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[Twaddlefish]

GMagnum wrote...

Twaddlefish wrote...

What was that game that had co-op and it made an impact on the main storyline?

Oh, Baldur's Gate 2. That's the puppy.

Anyway, the other big hitters, Bethesda and Obsidian, are exclusively developing single player campagins in a sandbox setting. By bringing a co-op multiplayer to the game, you are offering to share the experience of ME3 friends. Yes, it could be diabolical, but it could also be good.

Some people still don't seem to get the message that the multiplayer was developed completely separate from the SP, and after dropping over $300 million on The Old Republic, I'm sure EA would be fine with paying the salaries of a small time in Montreal for a few months.

dam prince zeel ****ted on u the second u made this post

My point was that I think it's a bit inane to write off the multiplayer simply because it's something different. I can't imagine the shift to full 3-d  with Neverwinter Nights or KoToR was met with the same reaction.

[Someone With Mass]

Prince Zeel wrote...

well logic dictates, that new features, means the compromise has to be made somewhere. Unless they want to extend the development time again. So I'm not sure about this "no evidence". If you use your brain you'll see the evidence.

Logical or not, there's still no evidence that proves it.

Just because you say that it is so because it's logical doesn't make it happen.

[Prince Zeel]

koopaonfire wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

This is a great example of what's to come. time to shed those opitmistic hopes and get REAL.

I'd like to point out that optimism is just as valid as pessimism, the latter of which you're exemplifying. I'm personally indifferent to all things unless they prove to me to think one way or the other; as such, I haven't formed a concrete opinion on multiplayer in ME3.

At first, I may think, "Well, that sounds like a bad idea," but I can't know for sure until I experience it. The same applies to other games. For example, I'm really looking forward to Skyrim. However, if I play it and it's buggy as hell with no coherent plot, my opinion will be shaped such that I dislike it.

Prelimenary discussion is fine, but this air on either side that "it's going to be fantastic/terrible, no room for doubt" is pretty grating.

You keep all that "indiffernce" to yourself. maybe if i had NO INFORMATION , I could be indifferent. but I have information and it doesn't look good.


offtopic: Skyrim looks okay. Don't like the whole infinite dragons. Hopefully they'll fix that stupid Oblivion feature, where all the mobs leveled with you? Jesus so stupid. Freaking bandits with draedric armor.

[Computer_God91]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...
 ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH MP IS A TROLL. THIS I DO DECLARE.

No, anyone who acts like a moron while shooting down multiplayer is considered a troll. I don't agree with MP and I've yet to be called a troll, but that's because I'm not screaming my balls off and acting like a child. Like you are, or seem to.

Get a grip. Arguing a certain side does not make you a troll. Also, I love this "acting like a child" bs. I am acting NO MORE childish than every pro-MP fan on this board. It just so happens that I am in the minoritiy, so I get the spot light.


As soon as you start throwing out arguments, we'll see how long you stay a Troll virgin.

Dude you're using CAPS and swearing all over the place. Yea, that shows maturity, that shows that people should be taking you serious.

Anyway welcome to BSN, if your in the minority your the idiot, troll, whatever. I'm against S/S and mildly against MP. I got enough flak from openly talking against S/S that I don't see the point of just going to every thread and arguing. These people won't change their minds on BSN. Everyone is a solid wall.

[alex90c]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...


Oh, and here I thought the point was rather obvious.

Point is: Companies will always try something new, because that's how they'll earn more money or they'll learn what flies and what doesn't.

To say that the standard is the same as it was ten years ago is just a lie.

Is multiplayer in Mass Effect 3 a dooms-prophecy? Probably not, since they can just move on from it if it's not that effective.

Will it compromise the quality of the singleplayer? I have seen BioWare say that it won't based on the fact that separate studio is working on it and that it's just a co-op mode which is a entirely optional way to achieve the same goals you can in singleplayer.

That, and I haven't seen any evidence that suggests otherwise.

The point you were trying to make is obvious. Just not relevant. do you think I'm arguing against "Change" just because it's "Change".  or because it's a stupid idea?


well logic dictates, that new features, means the compromise has to be made somewhere. Unless they want to extend the development time again. So I'm not sure about this "no evidence". If you use your brain you'll see the evidence.

