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[JeffZero]

sympathyforsaren wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

sympathyforsaren wrote...

I cancelled my preorder, going to wait for reviews and a drop in price.

Multiplayer, imo, is immersion breaking, takes significance away from Shepard, will be a shootfest against waves of baddies and has zero place in the Mass Effect trilogy.

Rad, dude.

Anyway, I can't wait.

Awesome, dudebro

I get it.

I do get it.

It's funny. Clever. Categorizing me just like that. Taking off with the 'rad, dude' and going for the obvious response. Very classy.*

*I haven't once played an online shooter in my entire life though.

Modifié par JeffZero, 16 octobre 2011 - 07:11 .

[JerkyJohnny14]

A Krogan Infiltrator.

[sympathyforsaren]

Ruud333 wrote...

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Multiplayer, imo, is immersion breaking,

How does something completely separate from the SP campaign break you immersion?  You need never actually play the MP portion of the game if you so choose.

sympathyforsaren wrote...

takes significance away from Shepard,

How?  Again, the SP game is separate and still as focused on Shepard as the first two games.

sympathyforsaren wrote...

will be a shootfest against waves of baddies

How do you know that?  It could be a series of objective driven missions, rather than a ME version of Horde/Firefight.

sympathyforsaren wrote...

and has zero place in the Mass Effect trilogy.

Thats funny because it seems to have one

It does apparently...Gears of War fans who want a Mass Gears are loving it. Me and others have had enough.

How does it break immersion? Through my perspective, that's how. It said you will be shooting waves of baddies, so I don't get how you think it'll be objective driven missions. What, an objective to capture the flag? Cover somebody while they hack? Lol. Give me a break.

I can't believe how the Gears crowd sabotaged Mass Effect. So frustrating.

[alex90c]

sympathyforsaren wrote...

I cancelled my preorder, going to wait for reviews and a drop in price.

Multiplayer, imo, is immersion breaking, takes significance away from Shepard, will be a shootfest against waves of baddies and has zero place in the Mass Effect trilogy.

Oh look it's that word again.

I wish people would use it properly, say if they are commenting on something a character says in a game which breaks the fourth wall, but "multiplayer is immersion breaking"? Really?

The way I see it (and it actually helps immersion) is that I have my Shepard, and lets just say 3 million people buy ME3, and every single one of those people play co-op. That would mean I have my Shepard doing his/her bit fighting the Reapers while in the wider scale there's these 3 million other soldiers fighting against the threat too which just makes the Reaper threat so much more like it's threatening massive numbers of people.

[JeffZero]

sympathyforsaren wrote...
I can't believe how the Gears crowd sabotaged Mass Effect. So frustrating.

Haven't played that either. 

[sympathyforsaren]

JeffZero wrote...

sympathyforsaren wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

sympathyforsaren wrote...

I cancelled my preorder, going to wait for reviews and a drop in price.

Multiplayer, imo, is immersion breaking, takes significance away from Shepard, will be a shootfest against waves of baddies and has zero place in the Mass Effect trilogy.

Rad, dude.

Anyway, I can't wait.

Awesome, dudebro

I get it.

I do get it.

It's funny. Clever. Categorizing me just like that. Taking off with the 'rad, dude' and going for the obvious response. Very classy.*

*I haven't once played an online shooter in my entire life though.

Thanks for your kindness...those were kind words and it means a lot to me.

All I did was state an opinion and you sought me out and got sarcastic. Not tolerated.

I wonder how long it'll take ME3 to get to $25. It might be a while, but I'm expecting a backlash ala DA2 after we see a watered down single player. We only have existing games to look at and analyze a logical inference founded upon reality as to what happens. I wonder if multiplayer will be as linear as singleplayer appears.

[staindgrey]

sympathyforsaren wrote...

It does apparently...Gears of War fans who want a Mass Gears are loving it. Me and others have had enough.

How does it break immersion? Through my perspective, that's how. It said you will be shooting waves of baddies, so I don't get how you think it'll be objective driven missions. What, an objective to capture the flag? Cover somebody while they hack? Lol. Give me a break.

I can't believe how the Gears crowd sabotaged Mass Effect. So frustrating.

I don't get it. Really. You seem like you have a good head on your shoulders, but your generalizations and refusal to simply ignore a mode you don't want to play are coming off as very, very childish.

Arguing that multiplayer took away from single player development-- while unfounded-- is a worthy argument. But you are purposefully ignoring the fact that you do not have to even play the multiplayer, thus it doesn't break your immersion unless you're trying to make that happen, just to spite the mode t hat you don't like.

Essentially, you've just walked into your favorite restaurant, realized they put something new on the menu that you don't like, then raged about it to the other customers, instead of simply not ordering it. That's childish. And though you are free to share your opinion like anyone else, I really can't take your arguments seriously at all in this state. Be reasonable in your ire so we can have a legitimate conversation about this.

