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[MegaBadExample]

I'm planning on giving it a whirl, though if it messes up the story, I'm throwing that b*tch out the window. I'm joking, I'll trade it in with a bad attitude and get half the money for it.

[Strephon Gentry]

I plan on trying it out instead of letting others formulate my opinion without knowing what I would actually consider fun..

That being said, a Krogan Vanguard would actually be fun

[Apollo Starflare]

I'm still extremely annoyed that they are holding back the Volus and Elcor for DLC but alas I shall make do.

Turian sentinel is a good bet for my first character, but I harbour a desire to play a Krogan infiltrator for giggles. A Salarian vanguard is tempting as well.

[Valdrane78]

I'll give it a try, but have yet to decide if I will play it along side the SP game, or do it afterwards. Got a couple people from here I would like to play it with, we'll see.

[SpaceinMind]

I will give it a chance, but I normally do not play multiplayer games. I have a friend that I could play it with.
I prefer a solitary gaming experience with rich RPG elements, so fingers crossed from Bioware to have the both in there.

[staindgrey]

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Wow. People get defensive when someone simply states their own opinion anti-multiplayer.

Not wasting any more of my time discussing this lame game. Mass Effect trilogy is ruined.

I cancelled my preorder. Just wanted to relay that to BioWare. So much more could've went into genuine singleplayer, not this tacked on abomination.

I'm sorry, but I feel the need to call you out on this:

I've responded to your posts with a levelheaded argument more than once, asking legitimate points about why multiplayer's inclusion elicits so much rage from you when you have yet to play it, don't HAVE to play it, and have no evidence that it actually detracts from the single player that you also have yet to play. Yet instead of ever replying to me or anyone else who's trying to be reasonable with you and hear your point of view, you only reply to people who are clearly being immature in their responses, just so you don't have to put any effort into your argument.

If you really cancelled your preorder and want to kiss ME goodbye and all that jazz, fine. Leave. But it certainly seems to me as though you're simply looking for attention, rather than a stable, intelligent discussion. If you truly are more of the former than the latter, then the community will benefit from losing you.


Sorry that came off as harsh, but I really felt the need to say it.

[Genshie]

Gatt9 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Wow. People get defensive when someone simply states their own opinion anti-multiplayer.

Not wasting any more of my time discussing this lame game. Mass Effect trilogy is ruined.

I cancelled my preorder. Just wanted to relay that to BioWare. So much more could've went into genuine singleplayer, not this tacked on abomination.

It is really funny how everything in this post is an assumption. How do you know it is tacked on? How do you know it is an abomination? How do you know it is a waste of resources? How do you know the ME, no correction, Shepard's trilogy (since this is most likely not the end of the ME franchise, just Shep's story) is ruined? Unless you have a time machine, work for Bioware, or have played it (and it they still have 5 months to work on polishing everything including SP) then nothing you have said is true or fact. I was against it as well but after being one of the first people to play the ME3 demo at Comic-Con (have proof), the video explanation and talking to people who actually have experience in this field I am giving this a chance to see where it goes. I still don't think it is a good idea but in the end we are stuck with this and can now only hope Bioware can take on this challenge with success.  I am not saying it is great either since that would me mimicing you on assuming that it would be good (or bad) which I have no proof that is or isn't.

Primarily because the purpose of Multiplayer is to sell Online Passes to used game buyers,  not improve the game.  People keep acting like it was put in for some other reason,  and that Bioware spent alot of time and energy thinking of a wonderful way of doing it.

They didn't.  EA told them to put it in,  and do it in such a way as to force people to buy Online Passes.  Which is why it's directly tied to the single player game,  instead of being optional backstory,  or an implementation like Fable 2.

The problem isn't the people who don't want it,  the problem is that people seem to think this was done for some reason other than to sell Online Pass.

Which,  I'd bet alot of money,  those very same people will be the first ones here flaming when they discover it's lame,  as shoehorned features meant to generate revenue rarely satisfy anyone.

Bethseda...Horse Armor...EA...Dead Space 2's forced DLC if you want everything on the disc you paid for...

