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Who is Bioware competing with exactly?

Débuté par Confused-Shepard , oct. 15 2011 06:41

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 01:05

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Ji99saw wrote...

I feel like Zeel is the only person that still cares about the quality of the game and is just not accepting devs reassurance that everything will be ok, because we all know what happened with DA2, I'm going to buy the game but it is probably the last one from bioware, instead I'm going to go Cd project red for my RPGs they seem to be making games from the heart and not for a quick buck.


Lots of us care about the quality of the game, but not everyone is a pessimistic about it as the fresh Prince of Bioware is. (no offense :P)

Personally I think that there is a chance of it being another victim of EA's anti-Midas touch(as everything we've seen them come in contact in the past turns to sh*t) OR it's not gonna be nearly as bad as we think, it could be a good thing. I'm still cautiously waiting for more info, but what I heard so far is pretty sweet. 

-Can be played solo

-Co-op only(no PvP crap)

-Customizable charactor

The only thing I dislike so far is the "readiness leval" and how that affects the single player. Hopefully there'll be an option for those who want to get "ready" entirely in SP. But hey theres still a good 5/6 months guys, no need to freak out and judge it entirely from that first announcement. =/

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 01:06

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Cousland001 wrote...

So this is what a flame war looks like.


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It's heading straight to a lockdown.

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 01:07

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IsaacShep wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

oh yeah, that's great. sell more copies!!! I don't know how many people they think they can convince with this bullcrap. There's a bigfat 3 at the end of the title. Who reads that and thinks "OH THIS IS WHRE I SHOULD START".

Quite alot it seems:
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Dragon age 2.

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 01:10

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Savber100 wrote...

lol... wait 10-15 yrs and CDPR would probably be the same as everyone. 

Mind you, I love CDPR but I'm amused how Witcher fans are treating CDPR as the "savior of RPGs" just because they have a nice pedigree just as Bioware did before DA2 (and yes, I loved ME2). ;)

Funny how people forget so fast after a single mediocre game or when the company starts to become popular beyond the hardcore RPG crowd. <_<


So true that it's sad.

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 01:13

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Savber100 wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

I feel like Zeel is the only person that still cares about the quality of the game and is just not accepting devs reassurance that everything will be ok, because we all know what happened with DA2, I'm going to buy the game but it is probably the last one from bioware, instead I'm going to go Cd project red for my RPGs they seem to be making games from the heart and not for a quick buck.


lol... wait 10-15 yrs and CDPR would probably be the same as everyone. 

Mind you, I love CDPR but I'm amused how Witcher fans are treating CDPR as the "savior of RPGs" just because they have a nice pedigree just as Bioware did before DA2 (and yes, I loved ME2). ;)

Funny how people forget so fast after a single mediocre game or when the company starts to become popular beyond the hardcore RPG crowd. <_<


Well, it fhey wanted to gather a new audience, they could have tried with a new IP and perhaps they would have succeeded, without harming Dragon Age. But they really dropped the ball with DA2.

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 01:14

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Prince Zeel wrote...

Dragon age 2.


Ah, yes, because one mediocre and rushed game sets the standard for every other game that company releases after that. Even if they're made by a completely different studio in a different part of the country with different technology, different methods and different teams.

Massive sarcasm, by the way.

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 01:16

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Prince Zeel wrote...

Dragon age 2.

What does DA2 have to do with whether ME3's sales look promising or not?

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 01:16

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Dragon age 2.


Ah, yes, because one mediocre and rushed game sets the standard for every other game that company releases after that. Even if they're made by a completely different studio in a different part of the country with different technology, different methods and different teams.

Massive sarcasm, by the way.


 I just get tired of arguing your silly points. No one cares what someone "predicts". We'll see come launch time.

Then again, a 20% increase seems about right. We are bringing in a combination of ps3, xbox and pc fans all at once. What makes you think the "promised" revenue is all "new players"?

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 01:19

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Dragon age 2.


Ah, yes, because one mediocre and rushed game sets the standard for every other game that company releases after that. Even if they're made by a completely different studio in a different part of the country with different technology, different methods and different teams.

Massive sarcasm, by the way.


SWM, you left out the part about how no company ever learns from its mistakes.

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 01:21

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And that was before MP was announced.

As for hte OP, I don't think BW is competing with anybody. I think they're genre-bending while looking for new ground, or ground they take from more than one genre.

And as the BW reps keep saying over and over again, this is where the WAR begins.

Modifié par Thompson family, 16 octobre 2011 - 01:23 .

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 01:22

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Thompson family wrote...

SWM, you left out the part about how no company ever learns from its mistakes.


Damn, I knew that didn't feel right.