[sympathyforsaren]

alex90c wrote...

sympathyforsaren wrote...

I cancelled my preorder, going to wait for reviews and a drop in price.

Multiplayer, imo, is immersion breaking, takes significance away from Shepard, will be a shootfest against waves of baddies and has zero place in the Mass Effect trilogy.

Oh look it's that word again.

I wish people would use it properly, say if they are commenting on something a character says in a game which breaks the fourth wall, but "multiplayer is immersion breaking"? Really?

The way I see it (and it actually helps immersion) is that I have my Shepard, and lets just say 3 million people buy ME3, and every single one of those people play co-op. That would mean I have my Shepard doing his/her bit fighting the Reapers while in the wider scale there's these 3 million other soldiers fighting against the threat too which just makes the Reaper threat so much more like it's threatening massive numbers of people.

Individual perspective. What's so hard to comprehend about that? I'm not alone, either, as I'm sure you're aware of.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

I look forward to it...as I've said before...if you are still excited about ME3 after playing ME2 (poor story compared to ME1 and more "action" based), than you shouldn't have any problem with the MP.

Plus I think they are devoting more resources to ME3 than 2 (or rather did devote more resources)

[alex90c]

sympathyforsaren wrote...

alex90c wrote...

sympathyforsaren wrote...

I cancelled my preorder, going to wait for reviews and a drop in price.

Multiplayer, imo, is immersion breaking, takes significance away from Shepard, will be a shootfest against waves of baddies and has zero place in the Mass Effect trilogy.

Oh look it's that word again.

I wish people would use it properly, say if they are commenting on something a character says in a game which breaks the fourth wall, but "multiplayer is immersion breaking"? Really?

The way I see it (and it actually helps immersion) is that I have my Shepard, and lets just say 3 million people buy ME3, and every single one of those people play co-op. That would mean I have my Shepard doing his/her bit fighting the Reapers while in the wider scale there's these 3 million other soldiers fighting against the threat too which just makes the Reaper threat so much more like it's threatening massive numbers of people.

Individual perspective. What's so hard to comprehend about that? I'm not alone, either, as I'm sure you're aware of.

Then what I'm saying I guess is that your "individual perspective" is retarded.

That's like me saying "I think all Indian people should be exterminated", someone arguing against my view and me just saying "hey man it's just my opinion" :innocent:

[slimgrin]

Let Sympathy express his opinion, geez. I'm still somewhat critical of the whole multi-player bit, but I'm withholding judgment till I experience single player campaign.

Modifié par slimgrin, 16 octobre 2011 - 07:30 .

[Ruud333]

sympathyforsaren wrote...

It does apparently...Gears of War fans who want a Mass Gears are loving it. Me and others have had enough.

How does it break immersion? Through my perspective, that's how. It said you will be shooting waves of baddies, so I don't get how you think it'll be objective driven missions. What, an objective to capture the flag? Cover somebody while they hack? Lol. Give me a break.

I can't believe how the Gears crowd sabotaged Mass Effect. So frustrating.

Ok, just stating "through my perspective" does not explain how immersion is being broken.

I've had a quick look and the only quote I could find was "The way we have designed co-op as a way to take control of key conflict zones in the galaxy is a natural extension to the premise of Mass Effect 3".  So I admit nothing on objectives there, but it doesn't sound like it will be waves of enemies - where did you see that it would be?

[staindgrey]

alex90c wrote...

Then what I'm saying I guess is that your "individual perspective" is retarded.

That's like me saying "I think all Indian people should be exterminated", someone arguing against my view and me just saying "hey man it's just my opinion" :innocent:

Actually, it's... nothing like that... at all...

[Reaper Kitten of Doom]

Asari Sentinal!

Also hoping to see Quarians as playable characters.

[JeffZero]

sympathyforsaren wrote...
Thanks for your kindness...those were kind words and it means a lot to me.

Hey, I treasure the opportunity to really connect with my fellow forumites.

All I did was state an opinion and you sought me out and got sarcastic. Not tolerated.

Have some sympathy, would ya? I've been largely on the other end of the fence on this multiplayer announcement, not thrilled but not all taking it personally or even caring, really, for several days now and I keep seeing the same damn copy/pasted "curse you, BioWare! You have betrayed me!" everywhere I go. It gets old. I've been answering multiplayer concerns as best I can but inevitably I'll get kind of edgy.

Your "oh look, it's a thread clearly intended for discussing multiplayer in a positive light. I'm going to go in there with my own flavor of that copy/paste and talk about how terrible, just terrible, just world-endingly terrible, this all is. That'll learn 'em." is going to be a casualty here.