Gaming would be in much better shape if people started recognizing marketing stuff when studios push it out instead of assuming that things are always done for good reasons.

 There was a recent interview that has several times over said EA is not at fault. And once again all this is only your oppinion and assumption. You have no proof and nothing to back you up to say that EA has any part of the descision to implement this in ME. You can only guess at the reasons. I am merely stating it how it is and that most of the people against multiplayer now have no clue on what they are talking about and have no solid evidence besides assumptions, guesses, and theories.

[Strephon Gentry]

Genshie wrote...

 I am merely stating it how it is and that most of the people against multiplayer now have no clue on what they are talking about and have no solid evidence besides assumptions, guesses, and theories.

Welcome to the forums. 

[Genshie]

Strephon Gentry wrote...

Genshie wrote...

 I am merely stating it how it is and that most of the people against multiplayer now have no clue on what they are talking about and have no solid evidence besides assumptions, guesses, and theories.

Welcome to the forums. 

I'now right? I am not saying that multiplayer is good since at the start of all this I was very much against it until it a little while after it was confrimed. I had to honestly think about it and look at the bigger picture. I even watched that pulse episode a few times. I accept that it is confirmed and there is really nothing I can say or do to stop it so I can only support it in hopes that it turns out well. We can only give input in the long run. (I hope they at least release a demo/beta for it since that is the new smart thing to do since Gears)

Modifié par Genshie, 17 octobre 2011 - 12:14 .

[Cutlass Jack]

I plan to spend hours in the character creator, savoring every option that wasn't available for Shepard, until I finally settle on a character I want to play. Then I'll log it in only to realize, the nose was off or something, and redo the face a few more times.

Once its finally perfect, I'll wait another hour, since my wife is still working on hers.

Finally we'll start playing co-op only to realize its just a handful of maps with nothing really interesting to do other than kill a bunch of random mobs with no real plot whatsoever. Then about 15 minutes later we'll be bored, sigh, and go back to the single player game.

[Xaijin]

4xKrogan vanguard has already been set up.

Still waiting on Geth.

[Rockworm503]

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Wow. People get defensive when someone simply states their own opinion anti-multiplayer.

Not wasting any more of my time discussing this lame game. Mass Effect trilogy is ruined.

I cancelled my preorder. Just wanted to relay that to BioWare. So much more could've went into genuine singleplayer, not this tacked on abomination.

You were never going to get this game in the first place and the more you talk like this the more I'm convinced your trolling just for the hell of it.
You are making baseless assumptions about the multiplayer.  You honestly believe that the simple addition of multiplayer has destroyed the series?  Give me a break.  you talk about the lack of maturity in others yet you are attacking the game for no reason.  Here's a capitol idea wait until the game is out before you decide its ruined.  Because right now your acting like a petulant child "NO NO NO I DON'T WANT MULTIPLAYER WHAAAAAAAA"

[Volus Warlord]

1.) ****** and Moan until I can fight as Volus

...

Profit!

[XyleJKH]

Ok, I will likely after two of my main shep playthroughs. Ps why do you guys keep feeding the troll that obviously has nothing better to do. just ignore him

[addiction21]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

I plan to spend hours in the character creator, savoring every option that wasn't available for Shepard, until I finally settle on a character I want to play. Then I'll log it in only to realize, the nose was off or something, and redo the face a few more times.

Once its finally perfect, I'll wait another hour, since my wife is still working on hers.

Finally we'll start playing co-op only to realize its just a handful of maps with nothing really interesting to do other than kill a bunch of random mobs with no real plot whatsoever. Then about 15 minutes later we'll be bored, sigh, and go back to the single player game.

But at least you got to spend hours playing with the faces !!

[DCopeland]

All depends on Origin.

[sympathyforsaren]

staindgrey wrote...

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Wow. People get defensive when someone simply states their own opinion anti-multiplayer.

Not wasting any more of my time discussing this lame game. Mass Effect trilogy is ruined.

I cancelled my preorder. Just wanted to relay that to BioWare. So much more could've went into genuine singleplayer, not this tacked on abomination.

