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[R2s Muse]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

So, are future installments of Alistair's adventures going to show what happened regarding mages and Templars? Considering this is set after Kirkwall and presumably Asunder.

This is something I've been wondering as well. Comic #1 says it's set in 9:38, which in  principal should be coeval with Asunder -- which for the most part says it takes place a year after the events in Kirkwall. But the END of Asunder, i.e. the actual start of the war, is 9:40.

The thing I'm *really* curious about though, is when Yavana says, "It sings of a time when dragons ruled the skies. A time before the veil, before the mysteries were forgotten." Before the veil?? Say what? So, a time when the Fade and the real world were undivided, or perhaps when there was only the Fade?

According to the Chant of Light, the Maker supposedly made the Fade and its spirits first, out of the silence, and then humans and the real "living" world after. So, were there dragons running around in a Fade-only Thedas? Or, is the real story altogether different from the Chantry's (which seems likely)?  I'm fascinated to learn the "truth" of the Old Gods and their worship, since it seems so often hinted that the Chantry has sort of rewritten history in its role as the new dominant religion.

Other thoughts?

[Reznore57]

Well this comics did put me in "Crazy theory mode"!
I always thought that Thedas and the fade used to be one.Thedas being the body and the fade soul.
Something tear the realm apart , and here we are.
There is the Dred Wolf myth with two sort of gods , that ended up trapped in the sky and the other in the abyss.
Maybe the Dred wolf has to tear the world apart to emprison them.

We know that dragon are asleep and woke by the taint , and became Archdemon , and that they sing like the lyrium , magic which is linked to the fade.

I think that dragon may be a type of god link to earth and there were another that were maybe more etheral.
And the etheral one being trapped on the dragon body , maybe abomination like.
While the dragon are asleep and their soul/mind are trapped in the fade (maybe in the golden city?)

I also think the gods are a balance for Thedas and killing them all would be a bad idea.
That's why one tricked people into the fade to spread the taint on thedas.
It awokes the gods , people then kills them.
The Dread wolf (Flemeth ) has to come out and change her plan , or her trick might be the end of the world.

I'm pretty sure the chant of light is another way for imprisoned god to manipulate mankind.
How i don't know , maybe the Tevinter Imperium was about to find something and needed a good purge.

[Corker]

R2s Muse wrote...

The thing I'm *really* curious about though, is when Yavana says, "It sings of a time when dragons ruled the skies. A time before the veil, before the mysteries were forgotten." Before the veil?? Say what? So, a time when the Fade and the real world were undivided, or perhaps when there was only the Fade?

Well...

Calenhad formed Ferelden in the Exalted Age, according to the "History of Ferelden" codex entry.  That's 400 years earlier than the Dragon Age, and the same time as Garahel was ending the prior Blight.  Certainly not the lost and misty recesses of prehistory. 

I suppose one could say that Calenhad was himself a scion of some even more ancient bloodline, but then why the hell is it "the blood of Calenhad" and not "the blood of Thorgrim Ogreslayer" or whomever?  ...Oh, because "Calenhad was born in 5:20 Exalted as the third son of a Highever merchant on hard times," per his codex entry.

Dragons were thought to go extinct in the Steel Age, which follows Exalted, so at least the part about them ruling the skies makes sense.  The other major events which happen are the qunari invasion and the Exalted Marches that push them back, and the expansion of the Orlesian Empire (and then Nevarra and Ferelden's revolts).  No mention of the Veil suddenly existing.

If I had to guess, it ties to Sandal's DA2 prophecy about "the magic coming back."  I would prefer to believe that his prophecy is actually about the dwaves (you know, the race that doesn't have magic? despite evidence of magic use in the Primeval Thaig?) but I suspect it's going to actually be broader than that.  It feels like they wanted to get a reference to this prior time ("they'll all be like they were before," says Sandal) into the comic, and they only had a single speech bubble to do it, so they had to push it a bit - even though it really doesn't seem to fit the timeline.

Or, if they're going to go *really* high-concept, we're going to have a mash-up of the Fade as a place built out of will together with "the power of stories" (always a favorite trope of writers and storytellers!) and the "place beyond the Fade" of Witch Hunt to create some realm formed by imagination, where legends walk and fight.  That Calenhad isn't the third son of a Highever merchant, he's a figure of glory and power, always clad in silvery mail and carrying a flaming sword, performing great deeds and inspiring loyalty in all, and he may well have mystical blood powerz that call to dragons because Flemeth/Yavana have somehow convinced enough people that he does.

