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[Kavatica]

Agelico wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
... presumably killing off Calenhad's bloodline right there and stopping whatever Yavana was chatting about.

I know the comic isn't canon, but making Calenhad blood super important when its possible there are no Calenhad decendants in the game world of DA seems kind of odd. Unless they retcon that for future games or made genuine branching paths.

That is... IF we presume, that Fiona's child IS Alistair...

How is that even a presumption? It seems like a given to me.

[Sister Goldring]

Agelico wrote...

Edit: found that link about Dragon Age: Those Who Speak on the previous page. Made me a bit sad: it's way easier to get digital comics in Russia. And those are not digital as far as I understood.

Sorry, is there some doubt that the new comics will be released digitally?

But.....but....that would make me  

Modifié par Sister Goldring, 02 mai 2012 - 11:47 .

[nightscrawl]

Kavatica wrote...

How is that even a presumption? It seems like a given to me.

I think that most people who have read the novels and post on these forums would probably say so (including me). However, that doesn't change that David Gaider, nor anyone else from Bioware, has ever confirmed it, and have in fact gone out of their way to be vague about the issue. I think part of this is not wanting the novel canon to tie too closely to the game canon, giving them more freedom with design for the games' stories, since they are a game company and these are merely game product tie-ins.

Sister Goldring wrote...

Agelico wrote...

Edit: found that link about Dragon Age: Those Who Speak on the previous page. Made me a bit sad: it's way easier to get digital comics in Russia. And those are not digital as far as I understood.

Sorry, is there some doubt that the new comics will be released digitally?

But.....but....that would make me  

Same here on the . The article/press release thing says "The first issue of Dragon Age: Those Who Speak will be available on comic book stands on August 22," suggesting a physical print version. Whether it will also be digital is anybody's guess.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 02 mai 2012 - 11:51 .

[Estelindis]

Loved the final issue. Big surprise in Alistair's decisive action!

Really looking forward to the next comic in the series. First time I've looked forward to another Bioware-based comic after reading one... In my opinion, the Mass Effect team may have produced better DLC, but the Dragon Age team has produced better comics by orders of magnitude. Well done.

[Sister Goldring]

nightscrawl wrote...

Same here on the . The article/press release thing says "The first issue of Dragon Age: Those Who Speak will be available on comic book stands on August 22," suggesting a physical print version.

Maker NO-O-O-O! 

Seriously, I can't do delayed gratification or waiting around while other people have things I want - I need digital downloads!  Come on Bioware/Darkhorse don't make me use my 'angry eyes'.

[Kavatica]

If it's via Dark Horse, I'd be pretty surprised if they didn't have a digital version.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Raonar wrote...

Maybe he was a Dragonborn?

[Corker]

Addai67 wrote...

Potentially she arranged the prison, but there's no way Alistair can know whether she did or not.  And so he just stabs her?  Sure she wanted something from him, but she was giving information and aid in return.  It's manipulative, but I don't see any justification for killing her.  Isabela last issue, and Alistair this issue, both killing someone who could potentially help them just because they didn't like the cut of their jib?

I'm very tempted to read it as him wanting somebody to pay for his pain, and Yavana was nearby.  Not a flattering interpretation, but... It does seem to be a rather shaky argument to me as well.  Especially to justify killing her cold like that.  Bit o' the templar training coming back?

Isabela... Isabela (and I'm very, very fond of the character in DA2) has never struck me as being long on foresight.  She's impulsive and emotional, and Claudio had just spent half the comic book saying some pretty vile things to her.  The  tactical thing to do might have been to spare him, but Isabela's not a tactical sort of character.  She was hurting, physically and possibly emotionally, and she was going to pay the bastard back.

Especially heroic?  Nope; a white hat would have spared the guy as he was pleading for his life.  But she's a pirate and a rogue; finishing the duel to the death suited her, I thought, even if it wasn't the most advantageous move.

[Addai]

I will give you that about Isabela. But you would think Alistair would have grown up a little in the interim. Templar fanaticism... maybe. That's just not how I had seen Alistair's arc going. Maybe this is positioning him/ Ferelden to go all pro-templar in whatever war is going to happen. Urgh.

Or Varric brought a piece of the lyrium idol with him and they're all experiencing poor impulse control. "Remember THIS? *maniacal laughter*"

[Agelico]

Kavatica wrote...

How is that even a presumption? It seems like a given to me.

And I'm not so sure. Though yeah, I've read novels and dare posting on these forums.

It would be wise for Mr. Gaider to keep someone with Calenhad blood (if it's suddenly that important) away from cruel and unpredictable player's reach. And even if, ok, not Fiona' s child, then Maric was doing who-knows-what for-who-knows-how-many-years. He could have a child with Yavana even, it writers require it.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

I was also shocked about Alistair killing her. The comic for me was a Alistair for a female warden not absolute truth but it works for my canon playthrough. He would have done the ritual with Morrigan and Morrigan took his child away. A heir that Alistair needs. It showed me he isn't messing around with Flemeth and her daughters anymore and he means business from here on out. He is going to find his father or what happened to him. If Maric is alive he can sire another child. Alistair is going on 10-12 years being tainted.  Since The Warden is missing Alistair could be furious because he lost his true love over this too with a  Male/Female Warden.  Even his own wife is missing if your character married him.