I'm sorry, but I feel the need to call you out on this:

I've responded to your posts with a levelheaded argument more than once, asking legitimate points about why multiplayer's inclusion elicits so much rage from you when you have yet to play it, don't HAVE to play it, and have no evidence that it actually detracts from the single player that you also have yet to play. Yet instead of ever replying to me or anyone else who's trying to be reasonable with you and hear your point of view, you only reply to people who are clearly being immature in their responses, just so you don't have to put any effort into your argument.

If you really cancelled your preorder and want to kiss ME goodbye and all that jazz, fine. Leave. But it certainly seems to me as though you're simply looking for attention, rather than a stable, intelligent discussion. If you truly are more of the former than the latter, then the community will benefit from losing you.


Sorry that came off as harsh, but I really felt the need to say it.

Wow, you called me out, eh?

I would love to engage you legitimate, mature argumentation. Although, as I have stated before, many factors are based upon pure individual perception and viewpoints will be varying depending on how one analyzes it for themselves. In other words, basic objectivism.

My assertion is this: singleplayer is supposedly separate from multiplayer, but it is unknown whether or not it genuinely is? Will there be minute factors affecting it? Will multiplayer be able to be integrated seamlessly with Mass Effect 3, and if so, will it be Edmonton or Hudson's team that uses the time and the resources to seamlessly integrate everything into one nice, coherent game package? The two were developed separately, but whose combining the two together, and how much effort and resources have been used?

The Mass Effect IP is unfortunately becoming to much shooting in corridors in general, but it is still story-wise an rpg. A role-playing game. I am taking on the rile if Shepard to eliminate the galaxy if an ancient threat if magnificent power, with many other intricate plots and subplots intertwined. We are told that the story is Shepard's story, and that its a solely-focused story. Well, the integration of an alternative distorts that by merely existing. It says to the psyche....I'm doing this with Shepard, but it can be done without Shepard or any of his/her team. Why the Reapers are so fascinated with Shepard is fascinating, because there are these other folks running around in multiplayer doing exactly what Shepard is doing. Just that in itself takes a great deal, an awfully big deal, away from Shepard's specific characterization and implementation as the main protagonist in the storyline. And its felt immediately because I've been assuming that role....we all have.

I like the idea of creating a custom character from scratch...I have myself written that would be nice. But....for future games. Not here and now, and certainly not at the tail end of a trilogy when the gameplay weight of all choices and the story are reaching their climax for the series. Not when the climax of the entire series is approaching.

Sure, one can roleplay its a different part of the war going on. But its not the responsibility of anyone but Shepard to unite the galaxy....nobody else can. Or could, until now. Your Shepard just got degraded and less significant, correct?

And we were told the focus would all be on single player. But the sheer alternative that exists isn't a different ending to the game or a certain character dying or not....it is an alternative realty in the Mass Effect universe itself that establishes lore that Shepard wasn't needed to unite the galaxy, that others secured and accomplished some of the largest and most critical events in the history of the galaxy at the most dire time.

Furthermore, im not an achievement junkie. But there are those who are, and take satisfaction from obtaining all achievements in a game. If all achievements aren't in singleplayer....and i mean every single one...then multiplayer will have directly interfered with singleplayer and the singleplayer experience in that regard. I don't give it much weight, but there are those that do and will be furious if they discover not only can't they get all achievments, but they were lied to.

So, roleplaying as Shepard....the purpose of the Mass effect IP up until now... has been distinguished, as have achievements. Let's look to reality and actual games that currently exist on the market.

Gears of War has what many deem as good multiplayer, but with immensely short, poor campaigns with shoddy writing. Halo and Call of Duty have short campaigns with poor, shoddy writing. Multiplayer in Red Dead Redemption was tacked on and resources spent on that should have been used to make the excellent story and missions and world even more richer. I wonder how many more fun missions and side quests I could have done if capital and resources weren't used for the MP? Two Worlds II....that game got a hefty dose of various MP features, and that game could have gotten much more polish.

There is no empirical evidence that multiplayer does anything but impede singleplayer stories, and at the very least they always inhibit and hold the SP back from just that little bit more. There are a plethora of examples condemning MP and its effect....and previously established minimum effect, on SP.