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 01:23

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Mei Mei wrote...

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Casual gamers see multiplayer and it equals sales. As Fiery said though after a couple of months they will lose interest.

Biowares own stats state this fact. The reality is, ME 2 lost half its players during play thus only after the release will you know if MP had any impact on sales or replayability.

Um really? How do you know this? ME2 had tons of replayability.

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 01:26

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shep82 wrote...

Mei Mei wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...
Casual gamers see multiplayer and it equals sales. As Fiery said though after a couple of months they will lose interest.

Biowares own stats state this fact. The reality is, ME 2 lost half its players during play thus only after the release will you know if MP had any impact on sales or replayability.

Um really? How do you know this? ME2 had tons of replayability.


I'm STILL playing over most other games coming out. :P

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 01:27

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NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

shep82 wrote...

Mei Mei wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...
Casual gamers see multiplayer and it equals sales. As Fiery said though after a couple of months they will lose interest.

Biowares own stats state this fact. The reality is, ME 2 lost half its players during play thus only after the release will you know if MP had any impact on sales or replayability.

Um really? How do you know this? ME2 had tons of replayability.


I'm STILL playing over most other games coming out. :P

Me too. I've lost count at all my characters.:whistle:

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 01:28

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I haven't read the thread, only the OP. So my response is to that.

One needs to recall what a "niche community" is. Even if many ME players have no interest in multiplayer, there are many fans who enjoy multiplayer in other games, and thus will at least give ME's a chance, since it's available. It won't necessarily draw more customers who wouldn't give ME a chance before, but it CAN elongate the game's lifestyle-- and thus in-game purchases, or merchandise purchases, or further ME game purchases-- which is a good thing for Bioware/EA.

I'll offer Resident Evil 5 as an example. Its Versus multiplayer was unneeded, tacked-on, and hardly well-thought-out. It couldn't be compared to any other multiplayer shooter without being laughed out of town. But for the fans of RE5 looking for a new way to play RE5, the mode was fun. It was worth playing to them. They continued to play it, learn about it, and the community evolved. It got to a point where PC players actually modded their games to play the mode that was never offered to PC players, and people still play it, nearly 3 years after the game came out. Is Resident Evil known for its multiplayer? No. Did the offering of Versus entice buyers who wouldn't have played the game otherwise? Hell no. But it kept people around, likely bringing them into the Capcom-Unity for free advertising, as well as broadening the still-available consumer base for the DLC that was released nearly a full year after release.

The multiplayer may not be made for you specifically, and it's definitely not going to compete with any franchise known for multiplayer. But is it beyond comprehension to give the mode a chance, or at the very least not hate it and the company that chose to make it merely because the mode exists? Not liking the idea of multiplayer is fine (I was in that boat, and now I'm in the "cautiously optimistic" one still tied to the dock), but the amount of blind rage found on these forums toward a mode we have yet to see in action, let alone play, it absurd.

Y'all are better than this.

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 01:32

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shep82 wrote...

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

shep82 wrote...

Mei Mei wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...
Casual gamers see multiplayer and it equals sales. As Fiery said though after a couple of months they will lose interest.

Biowares own stats state this fact. The reality is, ME 2 lost half its players during play thus only after the release will you know if MP had any impact on sales or replayability.

Um really? How do you know this? ME2 had tons of replayability.


I'm STILL playing over most other games coming out. :P

Me too. I've lost count at all my characters.:whistle:


lol same xD

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 01:45

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I come in this thread and all I see is "BAWWWW"

Edit:

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I've never played one game so much. I think I have more time on ME2 then I have on CoD, and I have a LOT of time on CoD.

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 01:59

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Prince Zeel wrote...

 I just get tired of arguing your silly points. No one cares what someone "predicts". We'll see come launch time.


THIS is easily the most intelligent, sensible thing you've said since your return.

You may end up being right about everything, Zeel, but the fact is, right now you're just making assumptions - some based on recent history and some on your own opinion.  The amazing thing tho is you refuse to acknowledge that you could be wrong about it. that alone is just rediculous.. but the fact that you continue to spew this stuff nonstop is sad.

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 02:24

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Prince Zeel wrote...

 I just get tired of arguing your silly points. No one cares what someone "predicts". We'll see come launch time.


The sky is falling. 

Prince Zeel (even as he contradicts himself by predicting what the game would probably be like because of MP)  just said the most sensible thing on this thread. 

So why don't we quit "predicting" and play a "wait-and-see" approach for this game? Agreed? :P

staindgrey wrote...

Y'all are better than this.


No we're not. :bandit:

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 02:38

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sales and speculating how multiplayer will impact a game(negatively) is two different things. nice try though.