No, new features means there'll be new features. If anything, games nowadays don't put enough new features in because companies are too worried their games will tank otherwise.

[Pockles]

Twaddlefish wrote...
My point was that I think it's a bit inane to write off the multiplayer simply because it's something different. I can't imagine the shift to full 3-d  with Neverwinter Nights or KoToR was met with the same reaction.

I agree with this person.

[Computer_God91]

Prince Zeel wrote...

offtopic: Skyrim looks okay. Don't like the whole infinite dragons. Hopefully they'll fix that stupid Oblivion feature, where all the mobs leveled with you? Jesus so stupid. Freaking bandits with draedric armor.

They toned down the dragons, and said the leveling is hybrid Fallout 3 and Oblivion. Some areas level with you others don't.

[NOD-INFORMER37]

Guys none of us know for sure if it'll be a good think or a bad thing. Theres still a good 5/6 months left before the game comes out so theres lots of room for change.

I think it very well could be a good thing, its not some pvp crap and we can play it solo. Plus if we get features WE the fans want(like in the poll below this comment) then I may actually look foward t it. Time will tell.

Although since its EA, I'm pretty worried. :S

[Prince Zeel]

Twaddlefish wrote...


My point was that I think it's a bit inane to write off the multiplayer simply because it's something different. I can't imagine the shift to full 3-d  with Neverwinter Nights or KoToR was met with the same reaction.

I am tired of this. How much times do I have to state my arguments? it has nothing to do with it being "different" or it being "Multiplayer"

I like DIFFERENT, I LIKE MULTIPLAYER.

I LIKE THINGS.

What I don't like is when you try to force things that don't fit into other things that were perfectly fine without it.

[pfhorlorn]

Prince Zeel wrote...

You keep all that "indiffernce" to yourself. maybe if i had NO INFORMATION , I could be indifferent. but I have information and it doesn't look good.

I have as much information as you. And though my opinion may be ambivalent, I still have the same right to voice it in a rational discourse.

Modifié par koopaonfire, 15 octobre 2011 - 08:54 .

[Twaddlefish]

Prince Zeel wrote...

offtopic: Skyrim looks okay. Don't like the whole infinite dragons. Hopefully they'll fix that stupid Oblivion feature, where all the mobs leveled with you? Jesus so stupid. Freaking bandits with draedric armor.

The levelling system has been fixed to somewhere between Fallout 3 and Morrowind. There are bad guys that will be too tough for you until you're a certain level, but any dungeon you enter locks to your current level permanently, so if you go in one at Level 4, it will still be scaled for a Level 4 character when you're flying past 30.

Prince Zeel wrote...

What I don't like is when you try to force things that don't fit into other things that were perfectly fine without it.

But that's not how gaming evolves! See my reply above for the Oblivion thing you brought up, unfortunately it took Bethesda that game to realise that completely level scaled enemies was a really dumb idea. Like you, I don't want to see the MP aspect take over, but knowing Bioware's out put so far I don't think it will.

Modifié par Twaddlefish, 15 octobre 2011 - 08:55 .

[Someone With Mass]

alex90c wrote...
No, new features means there'll be new features. If anything, games nowadays don't put enough new features in because companies are too worried their games will tank otherwise.

That's true.

[Prince Zeel]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

offtopic: Skyrim looks okay. Don't like the whole infinite dragons. Hopefully they'll fix that stupid Oblivion feature, where all the mobs leveled with you? Jesus so stupid. Freaking bandits with draedric armor.

They toned down the dragons, and said the leveling is hybrid Fallout 3 and Oblivion. Some areas level with you others don't.

Oh. sounds good then. I'm liking the removal of the leveling system aswell. See, I can be optimistic. I just need a logical reason to be.

[Prince Zeel]

koopaonfire wrote...
I have as much information as you. Telling me to keep my indifference to myself is unwarrantedly arrogant. Though my opinion may be ambivalent, I still have the same right to voice it in a rational discourse.