It has zero place in ME3. Not at the most important time. But EA had to sell online passes.

But other than that, lets be real as well. FemShep is now plastic, the omniblade is an energy sword, the Atlas is a rip from Halo Wars, the narrow corridor shooting appears to be relentless, aliens are attacking Earth and the Reaper's characterization seems alto be dumbed down if things play out to form and we actually do confront and defeat them in head to head battle.

There is in general plenty wrong with ME3.

On another note: Where's the story at, BioWare? "We fight or we die, thats the plan!" Can we expect excellent writing like that throughout? Man, BioWare, you guys ruined my favorite franchise :/

[sympathyforsaren]

Rockworm503 wrote...

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Wow. People get defensive when someone simply states their own opinion anti-multiplayer.

Not wasting any more of my time discussing this lame game. Mass Effect trilogy is ruined.

I cancelled my preorder. Just wanted to relay that to BioWare. So much more could've went into genuine singleplayer, not this tacked on abomination.

You were never going to get this game in the first place and the more you talk like this the more I'm convinced your trolling just for the hell of it.
You are making baseless assumptions about the multiplayer.  You honestly believe that the simple addition of multiplayer has destroyed the series?  Give me a break.  you talk about the lack of maturity in others yet you are attacking the game for no reason.  Here's a capitol idea wait until the game is out before you decide its ruined.  Because right now your acting like a petulant child "NO NO NO I DON'T WANT MULTIPLAYER WHAAAAAAAA"

Again, don't like my opinions, those are tough cookies. I'm merely stating what many, many others have stated. The devs know there are a bunch of us not happy.

Deal with it.

[Gatt9]

Genshie wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Wow. People get defensive when someone simply states their own opinion anti-multiplayer.

Not wasting any more of my time discussing this lame game. Mass Effect trilogy is ruined.

I cancelled my preorder. Just wanted to relay that to BioWare. So much more could've went into genuine singleplayer, not this tacked on abomination.

It is really funny how everything in this post is an assumption. How do you know it is tacked on? How do you know it is an abomination? How do you know it is a waste of resources? How do you know the ME, no correction, Shepard's trilogy (since this is most likely not the end of the ME franchise, just Shep's story) is ruined? Unless you have a time machine, work for Bioware, or have played it (and it they still have 5 months to work on polishing everything including SP) then nothing you have said is true or fact. I was against it as well but after being one of the first people to play the ME3 demo at Comic-Con (have proof), the video explanation and talking to people who actually have experience in this field I am giving this a chance to see where it goes. I still don't think it is a good idea but in the end we are stuck with this and can now only hope Bioware can take on this challenge with success.  I am not saying it is great either since that would me mimicing you on assuming that it would be good (or bad) which I have no proof that is or isn't.

Primarily because the purpose of Multiplayer is to sell Online Passes to used game buyers,  not improve the game.  People keep acting like it was put in for some other reason,  and that Bioware spent alot of time and energy thinking of a wonderful way of doing it.

They didn't.  EA told them to put it in,  and do it in such a way as to force people to buy Online Passes.  Which is why it's directly tied to the single player game,  instead of being optional backstory,  or an implementation like Fable 2.

The problem isn't the people who don't want it,  the problem is that people seem to think this was done for some reason other than to sell Online Pass.

Which,  I'd bet alot of money,  those very same people will be the first ones here flaming when they discover it's lame,  as shoehorned features meant to generate revenue rarely satisfy anyone.

Bethseda...Horse Armor...EA...Dead Space 2's forced DLC if you want everything on the disc you paid for...

Gaming would be in much better shape if people started recognizing marketing stuff when studios push it out instead of assuming that things are always done for good reasons.

 There was a recent interview that has several times over said EA is not at fault. And once again all this is only your oppinion and assumption. You have no proof and nothing to back you up to say that EA has any part of the descision to implement this in ME. You can only guess at the reasons. I am merely stating it how it is and that most of the people against multiplayer now have no clue on what they are talking about and have no solid evidence besides assumptions, guesses, and theories.