Um...  like the Ethereal Plane in the "In Nomine" RPG, if you know that one.  I knew this was starting to feel familiar. 

Modifié par Corker, 07 mai 2012 - 01:20 .

[Face of Evil]

Corker wrote...

I suppose one could say that Calenhad was himself a scion of some even more ancient bloodline, but then why the hell is it "the blood of Calenhad" and not "the blood of Thorgrim Ogreslayer" or whomever?

Maybe nobody remembers the name or achievements of Thorgrim Ogreslayer, renowned for his mastery of pancakes.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 07 mai 2012 - 10:09 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Rorschachinstein wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

I was also shocked about Alistair killing her. The comic for me was a Alistair for a female warden not absolute truth but it works for my canon playthrough. He would have done the ritual with Morrigan and Morrigan took his child away. A heir that Alistair needs. It showed me he isn't messing around with Flemeth and her daughters anymore and he means business from here on out. He is going to find his father or what happened to him. If Maric is alive he can sire another child. Alistair is going on 10-12 years being tainted.  Since The Warden is missing Alistair could be furious because he lost his true love over this too with a  Male/Female Warden.  Even his own wife is missing if your character married him.

We've learned that the Theirin Bloodline is important for awakening dragons from their sleep. I also found the egg and the dragon on the last few pages reminded me of the Arch demon. I'll have to go back and read it again but doesn't Valanna mention the song? So there is some connection with the darkspawn. So for Flemeth and her daughers if Alistiar did the ritual they get a double bonus of him being a Warden and A Theirin.

A person from Trevinter possibly wants King Maric and Alistair.

Once again to very bad this wasn't new dlc for Origins. I'll wait until the wiki is updated I'm not buying anymore of them. I want a game, dlc, or expansion to play. Not comics or a movie. Personally I'd love dlc on all of our companions so far, not going to happen.

way to spoil the book bro:pinched:


But whatever man. NO MORE CLIFFHANGERS.

Sorry, just following the flow of the discussion.

[Blacklash93]

@Corker

Yavana is obviously referring to a time before any history we currently know of in Thedas. Way before even the Black City incident.

[Zangler1]

Don't mean to interrupt any serious convo...just re-read the series, and it just dawned on me: they changed Alistair's eye color! In the games he has brown eyes, but in the comic their blue. Huh. I know it's a really superficial thing to notice, but I guess I just sensitive to it; I alway thought of his brown eyes as a connection to his mother (or the person I hope is his mother). It sort of set him apart from Maric and Cailan, I felt. Huh.

[Brockololly]

Zangler1 wrote...

Don't mean to interrupt any serious convo...just re-read the series, and it just dawned on me: they changed Alistair's eye color! In the games he has brown eyes, but in the comic their blue. Huh. I know it's a really superficial thing to notice, but I guess I just sensitive to it; I alway thought of his brown eyes as a connection to his mother (or the person I hope is his mother). It sort of set him apart from Maric and Cailan, I felt. Huh.

Yeah, its that kind of thing that makes me wonder if its just lack of attention to detail or an unecessary retcon. I don't get it. Considering the people buying these comics are going to be your super fans of DA that notice these little details, I don't know why they'd miss little things like this- unless its deliberate for whatever reason.

[uknowitbeb]

But did he actually kill Yavana? And if so, will you introduce other witches of the wilds into the story?

[Reznore57]

It happens often in comics that character doesn't match the original ,so Alistair's blue eyes didn't surprise me much.
Actually sometimes it can get worse when there's a change in the people who's drawning it.
Suddenly the whole style change and you barely reconize characters from the previous issue.

[Zangler1]

Reznore57 wrote...

It happens often in comics that character doesn't match the original ,so Alistair's blue eyes didn't surprise me much.
Actually sometimes it can get worse when there's a change in the people who's drawning it.
Suddenly the whole style change and you barely reconize characters from the previous issue.

