I could argue your canon is fanfiction to me, but do I make a fuss about it?Brockololly wrote...
If your primary interest is the games, all this stuff feels like Bizarro World fan fiction that overrides the player's universe. *shrugs*
Mr.House wrote...
None of my choices have been overrided though.
Modifié par Brockololly, 16 octobre 2011 - 03:36 .
Modifié par Kail Ashton, 16 octobre 2011 - 03:42 .
Brockololly wrote...
I do wonder if this canon/default universe Gaider is rolling with is the same as the "default" Origins world state which can be selected for DA2, with the Warden being a Human Noble who did the DR and had Alistair as King?
But it is the US Warden in Awakening if you decide to import him, because all the references stay in place and you aren't given the option to roll with an Orlesian Warden. Which makes one wonder why the latter is even there if not for the existing fans, because I doubt that many jumped into the series with Awakening.Blacklash93 wrote...
That's rather sad if you're going to give up on a very interesting franchise just because they're doing things a little differently than Mass Effect.Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Sigh, I might as well completely give up on Dragon Age...
The writing team wants to develop existing characters and they aren't going to avoid them for the sake of your personal canon. Same for the Warden, they wanted players to enjoy their Warden more even if they did the US. That doesn't mean the Warden was actually in Awakening if you imported that save into DA2. Whether it was your Warden or the Orlesian Warden is left intentionally ambiguous.
But apparently it kills people when they're expected to use their imaginations a little bit.
It doesn't exactly encourage to keep up with the series, either. Especially when it isn't the first choice they simply brush aside.Mr.House wrote...
No it does not, this is Gaiders Thedas, if your Thedas is not like his then this story, same as the upcomnig book happen diffrently or not at all. It's not hard to grasp.
Which explains your attitude towards all this.Mr.House wrote...
None of my choices have been overrided though.
All the references to the Warden in DA2 regarding the events Awakening are ambiguous. It could have been the Orlesian Warden even if you imported the US ending. They never say which one it was.Kaiser Shepard wrote...
But it is the US Warden in Awakening if you decide to import him, because all the references stay in place and you aren't given the option to roll with an Orlesian Warden. Which makes one wonder why the latter is even there if not for the existing fans, because I doubt that many jumped into the series with Awakening.
Also, the franchise was interesting primarily because of the (illusion of) choice(s) we were given, with that element gone it simply becomes a generic hack-'n'-slash with a dialogue system.
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Xilizhra wrote...
It's rather ironic. Dragon Age is the victim of its own choice system; Had it had fewer choices, like Mass Effect, this would never have been a problem. It's just that too many important characters are killable for the canon to acknowledge everything; I admit, I think it's that part that was the primary mistake. At least they've been learning in DA2, ensuring that Isabela and Varric are available no matter what.
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Yet you are still on the forums for DA2rak72 wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
It's rather ironic. Dragon Age is the victim of its own choice system; Had it had fewer choices, like Mass Effect, this would never have been a problem. It's just that too many important characters are killable for the canon to acknowledge everything; I admit, I think it's that part that was the primary mistake. At least they've been learning in DA2, ensuring that Isabela and Varric are available no matter what.
The choices were what made DAO great. Ity's the screwing around with them after the fact that is f-in everything up. The lack of choices is the primary reason DA2 sucks balls. Grr - I'm really mad I'm going to sleep now.
so sick of Dragon Age
Modifié par Mr.House, 16 octobre 2011 - 03:48 .
In a scenario of such ambiguity, coming up with a worthwhile expanded universe would be tricky, at best.rak72 wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
It's rather ironic. Dragon Age is the victim of its own choice system; Had it had fewer choices, like Mass Effect, this would never have been a problem. It's just that too many important characters are killable for the canon to acknowledge everything; I admit, I think it's that part that was the primary mistake. At least they've been learning in DA2, ensuring that Isabela and Varric are available no matter what.
The choices were what made DAO great. Ity's the screwing around with them after the fact that is f-in everything up. The lack of choices is the primary reason DA2 sucks balls. Grr - I'm really mad I'm going to sleep now.
so sick of Dragon Age
Blacklash93 wrote...
I could argue your canon is fanfiction to me, but do I make a fuss about it?Brockololly wrote...
If your primary interest is the games, all this stuff feels like Bizarro World fan fiction that overrides the player's universe. *shrugs*
I can't really see why people would rather these characters to be ignored and undeveloped for the sake of a minority of playthroughs. Would you rather they never have any substantial involvement in the series ever again?
Mr.House wrote...
Yet your still on the forums for DA2rak72 wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
It's rather ironic. Dragon Age is the victim of its own choice system; Had it had fewer choices, like Mass Effect, this would never have been a problem. It's just that too many important characters are killable for the canon to acknowledge everything; I admit, I think it's that part that was the primary mistake. At least they've been learning in DA2, ensuring that Isabela and Varric are available no matter what.
