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[Ilidan_DA]

The missing pieces:

Modifié par Wiedzmin182009, 18 février 2012 - 01:54 .

[TEWR]

looks a lot like default male Hawke.

[TEWR]

thats1evildude wrote...

Alistair has access to DLC?

Remember Warden's Keep? Alistair's credit card paid for that.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Guy on skelton's crown has a nose like Alistair. King Maric or King Calenhad I'm guessing for the Skelton. Hmm, wonder if Loghain or factions in Orlais killed King Maric and they had a contract on him with the crows?

King Calenhad could tie in also didn't he also disappear? I think I read this in one of the codex entries on him.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Corker wrote...

I'm trying to decide if the spirally design element around Alistair is supposed to be a DNA double-helix.

ETA: I do like the waves behind Izzy and the mountains behind Varric, though.

ETA2: Dude at the bottom is either a Crow or one of their targets; probably a Crow since he seems to be commanding a large number of masked men, and it makes more sense to put an antagonist on the cover.  There's a murder of crows flying in the space just above him.

I hadn't noticed the crow design (silly me, since I *did* notice the waves, mountains and trees). I'd say you're right about him being a Crow. I don't suppose the contract on Alistair (as a Grey Warden) is ever going to be resolved...

[whykikyouwhy]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Corker wrote...

I'm trying to decide if the spirally design element around Alistair is supposed to be a DNA double-helix.

ETA: I do like the waves behind Izzy and the mountains behind Varric, though.

ETA2: Dude at the bottom is either a Crow or one of their targets; probably a Crow since he seems to be commanding a large number of masked men, and it makes more sense to put an antagonist on the cover.  There's a murder of crows flying in the space just above him.

I hadn't noticed the crow design (silly me, since I *did* notice the waves, mountains and trees). I'd say you're right about him being a Crow. I don't suppose the contract on Alistair (as a Grey Warden) is ever going to be resolved...

Crows, or Orlesians?

While the presence of the birds hints toward the former, the masks (and plumes?) made me think of Orlais and the puzzle pictures in MotA.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Corker wrote...

I'm trying to decide if the spirally design element around Alistair is supposed to be a DNA double-helix.

ETA: I do like the waves behind Izzy and the mountains behind Varric, though.

ETA2: Dude at the bottom is either a Crow or one of their targets; probably a Crow since he seems to be commanding a large number of masked men, and it makes more sense to put an antagonist on the cover.  There's a murder of crows flying in the space just above him.

I hadn't noticed the crow design (silly me, since I *did* notice the waves, mountains and trees). I'd say you're right about him being a Crow. I don't suppose the contract on Alistair (as a Grey Warden) is ever going to be resolved...

If the Calenhad bloodline is related to Andraste then the Trevinter Imperium will not want Alistair or any decendant of said bloodline to rule Ferelden, thus the crow contract on any Theirin, Grey Warden or not.   I think Hawke is along for the ride to guard Alistair's back and he slaughters the crows sent to kill the King of Ferelden on his quest.  This could be the info given to the Hero of Ferelden and this is why they are missing if you walk away from Morrigan at the mirror, just possibilities and speculation.  If you don't follow her through the mirror.  If you stabbed her, I'm sure there will be payback somewhere along the line.  Oh I wish they'd make a dlc of this it would so fun to play this out in a game.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Corker wrote...

I'm trying to decide if the spirally design element around Alistair is supposed to be a DNA double-helix.

ETA: I do like the waves behind Izzy and the mountains behind Varric, though.

ETA2: Dude at the bottom is either a Crow or one of their targets; probably a Crow since he seems to be commanding a large number of masked men, and it makes more sense to put an antagonist on the cover.  There's a murder of crows flying in the space just above him.

I hadn't noticed the crow design (silly me, since I *did* notice the waves, mountains and trees). I'd say you're right about him being a Crow. I don't suppose the contract on Alistair (as a Grey Warden) is ever going to be resolved...

Crows, or Orlesians?

While the presence of the birds hints toward the former, the masks (and plumes?) made me think of Orlais and the puzzle pictures in MotA.

Also a possibility.

[Ilidan_DA]

In DLC Item Pack 2 we read that Maric may be imprisoned in Orlais

Modifié par Wiedzmin182009, 18 février 2012 - 02:36 .

[IndelibleJester]

Just putting in that the bottom two are probably supposed to represent the warden and Hawke. Would make sense to me.

Modifié par IndelibleJester, 18 février 2012 - 02:47 .

[Brockololly]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...
@ Brockololly

Really? You took skelton king's crown to be dwarven? I took that crown to look more elvish in design.