Oh I know! It just bothered me 'cause I always considered it a connection between him and a certain brown-eyed elf.   Heck, I was actually really hoping they'd address that issue in the comics to be honest. I loved watching the story unhold--it was very interesting, but it seems like every new installment of the Dragon Age franchise adds as many questions as it answers. Not a bad thing of course, just a lot of answers I'm still hoping for.  

[Ilidan_DA]

Dragon Age: Those Who Speak #2 (of 3) Cover and description:



Kidnapped by cultists and held in separate cells, King Alistair and his allies wait to learn what their captors want from them. First to face questioning is the pirate Isabela, in a deadly battle of wits that reveals many tragedies from her past! With Isabela near her breaking point, Alistair’s quest to find his father seems lost!

Source

Modifié par Wiedzmin182009, 09 juin 2012 - 01:41 .

[MKDAWUSS]

You know, it'd be interesting to see the fan reaction if Alistair and Isabela have a love scene in one of these comics.

[Ilidan_DA]

"For anyone who missed it: Sten appears in the second DA comic series Those Who Speak" - David Gaider

Source

Modifié par Wiedzmin182009, 15 juillet 2012 - 10:24 .

[Reznore57]

oO?
Sten in Tevinter? Maybe fighting the Imperium?
That's kinda cool , and nice dialogue ahead:
Alistair: Hey Sten!It's been a while , how have you been?
Sten: No.

I think the first issue is published in August?

I wonder if there's gonna be a hardcover edition for The Silent Grove and Those Who Speak (together in one volume ^^) , I might be interested in it...

[Ilidan_DA]

Sten the Cookie Monster

The dialog of Sten and Alistair:

Alistair: Hello Sten. What are you doing here?
Sten: I’m looking for cookies.
Alistair: I know where you can find them.
Sten: Where?
Alistair: The cultists took them.
Sten: Good. Then I’ll help you fight.

Edit

Although BioWare and DarkHorse panel was mainly focused on Mass Effect universe, some Dragon Age information had to be revealed as well. Thanks to editors of Newsarama we know some new details about the upcoming comics Dragon Age: Those Who Speak. If you are interested in David Gaider’s writing and you like the new story, I invite you to read more in the extension.

This are new information:

Starting off with Dragon Age: The Silent Grove, which was digital first and recently released in print.

Gaider "When BioWare came to me and asked if I'd like to write a Dragon Age adventure I said hell yes. Then they asked if I'd use the characters from the games and I said hell yes"

"Taking Alistair, Varric, and Isabela, some of my favorites from both games, and slapping them together was pretty fun!"

Now Dragon Age: Those Who Speak, again featuring Alistair is coming later this summer

Marshall "Again they'll travel to locations you've heard about in the game but have never actually seen"

Gaider "Yeah, they're continuing the search from Silent Grove, and this time it will take them to the Tevinter Imperium!"

The series will not just show Tevinter for the first time, but also introduce some new characters - heroes AND villains.

The second series will feature all three of those core characters, but be a very pivotal story for Isabela in particular.

Gaider "There will be three series total in this initial arc. The first focused on Alistair, this one on Isabela and will tell a bit about how she became a pirate"

Sten from Dragon Age: Origins will also be making an appearance in "Those Who Speak"

Atkins asked the panel "What do you think is the most satisfying part of bringing these games into comics?"

Gaider "The part I like is that there are some stories that fit better in a novel or a comic. I wouldn't be amiss that your favorite part of the games is the characters. Getting to see them and their story, pick up some threads that the game left unanswered, their history or a dangling plotline. It lets you play with things more fully. it answers those questions but also provides a separate enough adventure."

Gaider, "Yeah, we'd love to put all of this into a game, but we can't do those kinds of individual side stories."

Gaider also said he loves that Sylvia approaches Dragon Age a bit as a fan, both in the game and comics

Atkins, "What's the difference in the writing process?"

Gaider, "The first is that you don't have a player character, which may sound pretty obvious, but it makes the process very different.

The other thing is the hard limit of the space. For a game we're talking upwards of a 100 hours, for a novel we're talking hundreds of thousands of words. So having a hard 22 page limit changes the way the story goes. You have to have little arcs instead of one 100 hour arc."

"It's been fun to see the different challenges and advantages of working between games, novels, and comics."

Gaider, "I'm not gonna tell me long crazy story how I started working at BioWare right now.