We've learned that the Theirin Bloodline is important for awakening dragons from their sleep. I also found the egg and the dragon on the last few pages reminded me of the Arch demon. I'll have to go back and read it again but doesn't Valanna mention the song? So there is some connection with the darkspawn. So for Flemeth and her daughers if Alistiar did the ritual they get a double bonus of him being a Warden and A Theirin.

A person from Trevinter possibly wants King Maric and Alistair.

Once again to very bad this wasn't new dlc for Origins. I'll wait until the wiki is updated I'm not buying anymore of them. I want a game, dlc, or expansion to play. Not comics or a movie. Personally I'd love dlc on all of our companions so far, not going to happen.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 03 mai 2012 - 02:54 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Agelico wrote...

Kavatica wrote...

How is that even a presumption? It seems like a given to me.

And I'm not so sure. Though yeah, I've read novels and dare posting on these forums.

It would be wise for Mr. Gaider to keep someone with Calenhad blood (if it's suddenly that important) away from cruel and unpredictable player's reach. And even if, ok, not Fiona' s child, then Maric was doing who-knows-what for-who-knows-how-many-years. He could have a child with Yavana even, it writers require it.

Haha, that could be Maric or Alistair's child in the egg!  Shrugs shoulders! 

[Rorschachinstein]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

I was also shocked about Alistair killing her. The comic for me was a Alistair for a female warden not absolute truth but it works for my canon playthrough. He would have done the ritual with Morrigan and Morrigan took his child away. A heir that Alistair needs. It showed me he isn't messing around with Flemeth and her daughters anymore and he means business from here on out. He is going to find his father or what happened to him. If Maric is alive he can sire another child. Alistair is going on 10-12 years being tainted.  Since The Warden is missing Alistair could be furious because he lost his true love over this too with a  Male/Female Warden.  Even his own wife is missing if your character married him.

We've learned that the Theirin Bloodline is important for awakening dragons from their sleep. I also found the egg and the dragon on the last few pages reminded me of the Arch demon. I'll have to go back and read it again but doesn't Valanna mention the song? So there is some connection with the darkspawn. So for Flemeth and her daughers if Alistiar did the ritual they get a double bonus of him being a Warden and A Theirin.

A person from Trevinter possibly wants King Maric and Alistair.

Once again to very bad this wasn't new dlc for Origins. I'll wait until the wiki is updated I'm not buying anymore of them. I want a game, dlc, or expansion to play. Not comics or a movie. Personally I'd love dlc on all of our companions so far, not going to happen.

way to spoil the book bro:pinched:


But whatever man. NO MORE CLIFFHANGERS.

[Face of Evil]

Wait, wait … people are upset because Alistair actually killed the clearly untrustworthy witch trying to resurrect some giant monster?

Modifié par Face of Evil, 03 mai 2012 - 06:42 .

[Reznore57]

About Alistair blood being "special" ,maybe it's just because it's royalty blood.The blood of rulers like dragons used to be.
I mean Marric was an easy prey for Flemeth ,he was isolated and needed help.
And it's not like it's easy to kidnap a king/queen .

And i was also a bit bit upset at the murder of yavana, it seems very sudden.But Alistair always had an issue with people like Morrigan.
It's gonna be funny watching him in Tevinter , sure he's not anti mage , but he clearly can't stand maleficarum.

[Dave of Canada]

This suffers the same reason why I absolutely loathe the Dark Ritual, it talks about preserving but doesn't give you the why. How can the reader / player know what the hell is going on if you're going to be intentionally vague about everything, always creating new questions and rarely answering anything?

"Old Gods / Dragons are important!", that's cool, we get that because we've been told countless times already but it seems everybody suddenly accepts this fact and then disregards it completely with the person unable to know the consequences of their possible decisions.  Least this isn't as bad as the Dark Ritual as they don't make the player the idiot, simply putting it on Alistair which is slightly more acceptable

[nightscrawl]

Corker wrote...

I'm very tempted to read it as him wanting somebody to pay for his pain, and Yavana was nearby. Not a flattering interpretation, but... It does seem to be a rather shaky argument to me as well. Especially to justify killing her cold like that. Bit o' the templar training coming back?

To be honest, this seems more like a Fenris moment. I would totally expect Fenris to do something like this. On the other hand, people who think this might be OOC for Alistair have forgotten his reaction if you even hint at wanting to spare Loghain, and his completely immature and short-sighted reaction if you do spare Loghain. Seriously, the ****ing world is ending, we need all the help we can get. Kill him after if you really need to.

It makes me wonder whether David wrote him in this as hardened or non-hardened Alistair, or if that even signifies as a difference to him when writing Alistair at all.