The choices were what made DAO great. Ity's the screwing around with them after the fact that is f-in everything up. The lack of choices is the primary reason DA2 sucks balls. Grr - I'm really mad I'm going to sleep now.
so sick of Dragon Age
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I seriously doubt the majority of fans would go out of their way to set up the death of a character in the playthroughs they take seriously.RagingCyclone wrote...
Blacklash93 wrote...
I could argue your canon is fanfiction to me, but do I make a fuss about it?Brockololly wrote...
If your primary interest is the games, all this stuff feels like Bizarro World fan fiction that overrides the player's universe. *shrugs*
I can't really see why people would rather these characters to be ignored and undeveloped for the sake of a minority of playthroughs. Would you rather they never have any substantial involvement in the series ever again?
For starters...too many options available...and how do you know what the "minority" is?
Second, why not use the same line of thinking like they used for Talis? She's not a permanent npc, you have some but not overall changing interaction with, and she is the main focus of Redemption.
And lastly...if there is this whole world of Thedas why limit it to a handful of characters? If each game is going to have a different protagonist then why not also follow suit and have new characters to expand Thedas in other media? After all haven't the devs stated they wanted to explore Thedas more? Kind of boring, imho, if seen through the eyes of the same people all of the time.
rak72 wrote...
The choices were what made DAO great.
There was alot of chocies in DAO and DAO gave a fantastic illusion but in the end, choices ment nothing since it always ended in the same outcome. Archdemon dies. Let's compare this to say TW2 which choices do have a meanning, There is so many outcomes it's not even funny.jlb524 wrote...
rak72 wrote...
The choices were what made DAO great.
Those choices had no real effect on the ending, though.
It's not as if the Warden failed to stop the Blight b/c s/he decided to pass up on the golem army, for instance.
Blacklash93 wrote...
I seriously doubt the majority of fans would go out of their way to set up the death of a character in the playthroughs they take seriously.RagingCyclone wrote...
Blacklash93 wrote...
I could argue your canon is fanfiction to me, but do I make a fuss about it?Brockololly wrote...
If your primary interest is the games, all this stuff feels like Bizarro World fan fiction that overrides the player's universe. *shrugs*
I can't really see why people would rather these characters to be ignored and undeveloped for the sake of a minority of playthroughs. Would you rather they never have any substantial involvement in the series ever again?
For starters...too many options available...and how do you know what the "minority" is?
Second, why not use the same line of thinking like they used for Talis? She's not a permanent npc, you have some but not overall changing interaction with, and she is the main focus of Redemption.
And lastly...if there is this whole world of Thedas why limit it to a handful of characters? If each game is going to have a different protagonist then why not also follow suit and have new characters to expand Thedas in other media? After all haven't the devs stated they wanted to explore Thedas more? Kind of boring, imho, if seen through the eyes of the same people all of the time.
And why not develop characters people have grown attached to? I love these characters and want to see their stories continue in other mediums.
Alistair can still be king with Loghain alive.RagingCyclone wrote...
Bolded---read his twitter...it was linked in this thread...Alistair is KING...that's a pretty large limitation on more than just those that killed him. It means Loghain is dead, he did not run off to be a GW, he is not drunkenstair...
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Modifié par Mr.House, 16 octobre 2011 - 04:04 .
Sure, they can be all ambiguous about it afterwards, but that doesn't change the fact that it isn't whilst actually playing that part of the story.Blacklash93 wrote...
All the references to the Warden in DA2 regarding the events Awakening are ambiguous. It could have been the Orlesian Warden even if you imported the US ending. They never say which one it was.Kaiser Shepard wrote...
But it is the US Warden in Awakening if you decide to import him, because all the references stay in place and you aren't given the option to roll with an Orlesian Warden. Which makes one wonder why the latter is even there if not for the existing fans, because I doubt that many jumped into the series with Awakening.
Also, the franchise was interesting primarily because of the (illusion of) choice(s) we were given, with that element gone it simply becomes a generic hack-'n'-slash with a dialogue system.
Bioware lets the player enjoy their US Warden a bit more and then overwrites the Orlesian Warden in his/her place when all is said and done in Awakening.
The series also has hugely interesting lore, great characters (worth developing in other mediums despite what the player may have chose), and a ton of intrigue. That's worth sticking around for if you ask me.
Brockololly wrote...
I really don't care what they do in this Bizarro World DA so long as stuff from the comics/movies/books doesn't end up dictating future events in the games such that they retcon the player's past events from the games.
It's the bsn LucyLucy_Glitter wrote...
Gaider has said his comic is not canon.
So please, guys, calm down.
rak72 wrote...
It would have been nice if they didn't cut off the dao dlc so soon & let the warden help find his mom. And, yea, the blight ends in everyones games, but that can be about the only similar thing depending on who's games you are comparing.
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