"I started with BioWare 13 years ago for Baldur's Gate 2.

Dragon Age was my next logical step, then we started looking at the novels and comics and it's beneficial for us having these other stories and getting the actual staff to work on them, fans appreciate that, too. That's how that came to be!"

Gaider, "Sometimes it's hard when you love a character so much and don't want to kill them, but if you don't follow through with their story and they need to die for the story you're doing them a disservice."

Source

Modifié par Wiedzmin182009, 15 juillet 2012 - 08:11 .

[Reznore57]

Thanks Wiedzmin182009 !

Gaider, "Sometimes it's hard when you love a character so much and don't want to kill them, but if you don't follow through with their story and they need to die for the story you're doing them a disservice."

This last sentence kind of scares me ...I hope there's no major death in Those Who Speak ...

[azarhal]

Reznore57 wrote...

Thanks Wiedzmin182009 !

Gaider, "Sometimes it's hard when you love a character so much and don't want to kill them, but if you don't follow through with their story and they need to die for the story you're doing them a disservice."

This last sentence kind of scares me ...I hope there's no major death in Those Who Speak ...

He might be talking about Marric. He pretty much created the character and wrote him before.

Or he's talking about Isabela. All the hints about exploring her past is a huge "death flag"...

[Ilidan_DA]

Promotional pages of the newest comic book Dragon Age: Those Who Speak have been released into the net. The credits for the first release goes to newsmen of Newsarama.com where the pages were seen first. What  new adventures await the young king? We don't know it yet but if you want to know how the mysterious Aurelian Titus looks like you can see it  in the extension.

Modifié par Wiedzmin182009, 08 août 2012 - 11:46 .

[Brockololly]

Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

Promotional pages of the newest comic book Dragon Age: Those Who Speak have been released into the net. The credits for the first release goes to newsmen of Newsarama.com where the pages were seen first. What  new adventures await the young king? We don't know it yet but if you want to know how the mysterious Aurelian Titus looks like you can see it  in the extension.

Nice find!

Ughh...seriously, who is coloring these comics? Since when is Alistair a ginger!?

If those outfits are indicitive of Tevinter....they seem sort of out of place with DA? Monocles,Alistair's miltary looking shoulder board/aiguillette and the sort of more victorian look to the clothing. I don't know...it looks more modern than I figured Tevinter would especially look since I figured Tevinter was more modeled after Rome and Byzantine. Those guys look more how I pictured Orlais.

[thats1evildude]

Well, the Tevinter Imperium can't be all bad if they've developed monocle technology.

In my mind, Tevinter has always had a bit of an "Imperial Britain" feel to it, as I half-expected Caladrius to offer me tea at some point. I see now that the Tevinter Imperium is more like what you'd get if the ancient Roman Empire and the British Empire had a baby and taught it blood magic.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 09 août 2012 - 09:12 .

[Ilidan_DA]

Aurelian Titus - A Magister of the Tevinter Imperium. He is first mentioned in Dragon Age: The Silent Grove where it is said that he knows what might have happened to King Maric. It was Aurelian himself who told the Prince of Antiva to capture Alistair. In the second issue of the comics, the readers can see the Magister for the first time.

His robe is decorated with a dragon head, which may lead to the assumption that Aurelian is the cultists leader.

Modifié par Wiedzmin182009, 09 août 2012 - 04:20 .

[nightscrawl]

Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

Promotional pages of the newest comic book Dragon Age: Those Who Speak have been released into the net. The credits for the first release goes to newsmen of Newsarama.com where the pages were seen first. What  new adventures await the young king? We don't know it yet but if you want to know how the mysterious Aurelian Titus looks like you can see it  in the extension.

You've found some nice gems for us, thanks. Interesting Isabela narration on that page.

[Urzon]

Huh...

I wonder if he's Danarius' younger brother, because they both got that cliched villain look down pat.

Modifié par Urzon, 09 août 2012 - 09:33 .

[Reznore57]

The room they're in ,remind me of The Viscount Keep in Kirkwall .
I knew Kirkwall had a big Imperium influence ...But I hope Tevinter building are gonna be less...bland?

And i kinda hope it's not gonna be all "grrr we're Tevinter mages , we hold slaves and bath in their blood 'cause we're all evil mouahaha".