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[Firky]

Hi. I really enjoyed the first 2 "Those who Speak" comics.

Is this a spoiler thread? Probably.

Edit. Whoops. This is the no spoilers forum. Well. **vaguely mildish spoilers below**

I just didn't entirely understand everyone's motivations for fighting each other in this one. Was it just escape or something more? And, wasn't "Arishok" acting a bit oddly after the fight? Like, a bit out of character for an Arishok, even if he did know (and respect?) Alistair? And I don't understand the significance of Isabela's name. I think some stuff went over my head.

But, overall, I really enjoyed this series of comics. It's really cool to get a different insight into Isabela, in particular. (Although, she looked like a real person on her cover in the first series, which I was really impressed by. I don't really have a problem with her cover in the second series, just that I was like, "aw," by comparison. Just stylistic difference, I guess.) But, she's now one of my favourite characters. I didn't really even notice her until the comics.

Modifié par Firky, 14 novembre 2012 - 09:02 .

[Ilidan_DA]

Spoiler !!!!!!: Isabella real name - Naishe

Modifié par Wiedzmin182009, 14 novembre 2012 - 10:17 .

[Reznore57]

Sten "I will explain you everything , Alistair"
Alistair"it can wait"
THE END.

/head desk

Everyone was fighting because 1/ they were trying to convert Isabella by force.
2/Sten hold hostage Alistair.

Sten "Arishok" wasn't really acting strange , it's Sten he likes to get his ass kick , I think it helps him put things in perspective .

About Isabella name , the qunari are obsessed about naming stuff , the name of something seems very important for them.
Isabella put her past behind her including her original name.
She's been tortured so she will confess her old name.
Qunari are pretty brutal when it comes to psychology ,anyway the way i see it it was a way for her to come to terms with her past and really move on .
Hopefully she didn't move on to the qun.

And i think Isabella quote Fenris , not sure it's the case , but hey i'd like to think so.
There were a few remimder of DA:O when you can beat sten and he will respect you more and chose you as a leader.
And DA:2 , Varric lying to the qunari about the duel .Something he probably pick up when Hawke defeated the Arishok.

[Firky]

That Sten fighting and getting respect thing in Origins is a good point.

But, why do they care about Isabela's former name? Does it reveal something about her true nature? Otherwise, why would they care? Somewhere in the series, Isabela said a ship captain had dubbed her "Isabela;" pretty thing. That makes sense. But, I don't get the significance of her other name.

[whykikyouwhy]

Firky wrote...

That Sten fighting and getting respect thing in Origins is a good point.

But, why do they care about Isabela's former name? Does it reveal something about her true nature? Otherwise, why would they care? Somewhere in the series, Isabela said a ship captain had dubbed her "Isabela;" pretty thing. That makes sense. But, I don't get the significance of her other name.

Perhaps getting Isabela to reveal her real name was part of the torture - wearing her down until she gave something that she had not divulged before. Getting under her skin, into her subconscious and such. So to have her finally say it would have been some coup, some small victory and a way to gain ownership over her.

I'm not sure it has any significance other than that. Perhaps it's supposed to mean something in Rivaini though.

[Firky]

Yeah. Maybe I'm attributing the name thing more meaning than it deserves. I did, however, go back and read the other two. It seems to be a common theme.

In the 2nd one, the "Those Who Speak" lady says,

"There is a woman inside you who fights against this injustice, as your mother did, who struggles to make things right. She has a name."

"Then let all your names be erased. The Qun welcomes you."

It's a bit like she has a fascination with names, like she's trying to glean some information from Isabela about her true nature, or something.

Even back in the first comic, "You must be Isabela, Lord Devon lit up when he heard your name." Then, what happened next wasn't entirely explained. (Was it?)

Anyway. I think it's a really interesting theme, if it is one. I just don't entirely understand it.

PS. Oh and, Isabela hints at choosing a new name, like a fresh identity? 

Modifié par Firky, 15 novembre 2012 - 07:12 .

[whykikyouwhy]

 Well, there is a belief that one's "true name" is indicative of one's true nature. It's usually a concept seen as related to magic or even religion, so perhaps that's what the theme was in TWS. Know the true name, and thus hold/own the power of the person.

And yeah, it seems like Isabela is going to adopt a new moniker. Which I personally don't see as necessary. She isn't so much leaving her past behind as she did before (when she adopted a new name). If anything, she seems to "own" her name, and her past, all the more. Comic-wise, she's forgiven herself, or made amends, which is sort of akin to her entire arc in DA2. 

So...who knows if there will actually be a name change for the next trilogy, which should be Varric-centric, I believe. I rather like her as Isabela. It suits her, but that's just my opinion.

[Estelindis]

I didn't want to put myself through suspense, so I bought the three issues together today. Good stuff!

