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David Gaider wrote...

While I'd love to do a DLC like Leliana's Song based around Alistair (..)

Out of interest, is something like that considered even a vague possibility by you guys? Because yeah, it'd be lovely.

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I find this interesting and might pick it up. I don't think the existence of the book negates everything we did in the actual games themselves, but I suppose it might cancel out someone's fanfic or the imagined headcanon of their Warden and characters. In my opinion, well, life has to go on for the other DA:O characters outside the Warden's control.

Call it an alternate take on things or whatever you want. Regardless of what my Warden did, I'm kind of interested in seeing Alistair again on some other adventure, even if it's without my Warden or even if it conflicts with my playthroughs. I like Alistair, Varric and Isabela enough on their own to want to see what kind of trouble they might stir up together.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 21 octobre 2011 - 06:29 .


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David Gaider wrote...

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I suppose it's too much to ask for a Warden/Leliana romance and Hawke/Isabela romance to STAY that way. <_<


I guess this is difficult for a few people to wrap their heads around? So, once again: all the versions of Alistair -- whether he died, ended up a drunk in Kirkwall, remained in the Grey Wardens, became the King of Ferelden and/or continued his romance with the Warden-- are equally "true". They all exist. That's part of the nature of a narrative that involves choices.

Your choices will continue to be reflected in future games, where possible-- so if you import a game with a drunken Alistair then you can reasonably expect that he will continue to be so.

Since you cannot import your personal save into a comic book or a novel, they will have to select a version of the world in which to reside for any part of the narrative that intersects with characters or choices that appeared in the games. This does not affect your future games, and if the version we've chosen doesn't match up with yours (or one of yours-- some people have many "canon" saves, I imagine) then you'll either have to imagine it as a "what if" or simply ignore the tale if that's insufficient. Either way, it won't affect your game-- if Alistair is dead in your game, for instance, then obviously he never went on this adventure.

The comic book is just a story taken from a piece of the DA continuuity, not an interactive video game. It's that simple.


Not to mention there can be any number of possible reasons to explain why Alistair and/or Isabella are away from their respective love interests and don't mention them. Such as being focused on the task at hand.

But I wouldn't fault you for writing based on your own preferred series of events. I remember you saying when Asunder was announced that it has it's own canon. So I wouldn't expect your comic to be any less.

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Really looking forward to this, David. Love Alistair. Love Varric. Mostly love Isabela, though my first playthrough with her went terribly (I played a rogue, so she just wasn't in my party enough to get much friendship or rivalry). I do think she's hilarious, though. All three are, as you say, very funny characters who also have a reflective side in some situations. Cannot wait for February. Come to think of it... ME3 demo in January. Comic in February. ME3 in March. Roll on 2012! :-D

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David Gaider wrote...

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Since Alistair is so popular a character, why was a comic book chosen instead of another expansion for DAO or dlc for just Alistair alone (even with the new engine)?


While I'd love to do a DLC like Leliana's Song based around Alistair, it's 10x less complex to create a comic book then it is to put together an entire game-- even one with the amount of content in a DLC. There's approximately four or five people working on a comic, and up to sixty working on a game. I'd have thought that'd be obvious, but perhaps not.

I'll also point out that you can do different stories in a comic or novel than in a game. We can have someone visit an entirely new and different location without having to create reams of content to make the areas or character models for it. You also don't have to worry about player agency-- this is a simple tale about Alistair, one that you'll be reading and not playing. That's really the point.



Thank you for taking the time to respond.  I'm really glad to hear that you'd love to do a dlc just for Alistair.  I hope one day you can encourage the boss to allow you to do this.  Fans of Alistair would love to see this. 

I really had no idea how many people work on one game.  I know that alot of work goes into making one game, not that many.  I'm still just an infant in knowledge regarding video games.  I really didn't start playing video games until NWN came out.  So no, it wasn't obvious to me.  Thanks for the information.

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Andrastee wrote...

... (or one of yours-- some people have many "canon" saves, I imagine) ...


In order to match up to all of my canon saves, Alistair would have to be simultaneously king, not king, still in the Grey Wardens, grieving his dead dwarven lover, happily married to a Cousland, and married to Anora. Twice. With all of that, it's no wonder he's also drunk.


He'd be more available than Schrondinger's cat or Dr Who!

No seriously, I can deal with multiple Alistairs, after all, I killed him in one of my stories and he's King in another...

Modifié par Maria13, 21 octobre 2011 - 04:41 .


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As with Mass Effect it's safe to assume that all fictional works outside of the game follow the preset storyline (Male Cousland who performed DR and put Alistair in the throne, probably went with Morrigan through the Eluvian too) keep that in mind.

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tmp7704 wrote...
Out of interest, is something like that considered even a vague possibility by you guys? Because yeah, it'd be lovely.

It was a possibility, yes. I posted about it some time ago, but I did a pitch for an Alistair DLC along with Leliana's Song. I pictured it as kind of a Grey Warden “Easy Company” thing, playing the rookie Alistair in his first few months with Duncan. Would have loved to write it, but it takes a lot to line up all the resources for these things. Maybe elements of it will poke up somewhere else.
So, sorry for the tease, but we do know the appreciation for the character. Oh boy, do we know.;)

Modifié par Lukas Kristjanson, 21 octobre 2011 - 06:32 .


