enemies, not our allies. It doesn't seem logical to have them be a playable co-op race. Whatever your issues with Drell and Thane and how that all happened, they do serve and live with the Hanar. Since the function as hands for the Hanar in a way, at least it makes sense that they might participate on behalf of the Hanar.

I would argue that the Quarians are the least insular, or that they should be. Generally, the rest of the galaxy is extremely insular towards them and their pilgramidge should make them far more understanding of other cultures than one might assume. But, being treated like crap throughout their pilgramidge could lead to a feeling of distrust and dislike towards other races, so I would say that they are not insular, just far more friendly and social towards their own species and tend to avoid contact with other races who they see as spiteful towards them.

Now they are ill suited for a stand up fight. Any puncture in their suit could lead to death so the only real armor they would be able to use is their shields. Now, I would argue that a Quarian as a tech/support combat class, one that is not necessarily on the front lines, but being nearby and assisting those who are by disrupting/stealing shields, hacking mechs, overloading electronics and the all important drone would be extremely useful.

Now I would see Quarians as being politically neutral towards Humans, but as a society more against them due to possible negative experiences on pilgramidges.
BioWare has stated that we will unlock a races playablility once we earn their allegiance in single player, so perhaps once we have made them allies it would be much more likely to have one playable.
Same goes for Batarians, although I have no idea how to mend that gap.

And I agree that the Drell may assist on behalf of the Hanar.

[Someone With Mass]

Xewaka wrote...

Cephalopods wrote...
From Mass Effect Wiki:

Biotics are virtually unknown in the salarian military. Those with such abilities are considered too valuable to be used as cannon fodder and are assigned to the intelligence services.

So why are they letting us play as Salarian biotics?

Salarian Tasks Group is part of the intelligence services AND the main line troops of the Salarians. I could see Biotic Mordin kicking ass.

Fun fact: It was implied that Mordin was supposed to be a biotic at first, but then they removed it, probably because we already have like five biotics on the team.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 15 octobre 2011 - 01:48 .

[AtreiyaN7]

Spartanburger wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

I'm going to agree with the ground combat thing. While there are Quarian marines like Kal-Reegar, the Quarians are A) insular and  are ill-suited for ground combat because of the potential for contracting infections, etc. Furthermore, Quarians aren't really allies either. Every other race essentially views the Migrant Fleet as a pox, wanting them out of their systems ASAP when they do show up.They also lack representation on the Council as far as I know. Tali seems to be an unusual case.

I also have to agree on the Batarian thing - they're out enemies, not our allies. It doesn't seem logical to have them be a playable co-op race. Whatever your issues with Drell and Thane and how that all happened, they do serve and live with the Hanar. Since the function as hands for the Hanar in a way, at least it makes sense that they might participate on behalf of the Hanar.

I would argue that the Quarians are the least insular, or that they should be. Generally, the rest of the galaxy is extremely insular towards them and their pilgramidge should make them far more understanding of other cultures than one might assume. But, being treated like crap throughout their pilgramidge could lead to a feeling of distrust and dislike towards other races, so I would say that they are not insular, just far more friendly and social towards their own species and tend to avoid contact with other races who they see as spiteful towards them.

Now they are ill suited for a stand up fight. Any puncture in their suit could lead to death so the only real armor they would be able to use is their shields. Now, I would argue that a Quarian as a tech/support combat class, one that is not necessarily on the front lines, but being nearby and assisting those who are by disrupting/stealing shields, hacking mechs, overloading electronics and the all important drone would be extremely useful.

Now I would see Quarians as being politically neutral towards Humans, but as a society more against them due to possible negative experiences on pilgramidges.
BioWare has stated that we will unlock a races playablility once we earn their allegiance in single player, so perhaps once we have made them allies it would be much more likely to have one playable.
Same goes for Batarians, although I have no idea how to mend that gap.

And I agree that the Drell may assist on behalf of the Hanar.

Ahem, I would argue that the Quarians are pretty insular - they keep to themselves and their ships as much as possible. Short of their rite of passage into adulthood where they're supposed to go out and experience things, they pretty much seem to stick with their own kind. How many people ever visit their ships/fleet? Not many, other than Shepard (although you can count the Grayson incident). Hmm, if we unlock races based on the allegiance as indicated, that's interesting.

Oh, and I do agree that a Quarian's tech skills would be an asset like with Tali. I'm sure they'd be helpful on the engineering side of things if you hypothetically want to set up turrets or something if that were an option in co-op. I don't hate Quarians at all, unlike some of my friends. However, politically, they're kind a non-entity and aren't much of a factor on the galactic stage. They are, on the whole, treated pretty disrespectfully by other species most of the time it seems. But hey, who knows.I suppose ME3 could change things for them, especially if they regain their homeworld. Who knows what will happen!