1. Do you really think they're going to go on stage and say "Yeah,  it sucks,  but EA made us do it.",  I mean seriously?  Of course they're going to say "No,  no,  this was always our plan.".  You illustrate exactly what I mean when I say people need to quit reading marketing material and thinking there's any truth in it.

2.  It's not my opinion,  it is simply fact.  Live with it.  Mainly because you'll learn when the game releases and everything I've said is true.

3.  Nor is it assumption.  EA stressed very clearly in one of the pieces about how used gamers would have to buy a Online Pass.

4.  Plus,  considering it's setup as an impediment to the single player game instead of an optional feature,  there's only one reason for it.

5.  I have a very good clue about what I'm talking about.  I absolutely guarantee you I am correct.  And in March,  you'll be hating me even more.  But when that day comes,  what you really need to do is stop for a moment and realize...I'm the one who was protesting this bull when there was still time for a quality game to be made,  you chose to believe marketing material instead and claimed "I don't know what I'm talking about". 

Go read the marketing material again,  this time drop the "Bioware are gods!",  and read between the lines.  It's *really* obvious what the point of this is,  and exactly how it's setup to force used game buyers to pay them.

"If you do everything in the game,  and do really well at it,  then you won't need to do the multiplayer missions"

Go think about the meaning of that sentence for awhile,  and why that sentence is being stated.  Then think about Online Pass.

[AdmiralCheez]

Close-combat salarian and sniping krogan.

It will be glorious.

[JeffZero]

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Wow. People get defensive when someone simply states their own opinion anti-multiplayer.

Not wasting any more of my time discussing this lame game. Mass Effect trilogy is ruined.

I cancelled my preorder. Just wanted to relay that to BioWare. So much more could've went into genuine singleplayer, not this tacked on abomination.

You were never going to get this game in the first place and the more you talk like this the more I'm convinced your trolling just for the hell of it.
You are making baseless assumptions about the multiplayer.  You honestly believe that the simple addition of multiplayer has destroyed the series?  Give me a break.  you talk about the lack of maturity in others yet you are attacking the game for no reason.  Here's a capitol idea wait until the game is out before you decide its ruined.  Because right now your acting like a petulant child "NO NO NO I DON'T WANT MULTIPLAYER WHAAAAAAAA"

Again, don't like my opinions, those are tough cookies. I'm merely stating what many, many others have stated. The devs know there are a bunch of us not happy.

Deal with it.

I prefer my cookies soft. I'll take a dozen macadamia nut please.

[Yakko77]

I'll likely play as an engineer which is my favorite Shepard class but I don't know what species it'll be yet.

[shumworld]

I'll probably go online with my BF4L, but highly unlikely. Beyond that I see no point to go online and play other people's campaign.

[Genshie]

Gatt9 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Wow. People get defensive when someone simply states their own opinion anti-multiplayer.

Not wasting any more of my time discussing this lame game. Mass Effect trilogy is ruined.

I cancelled my preorder. Just wanted to relay that to BioWare. So much more could've went into genuine singleplayer, not this tacked on abomination.

It is really funny how everything in this post is an assumption. How do you know it is tacked on? How do you know it is an abomination? How do you know it is a waste of resources? How do you know the ME, no correction, Shepard's trilogy (since this is most likely not the end of the ME franchise, just Shep's story) is ruined? Unless you have a time machine, work for Bioware, or have played it (and it they still have 5 months to work on polishing everything including SP) then nothing you have said is true or fact. I was against it as well but after being one of the first people to play the ME3 demo at Comic-Con (have proof), the video explanation and talking to people who actually have experience in this field I am giving this a chance to see where it goes. I still don't think it is a good idea but in the end we are stuck with this and can now only hope Bioware can take on this challenge with success.  I am not saying it is great either since that would me mimicing you on assuming that it would be good (or bad) which I have no proof that is or isn't.

Primarily because the purpose of Multiplayer is to sell Online Passes to used game buyers,  not improve the game.  People keep acting like it was put in for some other reason,  and that Bioware spent alot of time and energy thinking of a wonderful way of doing it.

