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[Jedi Master of Orion]

I think they probably could to be honest. If they fought the combined forces of all humans nations for 150 years to what was essentially a strategic draw, I don't see a crumbling Tevinter Imperium being the ones to hold them off by themselves if the Qunari arrived in force.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 16 octobre 2011 - 06:26 .

[CrimsonZephyr]

The solution is darkspawn. Smuggle some broodmothers into Qunandar.

[blothulfur]

The ingenuity and discipline of the mind of the Qunari is unmatched, it seems that almost every day in Par Vollen a new invention or a better approach to old problems is brought before us by the Arigena. Unlike the slave empires we allow our best and brightest to excel in their innovation and inventiveness, we seek nothing less than perfection as the Qun tasks us to do and thus the wheels of progress are never stilled. Any bas who say they are lie, as they regress further into barbarity with every tick of the clock.

You are forgetting as you sit on your thrones and feast that the Qun offers equality, freedom, safety and contentment for all, not the illogical favour of the fat inbred and those blessed by a non existent god. Your people who you neither protect or provide for would welcome the chance to serve as they are suited to, full bellies for once in their lives and the strong shield of the law protecting them from the evil slavery and wrongdoing that you have built your soiciety upon.

The question is not how to beat the Qunari, the question is why would you even wish to. The answer is all too clear, in your corrupt "noble" minds you desperately seek to hold on to your slaves, your wealth and your lands so that you may lie in decadent glory while the rest starve. Clad in shining coats of mail you swoop down upon the common folk to terrorise and steal, spitting your venomous lies of freedom, religion and honour into their ears so that they are entranced while you take all they have and hold dear. Dragons slithering about on their bellies, tainting all they see about them as they did in ancient Tevinter.

We will break the spell that holds your slaves in servitude with the first roar of our cannon and your weak undisciplined mages will be torn apart by our leashed brethren who have long studied and sought excellence in the lyrium taint. Your evil reign must and will end.

Modifié par blothulfur, 16 octobre 2011 - 09:26 .

[GodWood]

We should submit.

[alex90c]

If the Qunari are as stupid as they were in DA2, defeating them should be a cakewalk.

[Gervaise]

Ignoring the propaganda of the pro-Qunari poster, I notice Sith Grey Warden suggests that the Qunari are now unleashing their mages. Is this something from the Webseries? I have seen no evidence in game to suggest that the Qunari are allowing mages to be unrestrained. Those who have become Tal'vashoth may have been but they are rebels against the system.

Although it is not entirely clear from in game conversations, it would appear that Salit in MoA is meant to be a high ranking defector from the Qun but this is far from certain (since the list may not be genuine just as the Gaatlok plans were not genuine) and we were not given any reason why this would be so. If he was a high ranking defector, I assume this accounts for Tallis having doubts about her faith.

Regardless of my feelings about the Chantry, I would fight to my last breath to prevent the Qun taking over Thedas, though if individual Qun wished to live peaceably with their neighbours, that is a different matter. I was wondering, with regard to the Sleeper cells, what happens when they have children? Under the Qun philosophy, they are removed from their parents and taught centrally but if people suddenly started sending their children away, their neighbours might be rather suspicious and if they stay within the community, then they are going to be under all those unhealthy outside influences. Also children tend not to be terribly discrete and diplomatic, so essentially the parents are going to have to pretend not to mind about this or risk their conversion becoming common knowledge.

[blothulfur]

Truth is now propaganda, only to bas slavers.

[KJandrew]

The Qunari are unleashing their mages slightly. Magi in the Ben-Hassrath are are allowed to work unattended and free from an Arvaard, though others are still wary around them.

[Anvos]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I think the Qunari's lack advancement is just once again a necessary trope for a Fantasy story. Trying to determine why the Chantry or the dwarves or the qunari don't have advanced technology after centuries from an in universe is unnecessary and futile. Otherwise you're going to find that for some reason every society in the world has some sort of technological regression.

For the natives of Thedas there are reasons technology and sciences have been slow to stalled.
1. Blights that almost ruin nations and leave wide expanses of land barren, tend to slow developement.
2. Tevintar was like Thedas' Rome and when the old Imperium broke apart it took away some of the greatest achievements and seems to have caused a dark ages of sorts (when combined with the blights).
3. The Chantry
4. Dwarves have what is essentially a crumbling empire, where over 1,000 years of survialism have robbed them of many of their greatest minds and advances.  (Along with the fact that most dwarves are stuck looking at the past instead of the future.)

The qunari however don't have a good reason for their lack of or slow advancement in the last 300 years of war. 

[Wulfram]

Is Thedas technological advancement slow to stalled? I mean, they're 800 years since the equivalent of the fall of the roman empire, and they've got late medieval technology. Sounds like they're about on the same pace as Europe was.

[TheCreeper]

Qunari have a very rigid society, which probably slows down technological advancment a lot.

edit: the problem with Thedas is it seems like most of the best weapons are the ones that are like over 500 years old.

Modifié par TheCreeper, 16 octobre 2011 - 02:46 .

[Wulfram]

Vigilance is modern. And of course technology isn't necessarily the same as magic

[naledgeborn]

TheCreeper wrote...

Qunari have a very rigid society, which probably slows down technological advancment a lot.

What people on the BSN seem to forget is that Qunari (Kossith) aren't human. The inflexible societal norms imposed by the Qun could very well be a system compatible with Kossith biology. Where Humans would see oppression and slavery Kossith would see order and efficiency. To them this is a system under which they can flourish, and judging by their technology they have. This would explain why they're so bewildered by the chaos tied to Human behavior. 