The bearded guy on the crown  could be dwarven. As to whether the crown itself is of dwarven design, I have no clue. BioWare keeps changing what kind of art styles the different nations/cultures of Thedas employ. If we're going off of Origins, you'd expect dwarven armor/crown to be more angular and blocky.

whykikyouwhy wrote...
Crows, or Orlesians?

While
the presence of the birds hints toward the former, the masks (and
plumes?) made me think of Orlais and the puzzle pictures in MotA.

Considering the comic takes place in Antiva, and the first issue is known to deal specifically with the Crows, its probably the Crows.

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...
The man is paying homage to
Alistair, his salute to him as King.  I'd say the beard guy is Hawke,
makes sense with Isabela and Varric.

Not really, considering Gaider has said they'll never show the player character in any of their "canon" licensed material.

The art is cool and all, but I don't know how much you can really hypothesize from it since BioWare hasn't clearly established any nation/culture's own art syle, architecture or armor style after DA2's redesign where everyone wore the same blocky/spikey/feather-laden armor with the loading screens all having the same cave painting primitive look.

Modifié par Brockololly, 18 février 2012 - 02:53 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I hadn't noticed the crow design (silly me, since I *did* notice the waves, mountains and trees). I'd say you're right about him being a Crow. I don't suppose the contract on Alistair (as a Grey Warden) is ever going to be resolved...

Crows, or Orlesians?

While the presence of the birds hints toward the former, the masks (and plumes?) made me think of Orlais and the puzzle pictures in MotA.

Orlesians aren't the only ones to wear masks though. In DA2 the Tevinters wear masks.

FWIW I'm going for the stylised art explanation: assassins/cloaks/daggers/masks. Doesn't have to be literally what they wear or look like.

[Corker]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Crows, or Orlesians?

While the presence of the birds hints toward the former, the masks (and plumes?) made me think of Orlais and the puzzle pictures in MotA.

...Orlesian Crows? 

(I'm only half-joking... Taliesen sure sounded Fereldan...)

I missed the MotA thing.  *ponders* Given the Orlesian designs on Ferelden, and their literal placement *behind* the man in the foreground, I'd suspect the Orlesians hire the Crow.  

/ raised Catholic
// so much iconography

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

@ Brockololly

I really don't see how the figure on skelton's crown could be dwarven. His face and nose I would think would need to be fuller. The face is longer more oval. Most of the dwarves so far have very full rounded faces and large thick noses. A dwarf their necks are also very thick and stocky. No for me the figure is human, not dwarven. Also in the millions of screenshots of Alistair and the certain way he smiles, he had large teeth and so does the skelton. Whoever the skelton is they have to be a former king of Ferelden or a desendent of his. I don't see the skelton being the male Hero of Ferelden either.

Sorry I can't agree with you but I respect your opinion. Who knows you could be right also. 


Bioware did say that Hawke's story would continue they didn't say it would continue as dlc, just that it would continue.  Same with the Warden his/her story might continue and this comic would fit what they said.  I'm sure your reference to the pc was them talking about ingame, not the comic.  I have not read anything on that if they referenced the comic for or as any depiction of any player character. However a default hawke or warden for the comic can work.  It's not necessary for any pc's Hawke or warden but bioware's own default of each.  This comic is Gaider's and Bioware's canon and not any player's pc's.  Thus they can get away with using a default Hawke or Warden in the comic.  The default Warden or Hawke is in essence Bioware's and David Gaider's to do with as they wish in the comic.  Every player's pc is just as they left them and they are still right there in each player's saved game.  The comic is not going to affect any player's game except as digital airwaves and each of us who will read the comic will compare the story from the comic to our decisions in our games for our companions.

I feel in this comic they will also tell what happened to the wardens who didn't do the US.  I'm guessing the warden is dead from following this same lead that Alistiar is on or he/she tried to rescue King Maric if he was held in an Orlesian prison.  Our Wardens could have been in the thick of things while events are happening in Orlais regarding the civil war going on there. I'm guessing this comic will show what happened to the live wardens and I'm guessing those wardens that were alive at the end of WH will be found dead in this comic.  Thus all ties to Origins is now broken except for a few other companions.  They will be able to take DA3 in any direction without much crying from Origins fans.  The other forms of media to extend the lore, history, and game can be done in this manner without messing up a player character's canon.  Prime example is of what happened to Wynne in Asunder, we still have Shale walking around somewhere. 

ETA a few more thoughts.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 18 février 2012 - 04:15 .