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 15 octobre 2011 - 02:00 .

[Mako Zalos]

Spartanburger wrote...
BioWare has stated that we will unlock a races playablility once we earn their allegiance in single player, so perhaps once we have made them allies it would be much more likely to have one playable.
Same goes for Batarians, although I have no idea how to mend that gap.

Whoah whoah whoah when was it stated that races are playable after you gain their allegiance? I don't usually say this but link please.

[Spartanburger]

Mako Zalos wrote...

Spartanburger wrote...
BioWare has stated that we will unlock a races playablility once we earn their allegiance in single player, so perhaps once we have made them allies it would be much more likely to have one playable.
Same goes for Batarians, although I have no idea how to mend that gap.

Whoah whoah whoah when was it stated that races are playable after you gain their allegiance? I don't usually say this but link please.

https://twitter.com/...273813310554113

"DawnTreader_LMB Leandro M. Braz
@gtez Will the Single affect the Coop? Example: To play as Krogan in the coop I need to gain them as Allies in the single.."

"@gtez
Jesse 'GTez' Houston
@DawnTreader_LMB Yep! More info to come soon sir."

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Ahem, I would argue that the Quarians are pretty insular - they keep to themselves and their ships as much as possible. Short of their rite of passage into adulthood where they're supposed to go out and experience things, they pretty much seem to stick with their own kind. How many people ever visit their ships/fleet? Not many, other than Shepard (although you can count the Grayson incident). Hmm, if we unlock races based on the allegiance as indicated, that's interesting.

Ah. I do believe my googles definition of Insular was incorrect then. My bad.

Modifié par Spartanburger, 15 octobre 2011 - 02:16 .

[Zanallen]

Quarians are terrible ground troops and Batarians have suffered a rather sudden population decline due to Reaper invasion. We need Geth though.

[AtreiyaN7]

@Spartan - no problemo.

[Drone223]

Quarians won't last long in a firefight due to their weak immune system and besides the only Quarian that people will play in MP is Kal'Reegar who is the Quarian answer to Chuck Norris

Modifié par Drone223, 15 octobre 2011 - 02:29 .

[Xewaka]

Drone223 wrote...
Quarians won't last long in a firefight due to their weak immune system and besides the only Quarian that people will play in MP is Kal'Reegar who is the Quarian answer to Chuck Norris

You have your references wrong.
Kal'Reegar is the Quarian Animal Mother.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

I know, right? This bugs me too.

[Andy379]

Sweet Asari Commandos

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm confident there are story reasons behind the quarians' unavailability in co-op.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 15 octobre 2011 - 05:18 .

[ADLegend21]

Dasher1010 wrote...

Why did the devs give us drell instead of quarians for MP and only six races. Same goes for Batarians. There better be a VERY good plotline explanation for why both of these races aren't playable.

Quarians suck in firefights (when not properly plot armored like Tali) and Batarians have a government that prohibits citizens from leaving their space besides the various batarian terroirst groups that is.

but then again, what are you gonna do not get the OPTIONAL content they give you?

[Mako Zalos]

Modifié par Mako Zalos, 15 octobre 2011 - 06:38 .

[Mako Zalos]

Spartanburger wrote...

Mako Zalos wrote...

Spartanburger wrote...
BioWare has stated that we will unlock a races playablility once we earn their allegiance in single player, so perhaps once we have made them allies it would be much more likely to have one playable.
Same goes for Batarians, although I have no idea how to mend that gap.

Whoah whoah whoah when was it stated that races are playable after you gain their allegiance? I don't usually say this but link please.

https://twitter.com/...273813310554113

"DawnTreader_LMB Leandro M. Braz
@gtez Will the Single affect the Coop? Example: To play as Krogan in the coop I need to gain them as Allies in the single.."

"@gtez
Jesse 'GTez' Houston
@DawnTreader_LMB Yep! More info to come soon sir."

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Ahem, I would argue that the Quarians are pretty insular - they keep to themselves and their ships as much as possible. Short of their rite of passage into adulthood where they're supposed to go out and experience things, they pretty much seem to stick with their own kind. How many people ever visit their ships/fleet? Not many, other than Shepard (although you can count the Grayson incident). Hmm, if we unlock races based on the allegiance as indicated, that's interesting.

Ah. I do believe my googles definition of Insular was incorrect then. My bad.

Sorry have to re post something screwed up. Thanks for the link Spartan.

[Labrev]

 It's kinda lame how they gave the nod for the 6th race to one that's going extinct which we've seen a grand total of three of in the whole game.


Drell are slowly become the new asari in my eyes.