So you're telling me you have information. and some how you are able to not form a single opinion? You are some how just in the middle, not leaning to one side? 

Yeah, you keep that. That's not optimism, that's willingly removing yourself from thinking about the information presented.

[pfhorlorn]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Yeah, you keep that. That's not optimism, that's willingly removing yourself from thinking about the information presented.

I did think about it.

I decided that I didn't care. Yet.

Modifié par koopaonfire, 15 octobre 2011 - 08:57 .

[Computer_God91]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

offtopic: Skyrim looks okay. Don't like the whole infinite dragons. Hopefully they'll fix that stupid Oblivion feature, where all the mobs leveled with you? Jesus so stupid. Freaking bandits with draedric armor.

They toned down the dragons, and said the leveling is hybrid Fallout 3 and Oblivion. Some areas level with you others don't.

Oh. sounds good then. I'm liking the removal of the leveling system aswell. See, I can be optimistic. I just need a logical reason to be.

Well the player's leveling is still there, they just don't make you pick all the crap like in Oblivion: class, Major skills, Birth sign. No that's all gone you just pick your race and have at it. The game recognizes what your good at without you needing to set it in stone. It's the game I'm most looking forward to out of everything announced. 11/11/11 can't come sooner.

[Prince Zeel]

alex90c wrote...


No, new features means there'll be new features. If anything, games nowadays don't put enough new features in because companies are too worried their games will tank otherwise.

yes. you're right. There's no reaction AT ALL to adding new features.


What was I thinking?

[Prince Zeel]

koopaonfire wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Yeah, you keep that. That's not optimism, that's willingly removing yourself from thinking about the information presented.

I did think about it.

I decided that I didn't care. Yet.

Alright then. No arguments here. My "keep that to yourself" isn't a "don't argue your side" it's a "I dont want part of that thought process"

[Prince Zeel]

Computer_God91 wrote...


Well the player's leveling is still there, they just don't make you pick all the crap like in Oblivion: class, Major skills, Birth sign. No that's all gone you just pick your race and have at it. The game recognizes what your good at without you needing to set it in stone. It's the game I'm most looking forward to out of everything announced. 11/11/11 can't come sooner.

Bioshock Infinite looks good.

[shepskisaac]

Prince Zeel wrote...

I've yet to hear about game length.

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/69623121937838080
twitter.com/#!/gtez/status/123522910693507072
www.computerandvideogames.com/322368/mass-effect-3-script-doubles-the-length-of-first-two-games/

[Pockles]

Prince Zeel wrote...
What I don't like is when you try to force things that don't fit into other things that were perfectly fine without it.

That would be a good way to not learn anything.

Modifié par Pockles, 15 octobre 2011 - 09:03 .

[Savber100]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Twaddlefish wrote...


My point was that I think it's a bit inane to write off the multiplayer simply because it's something different. I can't imagine the shift to full 3-d  with Neverwinter Nights or KoToR was met with the same reaction.

I am tired of this. How much times do I have to state my arguments? it has nothing to do with it being "different" or it being "Multiplayer"

I like DIFFERENT, I LIKE MULTIPLAYER.

I LIKE THINGS.

What I don't like is when you try to force things that don't fit into other things that were perfectly fine without it.

I'm not going to lie but this is getting kinda cute watching Zeel bashing his head repeatedly against the wall as he desperately tries to get people to understand his nearly incoherent argument. 

Soon the realization who hit him that half of us are just as thick-headed as he is. 

Welcome to the BSN. 

[Someone With Mass]

Ferris95 wrote...

^ Zeel.

More like this.

[essarr71]

Prince Zeel wrote...
See, I can be optimistic. I just need a logical reason to be.

Logical does not = what I want in MY perfect idea of a game.

It's been said by the devs that SP won't suffer.. now you can chose not to believe them, but you can't deny that as a credible source of information.

Fact is you've spent days spaming threads about how horrible this addition will be, and regardless of how your asumptions about them are, I'm curious how much more gas you have to burn on it.  If you were as logical as you claim to be, you'd realize posting the same thing over and over without getting any results is a waste of your time.

People are crying troll because they're tired of hearing it.