And I believe that the Arigena would actively encourage scientific advancement. They even have their own word and role for scientist - Ashkaari.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 16 octobre 2011 - 03:02 .

[TheCreeper]

I got the impression that the Kossith are normally very passionate and rage filled so the Qun is what they need to keep themselves in line. If they encourage scientific advancment I got to wonder why they apparently haven't advanced in 300 years. The first cannon was used in like what the late 1200s? By the 1500s there had been a fair bit of technological advancement (at least when it comes to cannons and guns). The Qunari have had the same amount of time (and they are fighting all the time, which is the kind of thing that encourages tech development) and near as we can tell there hasn't been that much development technololgy wise for the qunari.

[blothulfur]

We are immigrants from a far land who came to the shores of Par Vollen with nothing and yet we have advanced technologically, socially and morally every year we have dwelt here. Many years ago we fought all of your backwards kingdoms to a standstill alone and unaided, until the cost in innocent lives levied by your zealots became too much and we withdrew to halt that slaughter.

Medicine, science, agriculture, architecture and many more fields of study have we excelled in so that we might better our lot and the bas will soon see the fiercesome weapons of war that we have developed since we last met you in battle. While you regress into barbarity and parrot pathetic excuses as to why you refuse to improve your lot we Qunari task ourselves with betterment through focused application of our intellect, ability and determination.

Whine of your setbacks and of our percieved flaws all you will, soon all Thedas shall be shaken by our strength.

[DPSSOC]

Two words, civilian strikes. I know we don't like this but hear me out. The Qunari roles are their greatest weakness. The singular focus, while making them exceptionally effective at what they do, renders them completely useless with anything they don't. Their soldiers can't be anything but soldiers (they don't know how), their smiths can't be anything but smith's (they don't know how), etc. So Thedas goes on the offensive, kill their farmers, their smiths, their inventors, etc. Cut off food, military production, and innovation and they'll die.

[blothulfur]

Good luck navigating the seas to Par Vollen in your little boats when our dreadnoughts have cannon that can fire as far as the horizon. Tevinter has tried with their weak weather magics to take the seas from us, they have always failed.

But it is no suprise that the bas would seek to strike at the innocent and not face soldiers, cowards that they are.

[DPSSOC]

blothulfur wrote...
Good luck navigating the seas to Par Vollen in your little boats when our dreadnoughts have cannon that can fire as far as the horizon. Tevinter has tried with their weak weather magics to take the seas from us, they have always failed.

Didn't mean to imply it'd be easy just that that would be the way to go about it.

blothulfur wrote...
But it is no suprise that the bas would seek to strike at the innocent and not face soldiers, cowards that they are.

Why waste time striking a foe's weapons when you can stab them in the heart.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I thought Ashkaari was their word for philosopher? Anyway, the implication I get from the Qunari is that they are supposed to be more technologically advanced than the rest of Thedas and it is because of the ordered society of the Qun that they managed to do such. But I don't expect them to advancement significantly further simply because we can't have machine guns and fighter jets in a fantasy setting like this. Hence, that's why I don't think it's fair to blame any one thing like the Chantry or the Qun's rigidity for it. They'd have to come up with some contrived reason for every single civilization, that gets silly after a while.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 16 octobre 2011 - 04:05 .

[blothulfur]

An ashkaari strives for understanding thus the term scientist and philosopher can both be attributed to one, seeking the betterment of all through comprehension and understanding is an important aspect of the Qun. Many state that the ashkaari are the pathfinders on the road to enlightenment.

Modifié par blothulfur, 16 octobre 2011 - 06:05 .

[TEWR]

cookies. That's the weakness of the Qunari.

[TEWR]

alex90c wrote...

If the Qunari are as stupid as they were in DA2, defeating them should be a cakewalk.

Tactically in the siege of Kirkwall the Arishok was stupid for not taking advantage of Kirkwall's stairs and using the Saar-qamek. In terms of the Tome of Koslun, he knew Isabela was responsible ("Her part in this was clear. Your admission.... is welcome."). I don't think however that he had ever seen her in Kirkwall since she made it a point to avoid the Qunari compound.

Also, the Arishok sent out Ashaad to "seek an answer to a question for the Qun". What exactly Ashaad was doing I don't know, but I like to think he was mapping the Wounded Coast area and looking for any signs of Isabela.

Gervaise wrote...

Ignoring the propaganda of the pro-Qunari poster, I notice Sith Grey Warden suggests that the Qunari are now unleashing their mages. Is this something from the Webseries? I have seen no evidence in game to suggest that the Qunari are allowing mages to be unrestrained. Those who have become Tal'vashoth may have been but they are rebels against the system.

History of Kirkwall: Part III

Although it is not entirely clear from in game conversations, it would appear that Salit in MoA is meant to be a high ranking defector from the Qun but this is far from certain (since the list may not be genuine just as the Gaatlok plans were not genuine) and we were not given any reason why this would be so. If he was a high ranking defector, I assume this accounts for Tallis having doubts about her faith.

I'm pretty sure he is a high ranking member. He personally recruited and trained Tallis, so that must mean that he was influential in the Ben-Hassrath.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 16 octobre 2011 - 06:09 .

[KJandrew]

Same way as before: Brutally murder every Rivani you see until the Qunari get freaked out and agree to a peace

[Dave of Canada]

Not let their spies leave with scrolls of intel.

[Anvos]

KJandrew wrote...

Same way as before: Brutally murder every Rivani you see until the Qunari get freaked out and agree to a peace

No you leave their seers and other mages alive.  On a side note I really wonder how the populace can be considered mostly followers of the qun yet are as devote to their seers.