[Blacklash93]

Brockololly wrote...
The art is cool and all, but I don't know how much you can really hypothesize from it since BioWare hasn't clearly established any nation/culture's own art syle, architecture or armor style after DA2's redesign where everyone wore the same blocky/spikey/feather-laden armor with the loading screens all having the same cave painting primitive look.

I'd probably put it along the lines of the "storybook" sequences in DA2 that served as the transition between acts, except more detailed.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 18 février 2012 - 03:52 .

[Maria13]

I think this is beautiful.

What about symbolic interpretatation? We have a triangle with each main character at a corner Alistair at the apex. A triangle representing power, stability and strength, the minimum area that can enclosed with straight lines. The triangle is golden, wealth, prosperity... Royalty. But the apex is pointing downwards: A fall, a descent, death, the past? 

Three elements: water Isabella, earth Varric, air/light Alistair (the suspended crown)

Corker has pointed out the twirly stuff's resemblance to a DNA helix which again would point to the past (and the future).

The figure down below to the left is male, to the right, female; You only see half of their faces because he is in profile and hers is half covered. The two halves which make a whole? Between them Alistair above and a dead king below. The helix design also hovers over them. Parents? Royalty? Bloodline?

I go with Isabella being pregnant, fits in with the notion of past and future.

As for the suspended crown it's pretty much a reproduction of those you see hovering over the heads of Saints or the Virgin Mary say, I guess it could be interpreted as meaning authority and power but not entirely of this world.  That would fit with what some were saying of Andraste/Calenhad.

I'll be coming back to this, I think.

PS Wouldn't say I was raised a Catholic but I lived for a long time in a Catholic culture and all this certainly resonates.

Modifié par Maria13, 18 février 2012 - 11:33 .

[Madmoe77]

Gaider in a recent interview went on about wanting to do a 'ball' or 'masquerade' in some new entry. The masks could very well be as simple as that. This may be his chance to do this since it has been done in other game formats many times. IE Assassin's Creed

[whykikyouwhy]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I hadn't noticed the crow design (silly me, since I *did* notice the waves, mountains and trees). I'd say you're right about him being a Crow. I don't suppose the contract on Alistair (as a Grey Warden) is ever going to be resolved...

Crows, or Orlesians?

While the presence of the birds hints toward the former, the masks (and plumes?) made me think of Orlais and the puzzle pictures in MotA.

Orlesians aren't the only ones to wear masks though. In DA2 the Tevinters wear masks.

FWIW I'm going for the stylised art explanation: assassins/cloaks/daggers/masks. Doesn't have to be literally what they wear or look like.

Well, nothing need be literal in the artwork. Merely, the masks reminded me of those pictures - which were probably designed by the same artist (the style seems similar).

Corker wrote...

/ raised Catholic
// so much iconography

I'm with you there. I could spend a good couple of hours tearing apart every detail, but am trying to refrain since this isn't necessarily something that appears in game (as with other things I have spent hours speculating on), and may not even parallel anything in the comic (yet).

Trying to refrain being the operative phrase....I mean, the face on the crown made me think less of dwarves and more of Davy Jones from PotC. The crows could be symbolic of a literal murder (bearded man is in a position that looks akin to swearing allegiance, yet his right hand is hidden - maybe he's holding a knife).

I think once the first issue rolls out, I'll probably be flipping back and forth between the pages and the cover.

[thats1evildude]

I think the dead guy is a dead guy. That's my hunch, anyway.

[Ilidan_DA]

Comic will also be in hard cover. It will have 80 pages and will be released July 25th The price is 14.99 $.

Pre- order.

Modifié par Wiedzmin182009, 18 février 2012 - 09:59 .

[CudaThedas]

Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

Comic will also be in hard cover. It will have 80 pages and will be released July 25th The price is 14.99 $.

YAY. Pre-order
http://specialtyreta....php?sku=20-240

[Ilidan_DA]

Sebciooo911 wrote...

Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

Comic will also be in hard cover. It will have 80 pages and will be released July 25th The price is 14.99 $.

YAY. Pre-order
http://specialtyreta....php?sku=20-240

I gave a link to preorder

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

thats1evildude wrote...

I think the dead guy is a dead guy. That's my hunch, anyway.

Fun fact about demons is that they can possess dead guys, and access their memories in some cases.

[CudaThedas]

Wiedzmin182009 wrote...
I gave a link to preorder

You gave your link a few minutes later:P

Modifié par Sebciooo911, 18 février 2012 - 10:34 .

[Ilidan_DA]

Next time look carefully 

Modifié par Wiedzmin182009, 18 février 2012 - 10:36 .