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 02:44

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Prince Zeel wrote...

sales and speculating how multiplayer will impact a game(negatively) is two different things. nice try though.


Ok, if you want to make a distinction from jumping into conclusions regarding game sales and jumping into conclusions of game quality based on opinions then fine. I assumed that you would have consistency in your thinking like a mature adult but I guess I'm wrong there. My apologies...  ^_^

But as you said your comments have been simply "speculation". Would you agree that means that there's a possibiltiy that nothing you're saying would actually happpen?

Should you really be screaming bloody murder right now even if it MIGHT be a distinct possibility?

After all, should we really be crying wolf when it's not even here yet? =]


Wait til it releases and if it's true in what you say... Then, feel free to **** to your dying days about it but NOT until then because if you're wrong (gasp), you'll just look like an idiot. 

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 02:45

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Zeel here is an idea. how about not judging Multiplayer until you play it.I for one won't be playing multiplayer all that much really but lots of other people would like to play with their friends. besides maybe they can CoD players interested in RPGs with the inclusion of Multiplayer.

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 03:00

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Dragon age 2.


Ah, yes, because one mediocre and rushed game sets the standard for every other game that company releases after that. Even if they're made by a completely different studio in a different part of the country with different technology, different methods and different teams.

Massive sarcasm, by the way.


First,  it's two mediocre games.  ME2's gameplay was weak at best,  it's combat was horrible by any standards unless you go back to the year 2000,  it's RPG elements were non-existant,  and it's story had more gaping plot holes than a season of Heroes.

Second,  you seem to be misunderstanding on how Electronic Arts works.  Teams have no autonomy.  Suits tell them what to do.  The company has one process,  and one process only,  and everyone follows it.  Everyone has the same "Technology".  Teams are irrelevant,  because EA controls everything,  not Teams. 

Which is exactly how Multiplayer ended up in the game in the first place.  It's EA's policy to put it in everything,  and make it essentially required,  in order to sell Online Passes to used game buyers. 

Honestly Mass,  Bioware is not some independent company that can do whatever it wants,  and EA's goals are to maximize profits at any cost.  You keep seeming to think Bioware gets a vote in anything,  they don't,  they're owned by Electronic Arts.  The same company whose mandates made DA2.

They do not care about the quality of their games.  Just how much money it makes.

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 03:01

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[quote]Prince Zeel wrote...
1. No appeal to core me series fan
 -Most fans here weren't asking for MP. That's because we played me1 and 2 single campaign and were more than satisified.[/quote]
Common sense and business sense conflict at times; Even though the core group cares the most, they want the game to appeal to as many people as possible while appeasing the core group. For the most part, they do listen to the core group but most of us are either indifferent, just flat out don't care, or (in my case) actually don't mind them implementing a multiplayer in some form.

You have to admit that BioWare does make good use of the resources they focus into specific areas. More than likely, it is mostly just a few areas where we basically make a final-stand kind of deal until we all die. It doesn't take a whole lot to basically make something so small. On top of the fact that two studios are working on the projects, one focusing on SP and the other focusing on MP.

[quote]2. Slapped on. the past two games had no multiplayer.
 -if the past two games didn't include mp. there is no argument good enough to explain how "seemless" the new multiplayer feature will be.[/quote]
It wasn't slapped on, Chris Priestly said himself that they had been wanting to do multiplayer ever since they started developing ME1. I will say that might be a mistatement, but I do know they've wanted to do it from the beginning.

[quote]3. Less resources on Single player
-If Bioware has to develop a co-op feature, the money has to split somewhere. I've yet to read 'good' evidence that suggests sp experience was finished, or any evidence that suggests that Bioware has infinite time and money.
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BioWare has stated that the SP was fully playable back in December, but I will say I also know that doesn't mean it was finished since things need buffing out. Voice-acting and things like that are the last things to be done and they didn't start multiplayer until after the story itself had been finished.

[quote]4. Bioware isn't the best at Co-op
-Very little experience. BG1 and BG2 and NWN had different types of multiplayers. Not shooters. the multiplayers in these games just made you become apart of the party. Not very "inuitive" really. The new mp for me3 is a WHOLE new feature. with "galax readiness"[/quote]
I agree with you here, first time doing a shooter-type multiplayer. They have said from the start that they are primarily focused on the story and SP, so I don't expect the MP to be this incredible thing. I expect it to at least be something I can say "It was a nice try", but not expecting anything beyond that.

[quote]5. Shorter Development cycle
-game will suffer, less time, less experience.[/quote]
I pretty much addressed this in my last two answers.