They didn't.  EA told them to put it in,  and do it in such a way as to force people to buy Online Passes.  Which is why it's directly tied to the single player game,  instead of being optional backstory,  or an implementation like Fable 2.

The problem isn't the people who don't want it,  the problem is that people seem to think this was done for some reason other than to sell Online Pass.

Which,  I'd bet alot of money,  those very same people will be the first ones here flaming when they discover it's lame,  as shoehorned features meant to generate revenue rarely satisfy anyone.

Bethseda...Horse Armor...EA...Dead Space 2's forced DLC if you want everything on the disc you paid for...

Gaming would be in much better shape if people started recognizing marketing stuff when studios push it out instead of assuming that things are always done for good reasons.

 There was a recent interview that has several times over said EA is not at fault. And once again all this is only your oppinion and assumption. You have no proof and nothing to back you up to say that EA has any part of the descision to implement this in ME. You can only guess at the reasons. I am merely stating it how it is and that most of the people against multiplayer now have no clue on what they are talking about and have no solid evidence besides assumptions, guesses, and theories.

1. Do you really think they're going to go on stage and say "Yeah,  it sucks,  but EA made us do it.",  I mean seriously?  Of course they're going to say "No,  no,  this was always our plan.".  You illustrate exactly what I mean when I say people need to quit reading marketing material and thinking there's any truth in it.

2.  It's not my opinion,  it is simply fact.  Live with it.  Mainly because you'll learn when the game releases and everything I've said is true.

3.  Nor is it assumption.  EA stressed very clearly in one of the pieces about how used gamers would have to buy a Online Pass.

4.  Plus,  considering it's setup as an impediment to the single player game instead of an optional feature,  there's only one reason for it.

5.  I have a very good clue about what I'm talking about.  I absolutely guarantee you I am correct.  And in March,  you'll be hating me even more.  But when that day comes,  what you really need to do is stop for a moment and realize...I'm the one who was protesting this bull when there was still time for a quality game to be made,  you chose to believe marketing material instead and claimed "I don't know what I'm talking about". 

Go read the marketing material again,  this time drop the "Bioware are gods!",  and read between the lines.  It's *really* obvious what the point of this is,  and exactly how it's setup to force used game buyers to pay them.

"If you do everything in the game,  and do really well at it,  then you won't need to do the multiplayer missions"

Go think about the meaning of that sentence for awhile,  and why that sentence is being stated.  Then think about Online Pass.

 How is everything you said not an assumption or an oppinion? There is no facts beyond what they have told us. The game is not even out yet so all you can do is make assumptions with what little info they have given us. You haven't played it at all. I bet you haven't even touched the demo of ME3. Unless you are God, work for Bioware, or own a time machine then please don't shove your negative views and tell me its fact when you have ZERO proof to back up your so called "facts". You don't know jack **** about ME3's multiplayer beyond what they have told us. And I will be the first to admit I am wrong if it does suck by March when it comes out but until then we can all only hope and assume what it will be like. I like Bioware and I hope they can pull something amazing out of ME3's SP and MP modes.

What is FACT is that the MP mode is in there and it is there to stay and if you don't like you have the choice to not play it and it will not effect your SP experience at all.

Modifié par Genshie, 17 octobre 2011 - 05:58 .

[Chapity]

Krogan vanguard. My boys have already come with a asari adept and turian infiltrator. We just need drell sentinal. As for the negatard Nancy crowd who is so convinced that ea is the death of all ip, GET OVER YOURSELF!!! You have absolutely nothing to do with this game. You neither designed it, wrote it, animated, nor programed any of it. You have no idea about the intent of the company in terms of multiplayer. You have no clue whether or not ea asked for multiplayer or not. You just assume wildly and throw out "facts" whilst upset that your precious sp storyline will be damaged because a game wants to evolve and grow the audience which makes you part of a group and not the edgy individual. Guess what, YOU ARE part of the group. You are as indy as an emo boy at a muse concert. You are on a SOCIAL site waxing philosophical about a game with thousands of other people who like it too. Get over yourself and just have fun. It's a game!!!!