Face of Evil wrote...

Wait, wait … people are upset because Alistair actually killed the clearly untrustworthy witch trying to resurrect some giant monster?

No, they're not upset because of that. They're upset because they think it was a dumb, impulsive decision. Which it was.

[Face of Evil]

Impulsive, certainly, but hardly dumb.

[Addai]

Face of Evil wrote...

Impulsive, certainly, but hardly dumb.

"I went into this creepy swamp looking for a witch who could answer my questions about my father."
"Seems risky, did you find her?"
"I did, and she wasn't as evil as you'd expect.  She rescued my father from prison, didn't attack us, and healed my injured companion."
"Well that's good."
"So I killed her."
"..."

That apart from the fact that she knew the man who took Maric and could have helped them.  She hints that what she is doing with the dragons is important.  He doesn't even ask what she means by all her cryptic portents. Protagonist apathy for the sake of drama is getting old.

I thought the comic was pretty good, despite stretching plausibility and then with the obvious "where's Maric" gimmicks.  But to get a last dramatic twist, it resorts to plot-induced stupidity and melodrama.

[Reznore57]

Honestly , i don't want those important questions about lore to be resolved in books or comics or whatever..I wanna be able to play and saw them resolve in a game.
And sometimes i'm not even sure i want to know.
Thedas is fueled by myth ,that's what appealing for me.
Besides when you find out about it , it's often a big let down (Lost , Me 3 , etc...).
Sure we need answer to some things to keep it interesting , but things like the Makers etc ,it's a really tricky thing .

As for being an idiot ,i don't know.It's a world of magic , a lot of people use it but nobody knows where it comes from .If you know what's going on , what's at stake , decisions along the game might seems more simple.You won't have to wonder , should i trust this person?etc...

And finaly a lot of person don't read the comics ,it's unfair if it gave us a big and meaningfull revelation that might change the way we 're gonna play later.

[Face of Evil]

She wasn't giving up any further information and the whole "let's bring back the dragons" scheme sounded like bad news.

Lady, you can jabber at me all you want about how dragons are the lifeblood of Thedas, but they're still giant monsters who eat people and ravage the countryside whenever they feel like stretching their wings. Maybe Alistair acted rashly, but even if he calmly and cooly reflected on his options, stabbing the witch was still the smart option.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 03 mai 2012 - 09:15 .

[nightscrawl]

Face of Evil wrote...

Impulsive, certainly, but hardly dumb.

Heh. Being impulsive is not thinking about the consequences of your actions, even if they might harm you in the future. Seems kind of dumb to me. Or perhaps foolish is a better word.

Why do you think he isn't? Just because she wanted to do something we think is most likely evil, and he stopped her? He never learned the full extent of her plans, what his involvement might be in them, or how evil they were. It seems Alistair has forgotten that life isn't black and white, a lesson I thought he might have learned as a Warden during the Blight. You have to compromise and sometimes sacrifice a little honor for the larger goal. And sometimes you have to choose the lesser of two evils.

I maintain though that everything that goes on is all a part of some grand scheme of Flemeth's. If she hadn't saved Maric and Loghain in The Stolen Throne they never would have taken Ferelden back from Orlais, Maric would never have sired Alistair, who then might not have been in a position to help stop the Blight and possibly complete the Dark Ritual, which in turn might have ravaged most of Thedas (lulled by their 400 year complacency without a Blight), thus compromising whatever her final goal is.

[nightscrawl]

Reznore57 wrote...

And finaly a lot of person don't read the comics ,it's unfair if it gave us a big and meaningfull revelation that might change the way we 're gonna play later.

I really don't think that anything that happens in the comics or novels will imapct the game world at all. The most is add a little flavor.

For example, I had played DAO two or three times before I read The Stolen Throne and The Calling. I despised Loghain. Reading Stolen Throne really changed my view of him, but even though I understood the motive behind his actions in DAO it didn't change the fact that he did do them, nor change my corresponding feelings and actions regarding them.

Similarly with Flemeth helping Maric in Stolen Throne. If I had read that before playing DAO, the extent of my reaction would have been "OoooOooOo!! She helped the father and helped the son! What does it all mean?!" But it didn't really change anything.

[Corker]

Face of Evil wrote...

Wait, wait … people are upset because Alistair actually killed the clearly untrustworthy witch trying to resurrect some giant monster?

The how of it is what raised my eyebrow.  It wasn't done in battle - it was a surprise-attack assassination that Zevran would have found acceptable journeyman work.  Not exactly what I expect from Alistair, though.

OTOH, that *is* the best way to deal with a mage you want to take down - don't let them get a spell off.  And he was trained as a templar.

EDIT: OMG IT'S THE MURDER KNIFE.

Murder sword. Whatever.

BACK OFF, AL.  That weapon has Restriction: PC, remember? 

Modifié par Corker, 03 mai 2012 - 11:12 .

[ladyofpayne]

I hope Alistair will get Tevinter slaver's asses to medieval.