I wonder how long it'll take ME3 to get to $25. It might be a while, but I'm expecting a backlash ala DA2 after we see a watered down single player. We only have existing games to look at and analyze a logical inference founded upon reality as to what happens. I wonder if multiplayer will be as linear as singleplayer appears.

Single-player looks less linear than ME2 from where I'm standing. And I was fine with ME2, by the way. I know you weren't.

Modifié par JeffZero, 16 octobre 2011 - 07:45 .

[spirosz]

I'm basically going into the multiplayer with the mindset that this isn't just Shepard's fight, it's the whole galaxies. Millions of soldiers are going to try to prove themselves throughout the story and now we're getting a chance to be put through their perspective as well. Maybe there's a young Krogan out there trying to prove himself worthy of joining Urdnot and now I can "role-play" a Krogan who fits that role, while also focusing on the bigger picture; the Reapers are a threat to everyone. I understand that it's a horde mode, but I can still be creative while I play and not just focus on killing wave after wave.

[Barbarossa2010]

Ruud333 wrote...

sympathyforsaren wrote...

It does apparently...Gears of War fans who want a Mass Gears are loving it. Me and others have had enough.

How does it break immersion? Through my perspective, that's how. It said you will be shooting waves of baddies, so I don't get how you think it'll be objective driven missions. What, an objective to capture the flag? Cover somebody while they hack? Lol. Give me a break.

I can't believe how the Gears crowd sabotaged Mass Effect. So frustrating.

Ok, just stating "through my perspective" does not explain how immersion is being broken.

I've had a quick look and the only quote I could find was "The way we have designed co-op as a way to take control of key conflict zones in the galaxy is a natural extension to the premise of Mass Effect 3".  So I admit nothing on objectives there, but it doesn't sound like it will be waves of enemies - where did you see that it would be?

Yeah, I haven't seen that anywhere either, but keep hearing it repeated.  I see the co-op sections of ME3 more as mini-campaigns like HALO Reach or GOW3 campaign modes (Drop-in/drop-out; on the march objective-based) vs. survival modes (waves) like Horde in GOW or Zombies in Black Ops. 

[Jpersons]

I dont really play games online, i wouldnt mind, i might try it if its splitscreen
would give online a shot though seeing that its Mass Effect could be fun
Odds are im going to be an asari, dont know the class i'd choose yet
Cant wait 

Modifié par Jpersons, 16 octobre 2011 - 08:18 .

[AventuroLegendary]

So... "You can create a character and give them stats like DnD" is the idea I'm getting about this feature. I can see this giving Mass Effect more immersion and a lot of possibilities. Though, I would be more excited for Co-op than anything...

Modifié par LegendaryAvenger, 16 octobre 2011 - 08:18 .

[Barbarossa2010]

sympathyforsaren wrote...

It does apparently...Gears of War fans who want a Mass Gears are loving it. Me and others have had enough.

How does it break immersion? Through my perspective, that's how. It said you will be shooting waves of baddies, so I don't get how you think it'll be objective driven missions. What, an objective to capture the flag? Cover somebody while they hack? Lol. Give me a break.

I can't believe how the Gears crowd sabotaged Mass Effect. So frustrating.

Well, it could only break your immersion if you actually attempted to play it.  The good news is that you are under no obligation to play the co-op parts, and will not even be penalized if you forego them.  So whether immersion is broken or not (based on your perspective or not) is really sort of rendered moot if you co-opt out (pun intended), unless your argument is really covering some other disappointment, which appears is the case.

Oh, and as for the GOW crowd sabotaging ME, there's infinitely worse things than actually improving the gunplay, character movement, and cover system of ME.  Retaining pause combat and special power usage, as well as tools like adrenaline rush, and character interaction and dialogue are more than enough to keep the franchise a completely stand alone product, easily distinguishable from Gears of War. These changes work a helluva lot better in ME than they ever will in DA.

But, then again, that's just my perspective.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 16 octobre 2011 - 08:28 .

[Rockworm503]

All I'm going to say is that if all it takes to not get this game because it has a feature that wont in any way interfere with your singleplayer game then you were never going to get it in the first place.

[Darkfoxz87]

Turain: Solider

And AR not slowing time could be a drag but if they increase the damage or accuracy I will be fine with it.

[ErichHartmann]

I'll try multiplayer out of curiosity for a little bit but end up sticking to singleplayer only. I would be infinitely more active in multiplayer if competitive gameplay (deathmatches, team based objectives, etc.) were included.

[Barbarossa2010]

@Darkfoxz87 ,

Target assist is so heavy in modern day games, I doubt it will be an unconquerable challenge in ME3.

Instead of using a Widow or Mantis (Single shot, bolt action), you may want to go with the Insicor (three round burst), or Viper (semi-auto). That should even things out a bit. Turning the sensitivity down is always an option.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 16 octobre 2011 - 08:34 .