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[TEWR]

an army isn't a hive mind. It's composed of numerous people who are different in what's going through their mind. One soldier may be thinking about the holy cheese wheel of Andraste while the other is hoping that the cheese wheel soldier doesn't find out that his wife is having an affair with him (Soldier B the non-cheese thinking soldier).

They have one purpose yes, and that is to do their duty. But a mage Hawke had no duty as a soldier because he never was one. But by becoming a noble, he can become a commander of a small amount of forces that can in fact make the difference when Loghain's betrayal split the army apart and a civil war began destroying more of the forces.

And Xanthos Aeducan went back to Orzammar to take the throne so he could bring the full might of the Dwarves topside against the Darkspawn.

Well, he didn't bring all the Dwarves. But you get my point.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 17 octobre 2011 - 01:26 .

[blothulfur]

That does not matter, death is a small price to pay in service to the greater good. And soldier or not all should fight for their homes.

Modifié par blothulfur, 17 octobre 2011 - 01:26 .

[DPSSOC]

blothulfur wrote...

Armies are composed of one soldier, no matter his reasons the coward ran from his homeland when he was needed. What would have occured if the Warden had run back to Orzammar.

You mean the land he was exiled from?  Well I suspect, since he's a Warden, he'd be given the option to gtfo and go Wardening or die.  Even if he weren't an exile he'd be a surfacer and wouldn't be allowed to actually live in Orzammar.  Great thing about dwarves on the surface, they have absolutely nothing worth going back to.

However the Warden did run back to Orzammar and he returned with reinforcements.  Kind of like what Hawke could have done had his family's noble name not been ground into the dirt by his uncle.

[TEWR]

blothulfur wrote...

That does not matter, death is a small price to pay in service to the greater good. And soldier or not all should fight for their homes.

And who's to say that the Darkspawn Hawke did kill in Ferelden didn't help out? Mage or no, he definitely killed dozens of Darkspawn before being rescued by Flemeth. And that could've saved many lives and helped to defeat the Blight in its own way.

You know what they say: A dead mindless Darkspawn is a good Darkspawn.

[blothulfur]

Yes the warden returned to defend a foreign land and died fighting a dragon, selfless enough to be Qunoran Vehl. What did Hawke do for his homeland other than defend himself while running away.

[DPSSOC]

blothulfur wrote...

Yes the warden returned to defend a foreign land and died fighting a dragon, selfless enough to be Qunoran Vehl. What did Hawke do for his homeland other than defend himself while running away.

Gave the Orlesians something to think about other than re-conquering his homeland?

[TEWR]

Xanthos Aeducan is alive and well, ruling Orzammar and bringing them into a Golden Age that most Dwarves cherish.

Until he goes off to find Morrigan and his OGB child. Then Gorim is placed on the throne as Regent until Duncan Aeducan -- his child born from Mardy the Dwarf -- is fit to rule as Xanthos would. Gorim is going to raise him with the same ideals that Xanthos held true.

Maybe Xanthos will return one day. Who's to say. But rest assured that the Qunari will not be able to stand up to the Dwarves, what with their lyrium explosives, mages, Golems, fighters of each type, and Wardens.

[blothulfur]

Ah so it was Hawke who blew up that chantry, I see.

[TEWR]

DPSSOC wrote...

blothulfur wrote...

Yes the warden returned to defend a foreign land and died fighting a dragon, selfless enough to be Qunoran Vehl. What did Hawke do for his homeland other than defend himself while running away.

Gave the Orlesians something to think about other than re-conquering his homeland?

He also killed the man who was working with the Tal-Vashoth that may have used that information -- had he known what it was -- to convince Empress Celene and Divine Justinia V to declare a New Exalted March on the Qunari, taking them by surprise as well as killing all of their spies.

That actually helps the Qunari really. And yet blothulfur doesn't respect him still.

[blothulfur]

I've heard nothing of this and yes we still don't respect the wastrel murderer, maybe he can have one of his slaves mop his brow for him if he is distressed. If the matter is pertinent please explain, I welcome enlightenment.

Modifié par blothulfur, 17 octobre 2011 - 01:52 .

[TEWR]

Hawke has no slaves, he employs people. There's a big difference. If anything he's a Qunari without even knowing it. He can know of certainty and borders in Shepherding Wolves by letting Saarebas kill himself (which Saarebas remarks makes him closer to being Qunari than he thinks and that his role would change little), and everything else I've mentioned earlier.

Self-defense doesn't make one a murderer.

now tell me blothulfur, if Varric was lying then how do you explain your Arishok that was sent to retrieve the Tome being killed and Kirkwall not being under Qunari rule? For that matter, how do you know Varric was telling the truth about the Arishok ever being in Kirkwall? How do you know the Arishok wasn't simply killed at sea?

you seem to be picking and choosing what to believe. You can't call Varric a liar and then say he told the truth about this and that.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 17 octobre 2011 - 02:01 .