[quote]6. Adds nothing to the series
-Literally nothing. this galaxy readiness is such a slap.
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It adds the chance to view the battle without Shepard, how they're faring on their own. It can be more effective than simply saying "Earth lost 50,000 today", especially if you're playing a small squad within that 50,000. You're witnessing the attacks from the point of view of those stuck on the planet beyond "we lost 50,000 people, Shepard! We've gotta hurry!".

The Galactic Readiness doesn't just apply to the MP, though. It applies to SP alone and MP can help push it up or down. If people in the homeland didn't fight, numbers would decrease and, thus, causing less people able to fight or at least cause more difficulty. The better the people trying to survive do at holding off the enemy, the easier it will be for Shepard because there will be more people to aid in the fight.

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[quote]Computer_God91 wrote...

Zeel, you really need to calm the f*ck down. You come off as a raging brat that didn't get their way. Just because a feature in a game is included that you don't like doesn't excuse you acting like a baby. Here is your simple answer: You don't like the way they took ME3? Don't buy it, gtfo of the forums, and go play some other game.

I can't wait till you play ME3 and enjoy it and then make yourself look like a bigger moron.[/quote]

Bull.

I've been on this forum too long to think that being a "raging" brat is not allowed here. Go read 2 weeks prior, when people were STILL ****ing about s/s relationships.

I guess everyone is allowed to **** about everything except MP. Be lucky I'm not making a buttload of topics every minute DEMANDING they change it. (which is what they were doing)
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Most of the hostile responses towards you were due to your own hostile tone, whether you intend it or not.

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[quote]Computer_God91 wrote...

[quote]Prince Zeel wrote...
ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH MP IS A TROLL. THIS I DO DECLARE.

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No, anyone who acts like a moron while shooting down multiplayer is considered a troll. I don't agree with MP and I've yet to be called a troll, but that's because I'm not screaming my balls off and acting like a child. Like you are, or seem to.

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Get a grip. Arguing a certain side does not make you a troll. Also, I love this "acting like a child" bs. I am acting NO MORE childish than every pro-MP fan on this board. It just so happens that I am in the minoritiy, so I get the spot light.


As soon as you start throwing out arguments, we'll see how long you stay a Troll virgin.
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Your tone is what makes you come off as a troll. The fact that you are throwing your opinion around and calling it fact while calling those who disagree "fools" or "morons" is being a troll.

Your last sentence is definitely being a troll.

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[quote]Rezources wrote...

Zeel, you keep it so REAL.[/quote]

Something this board has trouble dealing with.

Seriously, truth and logic must be a bannable offense.

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Some do, but a few only have a problem with your tone and the fact that you insult those whose opinions oppose your own at times. You may feel you are spreading truth, but you are merely spreading your opinion in a very abrassive, arrogant fashion. You may use logic, but you are far from being rational here.

[quote]Prince Zeel wrote...
I've yet to hear about game length. Ea game gives them resources to spend on the stupid glittery sh#t instead of what matters.
Leaving the game to rot away.
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Chris Priestly has stated it is as long as ME2 is months ago, easy to miss though since it was only mentioned on here a handful of times.

[quote]Prince Zeel wrote...
offtopic: Skyrim looks okay. Don't like the whole infinite dragons. Hopefully they'll fix that stupid Oblivion feature, where all the mobs leveled with you? Jesus so stupid. Freaking bandits with draedric armor.
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The leveling thing annoyed me too. They did fix it, though; some areas will level with you while many others will not. You will not deal with a baby dragon at level 1 and an elder wyvern at level 25 lol.

[quote]Prince Zeel wrote...

[quote]IsaacShep wrote...

[quote]Prince Zeel wrote...

oh yeah, that's great. sell more copies!!! I don't know how many people they think they can convince with this bullcrap. There's a bigfat 3 at the end of the title. Who reads that and thinks "OH THIS IS WHRE I SHOULD START".[/quote]Quite alot it seems:
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Dragon age 2.

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Didn't you already say that just because the same company made the game does not mean they are the same situation?

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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 03:20

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staindgrey wrote...

*snip*

The multiplayer may not be made for you specifically, and it's definitely not going to compete with any franchise known for multiplayer. But is it beyond comprehension to give the mode a chance, or at the very least not hate it and the company that chose to make it merely because the mode exists? Not liking the idea of multiplayer is fine (I was in that boat, and now I'm in the "cautiously optimistic" one still tied to the dock), but the amount of blind rage found on these forums toward a mode we have yet to see in action, let alone play, it absurd.

Y'all are better than this.


You expressed exactly how I feel and what I keep trying to say, but there is always going to be people who are against it no matter what and won't give it a try. I don't understand that type of mindset, but there's only so much one can say. 
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