[_NF_Von_Lipwig]

It would be weird if the Quarians weren't playable, especially if the drell ARE. In the entire ME series (games and novels, comics excluded as I can't comment on those) there's only two drell: thane and his son. There are dozens of Quarians. Their models and animations are already in the game (they share turian and geth body structure) so that's not an excuse either.


I'll still massively enjoy the game, but if Quarians turn out not to be payable in

[_NF_Von_Lipwig]

...Mp, I will be rather disappoint.


(accidentally hit "submit", and can't edit on phone)

[century_killa]

 AtreiyaN7 wrote....

I also have to agree on the Batarian thing - they're out enemies, not our allies. It doesn't seem logical to have them be a playable co-op race. Whatever your issues with Drell and Thane and how that all happened, they do serve and live with the Hanar. Since the function as hands for the Hanar in a way, at least it makes sense that they might participate on behalf of the Hanar.

WRONG!! The Batarians are not our Enemy... Why does everyone keep assuming they are the enmy?? Oh because "some" of them became terrorist... Wow good observation. Listen I'm not trying to be rude with you or anyone. But who ever thinks the Batarians are our enemy is pretty far off, and I fear for them when it comes to real life. "Hey look he's muslim so I should report him to the police" NO THAT'S JUST BEING RACIST!!  
Sure they are not with the Alliance or the Citidel. BUT the Krogan aren't Either!!! and they have terrorist/ merc bands that kill humans. So are the Korgan our enemy as well??

Sorry Sorry... I know it's just a game. but give the Batarians a chance. I think they will make a great asset to helping us fight the reapers. 

Same rule applies with the Geth. but I bet Bioware will just make them DLC options. Which I find very greedy of them to do. =____="


-Female Turians for ME3 <3 lol

Modifié par century_killa, 15 octobre 2011 - 09:05 .

[LOLandStuff]

Aren't the batarians the first to be attacked by Reapers? I thought so since their systems are in the way up to Earth. I'm sure they would have helped...or perhaps not. There are plenty of possibilities as to how they would react. Either sit around and wait believing the Reapers will only attack Citadel Space. Or be tricked by Reapers, no need for indoctrination if they tell them they'll get rid of humans for them, then get slaughtered.
But it would've been nice if the batarians joined. Sadly, I think the Reapers got them first.

[TobyHasEyes]

If it wasn't for the Krogan, I would assume it was a 'Citadel Space' thing

[bobdooly]

century_killa wrote...

 AtreiyaN7 wrote....

I also have to agree on the Batarian thing - they're out enemies, not our allies. It doesn't seem logical to have them be a playable co-op race. Whatever your issues with Drell and Thane and how that all happened, they do serve and live with the Hanar. Since the function as hands for the Hanar in a way, at least it makes sense that they might participate on behalf of the Hanar.

WRONG!! The Batarians are not our Enemy... Why does everyone keep assuming they are the enmy?? Oh because "some" of them became terrorist... Wow good observation. Listen I'm not trying to be rude with you or anyone. But who ever thinks the Batarians are our enemy is pretty far off, and I fear for them when it comes to real life. "Hey look he's muslim so I should report him to the police" NO THAT'S JUST BEING RACIST!!  
Sure they are not with the Alliance or the Citidel. BUT the Krogan aren't Either!!! and they have terrorist/ merc bands that kill humans. So are the Korgan our enemy as well??

Sorry Sorry... I know it's just a game. but give the Batarians a chance. I think they will make a great asset to helping us fight the reapers. 

Same rule applies with the Geth. but I bet Bioware will just make them DLC options. Which I find very greedy of them to do. =____="


-Female Turians for ME3 <3 lol

Because the Hegemony funds the slavers and terrorist to make the Verge not worth the trouble for the Alliance. When the Hegemony left the Council in protest of the Aliance officially getting the Verge, that's a pretty big sign someone is butthurt. The whole "Arrival" thing didn't help either.

EDIT: Weren't they targeted first by the Reapers anyway being the closest to Earth and the alpha relay being in Batarian space?

Modifié par bobdooly, 15 octobre 2011 - 01:04 .

[Iron Star]

aiDvEoN wrote...

My guess is 1. EA wanted the committee designed fangirl bait in there, thus, drell and 2. There's the possibility for jerkass players to let the quarians get wiped out during the single player campaign.

Isn't that possible for almost every race? I know this hasn't been confirmed but at least drell should be possible to wipe out (I think). Also, there's only about 100 k drell left in existence, so why should it be possible for an infinite amount of players to play drell at the same time?

I'm not against drell or anything, just be part of the discussion here;P Also, hoping that we'll be able to play drell female. <3

[Onyx T85]

where did they say which ones were in and which were out?