[blothulfur]

Both the Arishok and the tome of Koslun sit safe in Par Vollen, thus Varric lied as he did on most everything.

[TEWR]

and yet you admitted earlier that the tome was stolen:

Fat nobles who conspire with thieves to hide the book of Koslun from us while not even attempting to change the corrupt city they live in or help those unduly oppressed are obvioualy not respected by the Qunari. Anyone who disagrees lies.

and hidden from the Qunari. The Arishok wouldn't be in Par Vollen if he's dead or if Isabela took the tome back.

Failing twice means that he can no longer do his job, and this would sadden him to the point of committing suicide (something the devs confirmed that the Qunari do).

[DPSSOC]

blothulfur wrote...

That does not matter, death is a small price to pay in service to the greater good. And soldier or not all should fight for their homes.

It was not Hawke's role to defend Fereldan.

[TheCreeper]

Getting a very strong 1984 "We have never been at war with Eastasia" vibe from Blothulfur.

[blothulfur]

The Arishok retrieved the tome, what lies has that fat braggart told you. The mass murderer Hawke was caught dealing with the thieves and begged on his knees for mercy, he was granted this upon the condition that he bring us his fellow thief (some Rivaini labourer who now stilled with qamek works to repay her debt to the people.) The Arishok having concluded his business departed for Par Vollen. This is the truth.

Dpssoc. You truly believe that people should not fight for their homes, are you mad.

Modifié par blothulfur, 17 octobre 2011 - 02:21 .

[DrFumb1ezX]

Those who trade freedom for safety deserve neither.

And I'm with TEWR, here, Hawke didn't run away. He tactically retreated in the opposite direction of the darkspawn.

But I commend you for staying in character so well.

Modifié par soccerchick, 17 octobre 2011 - 02:28 .

[jamesp81]

I think the answer to the OP's question is that the templars and mages have to bury the hatchet, which they aren't going to do.

To this end, DA3 could be about finding a way to defeat the templars. Yes, I know some people sided with them in DA2. Templars won't stop the Qunari. The last time the Qunari were stopped, it was mages that did it. Templars are a dime a dozen.

The Qun is, in my mind, the single most evil force in all of Thedas, except for the blight itself. There is no measure that has been seen in either game yet that I would refuse to use, under the right circumstances, against them, except for the butchering of thousands of slaves to fuel blood magic that sank Arlathan. I wouldn't go that far.

But I would go so far as to sanction blood magic and demon summoning. I would recruit and send blood mages to infiltrate Par Vollen, with the goal of releasing as many abominations as possible onto the countryside. If I thought there was a way to release a Sixth Blight on Par Vollen, I'd do that too. I would have the dwarves recreate the Anvil of the Void, and field an army of Golems.

The cost to the defenders would be hideous, not just in blood, but in what they sacrificed of their honor and values. But they would still win and, when it was over, Par Vollen would be a smoking crater, a testament to what happens to tyrants who attempt to spread their control by force.

Modifié par jamesp81, 17 octobre 2011 - 03:15 .

[blothulfur]

And we would only have the Qun, and thus we would win.

[jamesp81]

blothulfur wrote...

And we would only have the Qun, and thus we would win.

You would also be extinct, a state of affairs I'm fine with.

[blothulfur]

Ah how easily the barbaric bas advocate genocide, and how easily we throw back your pathetic attempts. One would think that like the simplest of beasts you would learn from failure.

[DPSSOC]

blothulfur wrote...
Dpssoc. You truly believe that people should not fight for their homes, are you mad.

Delightfully so.

However what home was Lothering to Hawke?  What home was all of Fereldan?  He lived as a fugitive for nothing more than an accident of birth.  The only reason their family stopped in Lothering was because their mother was growing feeble and the village happened to have the least observant Templars outside of Kirkwall.  Neither Fereldan, nor Lothering, nor even Kirkwall were Hawke's home, they were just places he stopped for a time.

[blothulfur]

So you are saying that he is a rootless drifting vagabond who builds nothing and owes no allegiance to anybody. Yes that is the impression I recieved, probably to avoid the past scenes of his slaughters.

[Big I]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Xanthos Aeducan is alive and well, ruling Orzammar and bringing them into a Golden Age that most Dwarves cherish.

Wouldn't that be the Paragon Xanthos, of House Xanthos?

naledgeborn wrote...

In the state that Thedas is in as of 9:40 Dragon what will need to be done to succesfully pushback the impending Qunari invasion?

At this point nothing short of the return of the Maker.

[TheCreeper]

Or Andraste, Reborn Andraste would go a long ways towards unting thedas against the Qunari.