I wonder what it means that the line of Calenhad has dragon blood in its veins. We know that Flemeth could shape-shift into a dragon, or maybe she was a dragon who could shift into a human, or maybe something else altogether. Could the Old Gods have had this power as well? Does Alistair have this ancient blood in his veins as a result of that? How does this combine with the darkspawn taint that he has from being a Grey Warden?

Colour me intrigued!

[Reznore57]

I don't think Isabella will change her name.
I think it was just her way to say that names aren't important , that she can change , that she doesn't need to fill a role like the qun demand.

About the blood , well , I'm still stuck on Sten "I have a theory" Alistair : Whatever.Later."
I'm traumatised!
But the shapeshifting + babies making is interesting .But if it was from flemeth blood , Morrigan and her daughter could awake dragons too.
It doesn't seem to be the case.

My bet is all this is related to the beginning of the Imperium.If I remember correctly humans fought elves with actual dragons.
I always found it really strange that a young nation could destroy a very old empire like that.
And the elves were better at magic , too.

Besides the blood can awake dragon , i don't think it's just a side effect that nobody ever predicted.
Maybe a blood pact between some human and dragons/old god.

The only thing that doesn't match is Calenhad line is quite recent compared to stuff like Arlathan .

[Estelindis]

Oh, maybe it was blood magic! Blood magic makes every great, right? ;-)

[R2s Muse]

Reznore57 wrote...

I don't think Isabella will change her name.
I think it was just her way to say that names aren't important , that she can change , that she doesn't need to fill a role like the qun demand.

About the blood , well , I'm still stuck on Sten "I have a theory" Alistair : Whatever.Later."
I'm traumatised!
But the shapeshifting + babies making is interesting .But if it was from flemeth blood , Morrigan and her daughter could awake dragons too.
It doesn't seem to be the case.

My bet is all this is related to the beginning of the Imperium.If I remember correctly humans fought elves with actual dragons.
I always found it really strange that a young nation could destroy a very old empire like that.
And the elves were better at magic , too.

Besides the blood can awake dragon , i don't think it's just a side effect that nobody ever predicted.
Maybe a blood pact between some human and dragons/old god.

The only thing that doesn't match is Calenhad line is quite recent compared to stuff like Arlathan .

LOL Yeah, Sten/Arishok's non-explaining drove me crazy at the end. Argh! Want to know now!

I'm also baffled by the Calenhad had actual dragon blood in him notion. Say what? I had also been thinking of the whole Flemeth-is-an-old-god dragoney connection, but good point that she (and Yavanna!) should have been able to wake dragons on their own, if that were the case.

I also got the sense that Isabela was going to change her name... I couldn't tell if she'd decided names were important... or not.

[Corker]

Firky wrote...

Anyway. I think it's a really interesting theme, if it is one. I just don't entirely understand it.

I'm with you on this, Firky. 

I really like whykikyouwhy's "There are four lights!" theory, but... Raasan really does hammer on the "names mean things" idea in #2.  Which is perfectly reasonable for a qunari name, but a bas name?  Would have no more meaning than the sounds of beasts, I would think.

[Reznore57]

I think the name in itself is irrelevent , I don't think the priestress wants to know the meaning of the name .
She wants to know the story behind it.
But Isabella did change her name once, she did assume another identity , another "role".
She went from poor girl who's sold to a merchant to pirate queen.
Isabella is fierce and independant , she's a fighter , I think Raasan see some potential in her , something that can be valuable to the Qunari.
But let's face it , Isabella the pirate queen loves her freedom more than anything , Isabella will never submit to the Qun.

But the girl she used to be?Who knows ,maybe there is something there.Something to use to say "hey look! All the mistake Isabella did was because of what Naishe had to endured.In the qun , we will give you something new , a new role , a new name."

Like being "reborn" except this time it will be under the Qun , so no more mistakes obviously...

[TEWR]

To spoil something about the upcoming comic or not to spoil something about the upcoming comic, that is the question!

[R2s Muse]

spoil!! (oh wait... was my inner monologue still on...?)

[TEWR]

Well, as it turns out I was most likely in slowpoke mode, so chances are you've already picked up on it: Bianca, the Dwarven girl Varric made a promise to, is going to appear.

Just goes to show that even a day or two makes all the difference between what's known and what's not known on the BSN.

[Eshiaya]

Out of curiosity does the comic or anywhere else explain how Alistair, Varric and Isabella came linking up and going on this adventure? Thanks

[Face of Evil]

Alistair asked Isabela to back him up and Isabela brought Varric along for the ride.

As to why Alistair asked Isabela for help, it's because a) she's a pirate who works for money, and he couldn't rely on anyone from Ferelden helping him, since he's basically abandoning his throne to go on a mad quest. Just like his dad!

[Eshiaya]

Thank you!