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[karthikc]

Which of the following builds is better for close-mid carnage on Hardcore? I want to get close and hit hard, but NOT all the time. No semi-suicidal YMIR and Colossus charge for me. No charging if there are more than two in a close bunch. Not more than one melee per charge, say.

Shotgun barrier adept:
Heavy Warp
1st tier Throw
Heavy Singularity
Area Pull
Nemesis
Heavy Barrier
Toting a Scimitar or Evi, whatever strips protections faster on Hardcore. There's the GPS for some missions.

AR Reave Vanguard:
3rd tier Incendiary ammo
Area Charge
2nd tier Shockwave
Area Pull
Destroyer
Area Reave
Toting a Scimitar or Evi, and a Mattock/Vindicator.

Notes on the adept:
I'm not really fond of singularity, except for its extremely useful ability to hold harbinger in place and as an anti-husk wall. Area pull is more my thing. I love warp detonations. A fully upgraded warp explosion is like a miniature Cain firing, every stripped enemy a bomb to set off. Glee!

The idea is to use singularity to lock down the most damaging enemies, then move forward with a  barrier/shotgun setting off warp explosions all around. Also, will use heavy warp against bosses.

Notes on the vanguard:
I like charge, but I don't like spamming it. I use it mostly when I'm in the red, for the attendant barrier recharge, and to close-in or insta-flank. Assault rifle volley, area pull + squad warp to open, then charge in. Shockwave works like throw in a cinch, and area pull + shockwave is pretty much insta-kill anyway. Will use reave on bosses.

My Vanguard is weak against bosses you have to stay at range to fight. Discounting ammo and bonus powers,
- Engineers have Incinerate/Overload
- Sentinels have Overload/Warp
- Adepts have Warp/Singularity
- Infiltrators have Incinerate/cloak time dilation and/or damage boost
- Soldiers have Adrenaline Rush and Concussive Shot

Vanguards... have nothing when they can't charge. Choppers, the Colossus, YMIRs, Krogan bosses, Geth primes, praetorians, scions, the end boss, I have trouble with all of them as a Vanguard. The (non-shotgun) adept can hang back and let loose with ARs/warp. 

Modifié par karthikc, 15 octobre 2011 - 04:21 .

[RedCaesar97]

That is a tough choice. Between those two choices, I think I would go with the Reave Vanguard, if only because I have not used Barrier enough (or played on Hardcore enough) to know how useful it can be.

Incendiary ammo is more useful for the crowd-control aspects than the armor damage bonus, so if you are not going to max Incendiary ammo, then I recommend leaving it at one point and max Shockwave instead.

[xassantex]

the shotgun barrier adept works very well, but is not optimal in all missions. It's very good in Overlord, not so much in Arrival where stasis will be more useful against the ymir in Object Rho and at the end,( can also save your ass with the pyros in RHO as it's instantaneous ) and also in LotSB .
i retrain those powers as need be.

as a vanguard i never used reave but i know some like it. I prefer heavy slam ( for the very quick CD) , stasis or neural shock sometimes. Sometimes i spam slam

/edit: and oh, i love inferno ammo ! it's my bread and butter as a vanguard, that and squad cryo . shockwave i forget because slam works better for me. 

Modifié par xassantex, 16 octobre 2011 - 12:03 .

[capn233]

I just finished my only run with an adept, so I wouldn't say I am as "adept" as some, but here are my thoughts. I don't have any weapons packs so it is default + evi and locust.

I don't really think on insanity the Adept can wreak nearly as much havoc at closer ranges as a Vanguard. The exception might be dealing with a wave of husks where you can strip armor then pull for insta-kill, plus drop singularity at chokes and strip armor so they ragdoll as they pass towards the singularity. Otherwise, they don't have the tanking ability or the real rapid kill ability to make them effective going headlong into baddies in mid-close range. I did take the AR though, maybe a shotgun would be slightly better up close. I used barrier early when I had hardly any health as an emergency shield boost, but finished out the game with Warp ammo. I liked my cooldowns to be used for singularity, warp or pull and I didn't want to be wasting it popping barrier,

For Vanguard, if you are running heavy charge and have leveled up, it becomes easy to start chain charging between multiple enemies. You do not necessarily need to drop their protection before you charge, as you do get the stagger effect and can then shoot / melee them to death. One thing I found somewhat effective if 2 guys were close was to charge one, which staggers him, but shoot the other for brief stagger on them... then charge or retreat to cover as needed. Inferno ammo also helps out somewhat if they are organics and clumped. For Geth missions you want cryo. I also agree with above about the utility of the Viper. It strips defenses very well and gives you long range punch. You can open up at range to strip defenses then start chain charging and it is "GG." The Eviscerator and the Scimitar are both good shotguns which work at least as well as the Claymore in the grand scheme of things. I agree that Vanguard is somewhat weak against bosses compared to other classes, but it is very powerful (possibly the most) during the main parts of missions if used correctly.