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[kyles3]

tmp7704 wrote...

At the same time, take into account that trying to increase that 'amount of impact' of the story for people who attach excessive value to whether something is 'canon' or not by saying "this is canon, deal with it" can very well drastically affect the amount of impact the games can have, for these canon-oriented people. Because when the 'canon' gets defined then everything that doesn't match that 'canon' "didn't happen" and as such "lacks the gut-punch" and so "why should i bother", according to the line of reasoning you presented. And since BioWare is a game company first, well.

They may be a game company first, but I would assume the BioWare folks would like us to take their non-game stories as seriously as we take what goes down in a game, yes? It's my view that having a character exist in multiple histories--none of which is actual history--makes such a character harder to take seriously. If I attach excessive value to canon, it's only because I'm trying to take the DA universe seriously.

With that, I'll quit my spewing. Sincere apologies if I've been annoying and/or myopic and/or totally wrong. I'm very much looking forward to the comic, and--regardless of what the long-term consequences may or not be--it'll be fun to revisit some characters I dig, to finally see Antiva, and to uncover some secrets from back in the day.

Modifié par kyles3, 17 octobre 2011 - 04:03 .

[RagingCyclone]

tmp7704 wrote...

RagingCyclone wrote...

For me the problem lies in that Gaider is reusing old characters.

Except Varric (and to extent Isabela, being created much anew) are new characters, introduced in the sequel to the first game. I don't think it's really a problem if such character makes then another appearance -- to use your own analogy, is it a problem that Empire Strikes Back has largely the same cast the first Star Wars movie did?

Being that it was an episodic trilogy at the time...no. But I still always want to forget the horrid Thanksgiving Day Special.

[megski]

I couldn't find this thread last night when I was searching, so yay!

As far as the canon thing goes, I don't mind. I know what reallllly happened. I am looking forward to this.

When I first heard about it, I thought maybe that Maric is still alive. I'm not sure how I feel about Varric. The more I watch him sit and tell stories to Cassandra, the more I'm wanting to see her punt him out of the chair. But idk, maybe I'm just in one of those 'moods'.

[FedericoV]

simfamSP wrote...
I hope I made my self clear, I tend to mix things up to much and make my whole answer a damn mess

Yep, you have been absolutely clear and I understand your position. But I still believe that a fixed continuity would serve the games and the franchise in general way better .

[Fallstar]

This seems a little dodgy... I can't see King Alistair running around with Isabella/Varic, so I'm going to assume Alistair as king isn't the canon. But I think it was the default choice in DA:2... Oh well, I'll read it, but comics aren't really my thing. Hopefully there'll be some interesting tidbits.

[Annihilator27]

Seems like the "cannon" makes Alistar king and the Grey Warden sacraficed himself.

[artsangel]

All this ranting and raving, and nobody has thought to ask the most important question of all.

What nickname will Varric come up with for Alistair?

[mousestalker]

artsangel wrote...

All this ranting and raving, and nobody has thought to ask the most important question of all.

What nickname will Varric come up with for Alistair?

"Chantry Boy"?

[kyles3]

artsangel wrote...

All this ranting and raving, and nobody has thought to ask the most important question of all.

What nickname will Varric come up with for Alistair?

Bizarro Blondie? Blondie Jr.? King Blondie?

[whykikyouwhy]

artsangel wrote...

All this ranting and raving, and nobody has thought to ask the most important question of all.

What nickname will Varric come up with for Alistair?

The evil part of me would want Varric to call him "The Virgin of the Cheese." But that's just too lengthy.

"Chaste Boy" perhaps.

[hoorayforicecream]

Royal Jelly.

[mousestalker]

The Hairmaster

[TheJediSaint]

Lamp Post.

Modifié par TheJediSaint, 18 octobre 2011 - 02:00 .

[Silentblaze]

Royal Bastard? Dog King?

[phaonica]

Is a canon being chosen for the comic?

Mike Laidlaw wrote..
There will be a canon, yes. King, specifically. If that doesn't match your world consider it a "What If?"

Hm. Okay, but if DA3+ makes him king without our input, I'll be disappointed.

[Esbatty]

Silentblaze wrote...

Royal Bastard? Dog King?

Royal Turnip Bastard to Orlesians.
Just a Royal Turnip to the Antivans.

[SkittlesKat96]

Is this real?

Why would Isabela and Varric get involved with Alistair? Regardless of whether or not he is king...it just seems out of place.

To be honest this whole 'small world' stuff just seems like bad story telling. Unlike some people I preferred getting the e-mails in ME 2 rather than meeting every single character from the first game...

I mean I like cameos (some like Conrad Verner are just so necessary) but still...
The comic itself probably explains things better than my mind does I guess.

Also I disagree with some of the concern about this.

David Gaider has made it clear before that no body's Dragon Age story is insignificant and there is no true canon to the Dragon Age series. At all.

Just think of this comic as an alternate universe or default story used so they can make novels and comics for DA without contradicting and calling it canon.

There is a different between canon and default/alternative universe.

[Sabariel]

artsangel wrote...

All this ranting and raving, and nobody has thought to ask the most important question of all.

What nickname will Varric come up with for Alistair?

Rose

[Maria13]

Kid?

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Cheesy.

[whykikyouwhy]

Why not Prince Charming? Said snidely, of course.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

@Seagloom -- Ahh, I getcha. So some similar personality traits, but in the end still different characters.

Blacklash93 wrote...

@Shadow of Light Dragon

I think Bioware has dug a hole in how Dragons are percieved in DA so far that they're not going to be able to just jump out of it. They're not just going to be able to say "Turns out every dragon is magical and are scheming shapeshifters! Problem?" If that were true we would have seen it earlier and the writers wouldn't have said otherwise when speaking about dragons generally.

I do want to see some special, intelligent dragons, but I'd also like DA to mostly keep its uniqueness in its conception of the mythical species as animals. That doesn't mean, however, that there can't be a nature to dragons that we don't know of that doesn't take away from that uniqueness. Dragon blood, dragon cults, and Old Gods have been hinting at this since the series started.

Dragons being a "fallen" race has been one of my theories for ages. I'd be satisfied with it, personally. Just as long as most dragons still love to eat people like edible, crunchy ketchup packets.

Usually I'm happy with anything in a story so long as it makes sense and doesn't contradict itself. If it's particularly clever, even better.

Myself, I'm still on the theory that the Old Gods were demon-possessed dragons (hey, if you can get demon-possessed cats...). As for natural dragons as a species...I guess we'll find out. I'm just hoping it's something more creative and unique than capabilities of speech or whatever. It seems like every fantasy title out there of late has dragons as a sapient super-species that lesser races inexplicably managed to whittle to nigh-extinction, and shapeshifting powers are almost as popular.

I hunger for more than ketchup. Like an original idea.