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Lukas Kristjanson wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...
Out of interest, is something like that considered even a vague possibility by you guys? Because yeah, it'd be lovely.

It was a possibility, yes. I posted about it some time ago, but I did a pitch for an Alistair DLC along with Leliana's Song. I pictured it as kind of a Grey Warden “Easy Company” thing, playing the rookie Alistair in his first few months with Duncan. Would have loved to write it, but it takes a lot to line up all the resources for these things. Maybe elements of it will poke up somewhere else.
So, sorry for the tease, but we do know the appreciation for the character. Oh boy, do we know.;)


Though I like Alistair a lot, and would fork over cash for an Alistair themed DLC, I think that it's probably best for any DLC to focus on the established player character (IE. Hawke).  

Now with that being said, I think that using popular characters like Alistair as the stars in other forms of media is a great idea and a good direction for DA as a franchise.  Perahps if the comics are successful enough, other characters could get similar treatment.

Modifié par TheJediSaint, 21 octobre 2011 - 07:52 .


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Lukas Kristjanson wrote...

Maybe elements of it will poke up somewhere else.


Poke it up everywhere else. Sounds awesome.

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Dave of Canada

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I don't want to be poked everywhere, that sounds discomforting.

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TheJediSaint

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Dave of Canada wrote...

I don't want to be poked everywhere, that sounds discomforting.


Say hello to Bianca.

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Herr Uhl

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*pokes in thread*

I'd prefer an Oghren background story in the case of prequel DLC's. Before he became a drunkard. But this shall alas never happen.

/slight offtopicness

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Herr Uhl wrote...

*pokes in thread*

I'd prefer an Oghren background story in the case of prequel DLC's. Before he became a drunkard. But this shall alas never happen.

/slight offtopicness


Nonsense, Oghren was born drunk and riding a mabari war hound shouting onward pony!

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This weirds me out because it's my Warden's husband and my Hawke's girlfriend. And Varric. On an adventure.

I can just imagine them at home saying to each other, "where did our significant others go?"

All I'm saying is, if Isabela and Alistair do it, my head will explode.

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I so hoped on Morrigan. I love her more than Isabela.

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Inujade wrote...
All I'm saying is, if Isabela and Alistair do it, my head will explode.

They already did it. And then it unlocked the duelist spec for the Warden.

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David Gaider wrote...

While I'd love to do a DLC like Leliana's Song based around Alistair, it's 10x less complex to create a comic book then it is to put together an entire game-- even one with the amount of content in a DLC.....


Ugh~ I would have loved a DLC with Alistair. Favorite Dragon Age character period. :? Anyway, really excited for this project Mr. Gaider~

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Gah I wish we knew if Alistair was a King or Warden in the comic, that would ease my worry. If he's a GW with the DR as canon then that's fine, I have a playthrough to match that. But if he's a king and the DR is canon in the comic then I don't have a playthrough to match it D: I wish I finished more complete playthroughs of DAO and DA2. I think I'll work on it so I can have multiple stories with one of them matching up with Biowares universe.

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Fangirl17 wrote...

Gah I wish we knew if Alistair was a King or Warden in the comic, that would ease my worry.


He's King.

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Great, finally something DA2 related I can put to good use. Those shaky tables are unnerving.

How many pages will there be?

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ladyofpayne

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And it seems Alistair go for his mother, Fiona. 

Modifié par ladyofpayne, 23 octobre 2011 - 06:47 .


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Great, finally something DA2 related I can put to good use. Those shaky tables are unnerving.


It's a digital comic. So you are out of luck unless you print it out yourself.

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Andrastee wrote...

Great, finally something DA2 related I can put to good use. Those shaky tables are unnerving.


It's a digital comic. So you are out of luck unless you print it out yourself.


The cover art could make a good desktop theme.  And who know?  You may actually enjoy READING it.

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David Gaider wrote...

I guess this is difficult for a few people to wrap their heads around? So, once again: all the versions of Alistair -- whether he died, ended up a drunk in Kirkwall, remained in the Grey Wardens, became the King of Ferelden and/or continued his romance with the Warden-- are equally "true". They all exist. That's part of the nature of a narrative that involves choices.

Your choices will continue to be reflected in future games, where possible-- so if you import a game with a drunken Alistair then you can reasonably expect that he will continue to be so.

This makes me happy.

I think the dissent and/or worry caused by this type of thing is because by having it exist, even if that is not the intent (and I am thankful that it isn't), it plants the seed in many people's minds of "This doesn't match MY Alistair... does that mean that MY Alistair is less real than this one?"
And to the many who find that this doesn't match their stories, they feel hurt. After all, they are only human.

But I am glad to have a statement like this. It is really telling of you people who are making this world that we love so much.

I look forward to this comic, hopefully it will be more readily available than the previous comic jaunt.
And even though it won't match MY Alistair... or even my Canon-Hawke's Isabela... I expect to have a fun ride out of it<3!